raja loop + interdigital whorls + unidentified print on thenar - how to read these?

Hi dermo experts - here is another interesting hand of a friend of mine! He is a rather unique individual, kitesurfing and windsurfing instructor (Patti, if you're reading this, google kitesurfing videos - even more crazy-looking sport than windsurfing ), and currently going through the application process of becoming a pilot in the airforce. As he has well-developed Raja loops in both hands, I have re-assured him that he should have the necessary leadership qualities required for a career in the airforce. What confuses me are the interdigital whorls and the patterns on the thenars.

1) The whorl in the humour loop area I have seen described as relating to sarcasm, but my friend has not a sarcastic bone in his body. Any other interpretations?

2) Also there seems to be an extra loop of humour sticking to the whorl in the left hand. How could we interpret this?

3) The ID whorl in the left hand seriousness area is actually shifted to sit nearly in the centre of the Apollo mount. Would that change the interpretation to something having to do more with luck, success, etc?

4) The thenar area is unclear to me - looks like loops of courage and music?

5) Just FYI his fingerprints are:
Right thumb ---> pinkie
Double loop whorl u. loop whorl whorl

Left thumb ---> pinkie
Double loop double loop u. loop peacock u. loop


Thanks in advance for your input!



left hand: raja loop and both interdigital whorls


left hand: close up of tiny loop next to ID whorl


left hand: thenar pattern?


right hand: raja loop, ID whorl, loop of seriousness


right hand: close up


right hand: thenar pattern

hi,
These are the exact markings I would expect to see on such an outgoing energetic person. In all the people I have know with the loop of humour, they do have a sense of humour (not necessarily sarcasm) and the main thing I noticed is that their love for life and fun can come before work, or that their job or career in life is something that they really love to do, nothing boring or menial for these types!

Wow Kiwi! Do you have his fingerprints, too?

Hi Sari and Patti, thanks for your quick replies!
Sari - so you wouldn't make a difference between Whorl of humour and loop of humour? Just more intense?
Patti, no I didn't take photos of his prints as they were pretty much picture book examples, had no problems identifying them. The only print where I wondered a bit was the double loop on his index, because of the location. But with double loops on both thumbs too, I guess not that unusual...

Thanks Kiwi! Another question, is he Jewish?

When there are two interdigital loops between the ring and little fingers, the one that tends to be closer to the ring finger (often bending under it) is referred to as relating to self-consciousness.

I would give a greater significance to the whorls vs. loops when found in the palms. Plus having so many complex patterns including what you said about the fingerprints would add the intensities. The patterns on the thenar mount can add to rhythm and timing - so I imagine he becomes 'one with' the energy of his sport.

The whorls could intensify his focus and concentration, as well.

Hmmm, not sure if he's Jewish, certainly not practising. I'll find out!

Very interesting about the second loop relating to self-consciousness - just like the sarcasm interpretation for the whorl that I read somewhere, this doesn't seem to fit at all. He's possibly the least self-concious person I know, often reminds me of a child at play and doesn't mind making a fool of himself in front of others.

Thank you for your comments about the palmar whorls, makes a lot of sense (more intensity rather than a different meaning), and the patterns on the thenar mount. I hadn't thought of rhythm and timing applying to sports, but you're so right. And yes, he does look like he becomes 'one with' his toys.

Cheers

kiwihands wrote:Hi Sari and Patti, thanks for your quick replies!
Sari - so you wouldn't make a difference between Whorl of humour and loop of humour? Just more intense?

I would say more intense, in the sense that he really gets enjoyment out of his hobbies and his hobbies are not quiet ones like stamp collecting..

But Richard Unger describes this whorl as part of life purpose being a 'heavily reluctant communicator' and it apparently slows down the expected life experience for the life purpose. I think what he means is that he will reach his ideal goals later in life than he would like, but of course this would be balanced by all his other indicators..

Thanks for your response Sari! I have to say, I'm so impressed by the way you make time to reply to each and every post on this forum ... so much energy. Thank you!


I'll have to think about Unger's description - seems to apply one one way but not another.
While this guy has no problems whatsoever with communication, it appears that he is reaching his ideal goals later in life than he would have liked. His dad and granddad having been in the Airforce, it was always his dream to be a pilot too, but was told he couldn't because of an ear problem when he was a child. Only now at the age of 30 has he had a second opinion and is finally going for it. So definitely a huge delay, but nothing to do with communication.

Kiwi said.. just like the sarcasm interpretation for the whorl that I read somewhere, this doesn't seem to fit at all.

My partner has the loop of seriousness and the loop of humour and our favorite thing to joke about is people's foibles. He's not sarcastic but will laugh at the most inopportune moments. I see it as seeing the absurdity in people's emotional hang-ups and nuances.
I would be interested in seeing his (the palm owner's) parents hands to see if they have similar markings. No pressure, just a comment.

zeblethai wrote:He's not sarcastic but will laugh at the most inopportune moments. I see it as seeing the absurdity in people's emotional hang-ups and nuances.

What an interesting comment Zeblethai! That's so funny, my friend also does this all the time. Laughing at inopportune moments and seeing the absurdity in people's hang-ups. There's nothing malicious in it (like there would be in sarcasm), but thinking about it - if the author of the book where I read this had, say, a vanity loop, I could see that it may come across as intending to wound. Cool, you solved the mystery!

Kiwihands said...What an interesting comment Zeblethai! That's so funny, my friend also does this all the time. Laughing at inopportune moments and seeing the absurdity in people's hang-ups. There's nothing malicious in it (like there would be in sarcasm), but thinking about it - if the author of the book where I read this had, say, a vanity loop, I could see that it may come across as intending to wound. Cool, you solved the mystery!

You are so right, Kiwihands, a Vanity loop would cause someone to look at his sense of humour from a different perspective.
I said earlier..

I would be interested in seeing his (the palm owner's) parents hands to see if they have similar markings

I would like to see his parents hands because my son and daughter both have these loops. My son, who is two, will laugh right in my face when I'm trying to tell him to stop doing something. It lightens my mood instantly. I wonder if his parents have similar markings because (as we all know we should do) looking to our parents in how to navigate our own personality and choices would help someone greatly. Sometimes we don't believe we're anything like our parents until we see it in their palms.

Ooops, sorry I overlooked that question. His parents are on the other side of the globe, so might not be easy to get their hands, but I'll ask him.

I fully agree with you regarding "Sometimes we don't believe we're anything like our parents until we see it in their palms." I recently got my parents to send me their palm pics and was astounded by how much we actually share. As you say, I understand them and myself a lot better now. Yay!

Kiwihands said.. I fully agree with you regarding "Sometimes we don't believe we're anything like our parents until we see it in their palms." I recently got my parents to send me their palm pics and was astounded by how much we actually share. As you say, I understand them and myself a lot better now. Yay!

We'll end up making the same mistakes (mistakes being a subjective judgement of course) as our parents did if we don't learn from them.
Sakyong Mipham says "Big mind conquers small mind". I think this relates to learning from our parents. If we have the knowledge of how their brain/mind/heart works then we can accept and love them regardless of whether or not they have a big or small mind. Small mind blames and puts down others but Big mind understands why they do this. That is why Palm reading is SO beneficial to others and ourselves (to point out the obvious).
I haven't looked at my fathers palm but I can almost guarantee that he has a low set finger of Mercury like myself I think he must have the loop of humour as well.

Well said Zeblethai!

kiwihands wrote:
Very interesting about the second loop relating to self-consciousness - just like the sarcasm interpretation for the whorl that I read somewhere, this doesn't seem to fit at all. He's possibly the least self-concious person I know, often reminds me of a child at play and doesn't mind making a fool of himself in front of others.

Hi Kiwi,
I had planned on responding to your comment a couple of days ago and then when the thread disappeared from the scrolling latest topics I forgot until just now.

When I describe self-consciousness or conscientiousness in regards to this loop between the ring and little fingers that slants under the ring, I tend to continue to describe it as a self awareness, and use one example of that feeling one gets in the back of their heads when they know someone behind them is staring at them. Maybe another way is to say they have good conscious communication with subconscious senses.

In some people with insecurities this self-consciousness can be described as embarrassment about themselves and nervous energy like fidgeting and nailbiting. In others that are more confident, it can add a heightened sense of one's environment and their physical, mental and emotional responses to that environment.

What reminded me about this conversation, I was just sitting under a shady tree in my backyard wading my way through Bruce Lipton's The Biology of Belief (which I think you said you've read) and came across this paragraph:

"Through self-consciousness, the mind can use the brain to generate "molecules of emotion" and override the system. While proper use of consciousness can bring health to an ailing body, inappropriate unconscious control of emotions can easily make a healthy body diseased, ..."

In Lipton's words (who was inspired by Candace Pert's Molecules of Emotion) I found support and confirmation to how I view this particular hand feature.

I think it can be applied to your friend in regards to his keen sense of self awareness in a multitude of ways, simultaneously, to become one with his environment (kite-surfing).

p.s.:
An afterthought...
This slanted loop pattern flows generally in the same location and general angle as the Passion line or part of the Girdle of Venus. These crease features already show a desire for physical pleasure and sensations. This might give more insight into the 'emotional/physical' response i.e. embarrassment, awkwardness to some and to others the thrill of being in front of an audience brings them fully alive and ready to perform.