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Hutchinson Gilford Progeria and Palmistry !

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Hutchinson Gilford Progeria and Palmistry !

Post  FÄSŦŦÌMÉBÖY (ツ) on Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:47 am


Hi, Experts !

Does any one know which lines and signs in the palm are responsible for premature ageing or Hutchinson Gilford Progeria syndrome ( A rare genetic disorder). According to biology, The disease is caused due to shortening of DNA in all cells at every mitotic division. Is it possible to predict this disease using palmistry ?
Plz comment on this !

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Re: Hutchinson Gilford Progeria and Palmistry !

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:41 pm


Hello Fasttimeboy,

I am not sure what you exactly have in mind... but this article described some of the typical hand features for that syndrome:
http://medind.nic.in/ibn/t05/i4/ibnt05i4p459.pdf

Can you please inform use why you present this question about the extremely rare disorder, which usuallly manifests in caucasians only...?

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PS. Skin changes on the dorsal side of the hand + stubby fingertips are mentioned in the article.

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Re: Hutchinson Gilford Progeria and Palmistry !

Post  FÄSŦŦÌMÉBÖY (ツ) on Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:12 pm

Hi, Martijn !

Yes this disease is very rare and occurs 1 in 800,000 people. World wide 40 cases have been reported so far. Those born with this disease can live upto maximum 23 years. This disease is characterised by premature ageing symptoms (limited growth, alopecia, and a distinctive appearance (small face and jaw, pinched nose). I just gained interest in this subject thinking how the life line, health line or anyother signs in these patients palms will be manifested. Anyway, It is really difficult to get the palm pictures of these patients. It is possible to figure out the defects in the life line, health line or anyother bad signs in palms of progeria disease affected people once if we manage to get the hand pictures.

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Re: Hutchinson Gilford Progeria and Palmistry !

Post  Lynn on Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:29 pm

This article describes some hand features (& some pics) of children with progeria

http://www.progeriaresearch.org/assets/files/pdf/info_sheets/13_OccupTherapy_0410.pdf

•Wrists typically have limited dorsiflexion (bending upward)
•Some children’s thumbs do not go into carpometalcarpal (CMC) extension plane
•Most children’s thumbs are used with the thumb against the distal interphalangeal joint of the index finger (the joint closest to the tip of the finger)
•On occasion hyperextension of the thumbs’ interphalangeal joints (joint closest to the tip of the finger) is seen
•Metecarpalphalangeal joints most often have limited flexion (joints closest to the hand)
•Distal and proximal interphalangeal joints (the middle joint and the joint closest to the tip of the finger) tend to have flexion contractures
•Resorption of the distal phalangeals
•Distal phalangeals are often painful with pressure
•Decreased fat deposits within the hand (most notably at the thumb and finger tips)

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Post  FÄSŦŦÌMÉBÖY (ツ) on Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:42 pm


Hi, Lynn !

Thank you very much providing usefull information on this subject. I have seen hand pictures in the pdf. According to my observation, life line and heart line are very sparse or totally absent. May be these features could be usefull to predict this disease.

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Post  Lynn on Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:58 pm

FÄSŦŦÌMÉBÖY (ツ) wrote:
I have seen hand pictures in the pdf. According to my observation, life line and heart line are very sparse or totally absent. May be these features could be usefull to predict this disease.
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HI Fasttime, re "According to my observation, life line and heart line are very sparse or totally absent." If you are talking about the pictures in the pdf article that I posted, there is only one (unclear) picture where the palm is visible, and that is a child who does not have progeria. Wink

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Post  FÄSŦŦÌMÉBÖY (ツ) on Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:14 pm


Hi, Lynn !

I made blunder mistake. I didn't read the information under that picture. Its a comparsion between defective and normal hand. I jumped into a conclusion. ROFL Smile !

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:49 pm

Lynn wrote:This article describes some hand features (& some pics) of children with progeria

http://www.progeriaresearch.org/assets/files/pdf/info_sheets/13_OccupTherapy_0410.pdf

•Wrists typically have limited dorsiflexion (bending upward)
•Some children’s thumbs do not go into carpometalcarpal (CMC) extension plane
•Most children’s thumbs are used with the thumb against the distal interphalangeal joint of the index finger (the joint closest to the tip of the finger)
•On occasion hyperextension of the thumbs’ interphalangeal joints (joint closest to the tip of the finger) is seen
•Metecarpalphalangeal joints most often have limited flexion (joints closest to the hand)
•Distal and proximal interphalangeal joints (the middle joint and the joint closest to the tip of the finger) tend to have flexion contractures
•Resorption of the distal phalangeals
•Distal phalangeals are often painful with pressure
•Decreased fat deposits within the hand (most notably at the thumb and finger tips)

Thanks Lynn,

From my point of view that article shows that there are quite a few bone-related hand abnormalities seen in this syndrome.... because those are seen in the full body of these persons as well.

The hand line abnormalties as suggests/suspected by Fasttimeboy could very well be a RESULT of these bone-related abnormalties, etc.

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Post  Lynn on Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:36 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
The hand line abnormalties as suggests/suspected by Fasttimeboy could very well be a RESULT of these bone-related abnormalties, etc. wave

hi Martijn, Fasttime boy already realised that, when he mentioned the lines from the photo in the article, he was looking at the hand of a normal child. Smile

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:04 pm

Lynn wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
The hand line abnormalties as suggests/suspected by Fasttimeboy could very well be a RESULT of these bone-related abnormalties, etc. wave

hi Martijn, Fasttime boy already realised that, when he mentioned the lines from the photo in the article, he was looking at the hand of a normal child. Smile

... well Lynn, my comment was a new response to Fasttimeboy's very first message, where he associated this syndrome with palmistry (even before he studied the materials in the article that you mentioned).

But I still do not understand how he exactly developed an interest for this topic, therefore I added another thought just to suggest that observations about hand lines in other cases (beyond your article) should best be studied in the perspective of the fact that this syndrome is featured with quite a few hand abnormalities that go beyond the lines, etc.

Anyway... Thumb up


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Post  Lynn on Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:45 pm

ah sorry Martijn, I had misunderstood your comment. Smile

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