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Post  kiwihands on Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:47 am

Or a mixture of both?



It comes from the palm edge just at the base of the thumb like a music loop, but goes all the way across and up Moon like an inspiration loop. The person with this print is a gifted musician, who by his own admission "has to compose music" in order to deal with emotional challenges that come up in his life. So both interpretations would fit ... Twisted Evil

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Post  Sari on Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:27 am

Hi,
Sorry, but I can't see a loop at all? The music loop is made up from the skin ridges, not creases. Did you mean something else? Or can you point out what you are referring to on the palm? Thanks.
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Post  kiwihands on Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:47 am

Thanks for your quick reply Sari, and sorry the photo isn't very good quality. Below a new version where I've marked the triradii in red and the innermost recurving ridge in blue. The loop has lots of rods inside it, which also makes it quite hard to see.



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Post  Sari on Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:58 am

Hi,
Thanks for that, but I think it's not forming an actual loop and that is just the shape formed by the triradii. That doesn't mean he is not musically talented though. There are many other indicators of that, one being the angle on the thumb.
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Post  kiwihands on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:58 pm

Hi Sari,
Thank you for your input. I'm not quite sure I understand though - would you mind explaining your criteria for classification of a loop in the palm? I was just going by the same criteria as for loops on fingertips, i.e. at least one recurving ridge line + a ridge count of at least one. This example here has (by my count - I might be wrong) 4 complete recurves and a ridge count of 7 when counting from the closer triradius.
Is it missing a different criterion that's necessary for palmar patterns?

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Post  Lynn on Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:48 pm

Thanks for drawing it in kiwi, because like sari, I couldn't see the loop. It seems an unusual pattern. I'm having problems viewing images again tonight so will have to wait until I can see it!

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Post  kiwihands on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:53 pm

Thanks for having a look at this Lynn. Yes, it IS very hard to see in the photo, especially because the 3 recurving ridges outside of the one I marked in blue seem to lie in a bit of a depression, so aren't clear in the pic; and also because the loop is filled with so many rods.

It's certainly an unusual print ... btw owned by the same person who has the tented arch/ radial falling loop print on his index. He's a special guy for sure!
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Re: inspiration or music loop?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:33 am

kiwihands wrote:


Yup, it's a proximal opening loop (featured with two triradii) - a.k.a. 'carpal loop' - which meets the palmistry-description of a typical 'loop of inspiration'.

It's not a 'loop of music' because that requires to be positioned on the mount of moon.

It is also not a 'parathenar pattern'.


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Post  Lynn on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:43 am

It's certainly an unusual print ... btw owned by the same person who has the tented arch/ radial falling loop print on his index. He's a special guy for sure!
maybe it'd be interesting if you can post his full hand....when I can view the pics again! not sure why I have this intermittent problem of not being able to view pictures Hopeless


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Post  Lynn on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:49 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:It's not a 'loop of music' because that requires to be positioned on the mount of moon.
?? Music loop is usually contained within Venus Mount.


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Post  kiwihands on Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:21 pm

Hi Lynn, I hope your computer troubles have sorted themselves out! How frustrating not being able to see pictures... well, in case it's all working again, here are my friend's complete hands. He is right-handed, 23 years old.

I'm confused about the formation towards the base of the right hand, too - what looks like two peaks, one inside the other, coming up underneath the life line. Have you got any ideas on that?















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Post  Lynn on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:52 pm

yes I can see pics again, thanks kiwi. But now I've forgotten why I asked! geek
I think I was just curious after seeing his 2 unusual prints.

(edit) Ps No sorry I don't know what those two peaks are. The top one looks like travel fork with that line from inside venus mount coming up to it.

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Re: inspiration or music loop?

Post  Patti on Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:11 pm

kiwihands wrote:Hi Lynn, I hope your computer troubles have sorted themselves out! How frustrating not being able to see pictures... well, in case it's all working again, here are my friend's complete hands. He is right-handed, 23 years old.

I'm confused about the formation towards the base of the right hand, too - what looks like two peaks, one inside the other, coming up underneath the life line. Have you got any ideas on that?




Fascinating how we can look at the same thing and associate it differently - at first when I checked the hand for peaks - I was thinking 'does she think he has two Neptune mounts?' and I was looking for something raised. Then I saw what looked like roofs at the bottom of the life line and thought 'oh those peaks'!

What I notice about these branches fanning out from the life line is that they are parallel to the ending of the head line. The extended head line branch is faded and somewhat weak, whereas the branches on the life line are strong.

The parallel nature ties them together in their indications. Where the mind goes, the body follows. Or, perhaps in this case the mind is trying to keep up with the energetic physical nature of this person. (maybe that adds to erratic - from the accidental fingerprint)

These deep branches cut through the inspiration loop pattern right where the pattern closes in together. In the sense of 'interaction between ridges and creases', I wonder if this cutting through so deeply creates a sort of 3rd triradial point (energy wise). If you study the print and the other two triradii, I think you will see what I mean. I'm wondering if this cutting through the pattern is an enhancing effect or a disturbing/blocking effect. I'm leaning toward it being enhancing.

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Post  Patti on Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:18 pm

Creases that rise up from the wrist, at the thenar area in particular, relate to urges and drives.

If this crease were to continue through the life line, it would have probably curved toward the percussion and become what I call a Star Trek line. Adds a love of, and the ability to handle, thrills among other things.

This energy instead of being blocked by the lifeline, is probably channeled into the life line and relates to the fanning out branches.

I think for this crease to stop at the life line, in this particular hand is a good thing. It adds a level of self-control. A deliberate and yet somewhat unconscious continuous safety check.

I think this person could get involved in work or play that has a sense of cutting edge danger to it, but has common sense or self control.
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Post  Lynn on Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:00 pm

I had wondered if this was a shorter version of your "Star Trek Line" Patti. "To boldly go....."

good explanation of it stopping at lifeline adding caution.

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Post  Patti on Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:30 pm

Lynn wrote:I had wondered if this was a shorter version of your "Star Trek Line" Patti. "To boldly go....."

good explanation of it stopping at lifeline adding caution.

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Post  kiwihands on Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:22 pm

Patti, what a brilliant analysis! Thank you! That whole area where creases rise up from the wrist around and inside the life line is still a bit of a mystery to me, but your explanation has shed a lot of light on it. (Relating to urges and drives)

I was wondering about the interaction between ridges of the loop and those creases, too. Hadn’t come to a conclusion yet, so it was great to read your views. I agree with the “3rd triradial point” and the enhancing effect. (Also thought “blocking” at first, but it’s not something I’ve seen in his life.)

I like the way you see the parallel nature of these lines with the ending of the head line – “Where the mind goes, the body follows.” It’s particularly pertinent with this guy, as this is something I’ve often heard him say in a different context: he is a talented free-style windsurfer and instructor, and one of the things he always told me when I was learning was “where you look, your body follows”. Just a coincidence, but your comment made me think of it.

Yes, very energetic, physical nature and a love of thrills for sure. Not sure about the “self-control”, but your comment on the “deliberate and yet somewhat unconscious continuous safety check” reminded me of a little story: 4 years back, my husband saved this guy’s life when they were out windsurfing and he broke his leg doing a particularly daring stunt. When we talked about it later on, marvelling at how “lucky” he was to have help nearby, he said he wouldn’t have done the jump if he hadn’t known that there was someone to rescue him in case it went wrong. Not a “conscious” thought for him, but still “deliberate”.

I think this person could get involved in work or play that has a sense of cutting edge danger to it, but has common sense or self control.
This is the description of his last job: he owned a windsurfing school. Unfortunately had to give it up due to changes in bylaws.

Excellent work Patti!!! Thumbs up!

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Post  Patti on Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:00 pm

kiwihands wrote:Patti, what a brilliant analysis! Thank you! That whole area where creases rise up from the wrist around and inside the life line is still a bit of a mystery to me, but your explanation has shed a lot of light on it. (Relating to urges and drives)

I was wondering about the interaction between ridges of the loop and those creases, too. Hadn’t come to a conclusion yet, so it was great to read your views. I agree with the “3rd triradial point” and the enhancing effect. (Also thought “blocking” at first, but it’s not something I’ve seen in his life.)

I like the way you see the parallel nature of these lines with the ending of the head line – “Where the mind goes, the body follows.” It’s particularly pertinent with this guy, as this is something I’ve often heard him say in a different context: he is a talented free-style windsurfer and instructor, and one of the things he always told me when I was learning was “where you look, your body follows”. Just a coincidence, but your comment made me think of it.

Yes, very energetic, physical nature and a love of thrills for sure. Not sure about the “self-control”, but your comment on the “deliberate and yet somewhat unconscious continuous safety check” reminded me of a little story: 4 years back, my husband saved this guy’s life when they were out windsurfing and he broke his leg doing a particularly daring stunt. When we talked about it later on, marvelling at how “lucky” he was to have help nearby, he said he wouldn’t have done the jump if he hadn’t known that there was someone to rescue him in case it went wrong. Not a “conscious” thought for him, but still “deliberate”.

I think this person could get involved in work or play that has a sense of cutting edge danger to it, but has common sense or self control.
This is the description of his last job: he owned a windsurfing school. Unfortunately had to give it up due to changes in bylaws.

Excellent work Patti!!! Thumbs up!

Awesome feedback Kiwi! Thank you!

I had to google windsurfing - since I live pretty far inland I wasn't exactly sure how it worked. Looks like the wind can really send you sailing.

http://vimeo.com/1748065

Found this video and went oh my gosh...

Pretty cutting edge and the word thrilling is probably weak, maybe something like wildly exhilarating. And you do this too? I am sooo jealous! (I rollerblade and have skiboards, but haven't skiboarded in a few years)
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Post  kiwihands on Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:49 am

Heehee, Patti, I used to rollerblade too! So much fun.

The video you found is ace! And exactly what great windsurfing should be ... Wildly exhilarating is the right word; it certainly blows out the cobwebs. Twisted Evil

Though I'm nowhere near as good as the guy in it - the only time I ever managed a jump off a wave like that, I just shot straight up into the air, stalled, and then fell in backwards like a fool. But mostly it's flat water sailing around here.

You should try if you're ever near a windsurfing spot on holiday... if you know how to skiboard, you're halfway there already - just add a sail! happy move

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