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Post  cvashisht on Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:36 pm

I have a very strange line along with my lifeline (that originates from the moon mount and goes up to merge with lifeline, forming a fish kinda shape). Along with this, there 's no head line in either the left or right hand.
Can you please tell me what this signifies
Eagerly waiting!!

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  Sari on Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:03 pm

Your image is very blurry, but from what I see you have a head line which joins the heart line, not uncommon, a variant of a simian line. A clearer picture would let us see your life line and whether or not your head line is actually dipping down and touching the life line making the shape you describe. The life line does appear to reach out to mt.moon which shows your outgoing/ restless or travelling personality.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  pravin kumar on Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:31 am

Dear cvashisht,

Your heart line droops downwards and merges into the life line. Such a person is very trusting and always trusts the wrong persons in life. Short mercury finger with such a heart line shows you are not able to express your affections and hence have to go that extra yard to please others to get in return that love which is very difficult for you to get.

The head line is going down in a curve, fate line rises from the bottom and life line goes right across towards the edge of the mount of moon. Since the prints are not clear cannot comment in detail but this gives the Mount of Venus more are and a love for travel, adventure is indicated. If you post better pictures I will comment further. You are extremely sensitive by nature.

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Thanks :)

Post  cvashisht on Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:56 am

Hello Sari and Pravin Kumar ji,
Thanks a lot for taking a look into my hands!
yes u both are right, i m quite emotional and sensitive by nature. And, yes, i do have a passion for travel and adventure, although not getting much opportunities these days.
I am posting a few more pics of both right and left hands. Hope this helps in your analysis about my nature...and plz give a hint about future too (career/relationships), if possible.
Thanking in advance Smile
Here are the pics:
Right Hand

Left Hand

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  Sari on Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:48 am

Can you please tell us your age and whether you are left or right handed?

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Post  cvashisht on Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:56 am

hi Sari
I am 28, female, right-handed, un-married.

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Post  pravin kumar on Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:00 pm

Dear cvashisht,

You are 28 and there is deception indication in your palm at the age 28/29. Please post your side palm images to see the relationship lines clearly. The images should be sharp.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  Patti on Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:50 pm

pravin kumar wrote:Dear cvashisht,

You are 28 and there is deception indication in your palm at the age 28/29. Please post your side palm images to see the relationship lines clearly. The images should be sharp.

Pravin Kumar

Hi Pravin,

Could you share more details about "deception indication"?

Since we are looking at the hands of a person with deeply bending head lines (very creative and imaginative thinking) and agrees to be highly sensitive - it seems unkind to make an announcement of vague deceit and then ask for better images. I know I would be bothered and concerned during the delay between reading those words and uploading more images and waiting for a further reply. I could imagine all kinds of horrors that are probably totally overblown and unrelated to the 'deception indication' you casually refer to and my head lines do not curve nearly as much!

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  cvashisht on Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:24 pm

Pravin,
My question is the same as patti's... what kind of deceit/deception are you trying to tell me? I had a relationship at 26/27 that broke. I turned 28 last month only.
And could anyone here plz throw some light on my career as well? I had a fantastic career earlier, but it deteriorated and now i m trying to stabilize a bit.. Will I ever shine back like I did earlier?
Thanks!

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  pravin kumar on Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:34 am

Dear Patti and Cvashisht,

Patti wrote:
pravin kumar wrote:Dear cvashisht,

You are 28 and there is deception indication in your palm at the age 28/29. Please post your side palm images to see the relationship lines clearly. The images should be sharp.

Pravin Kumar

Hi Pravin,

Could you share more details about "deception indication"?

Since we are looking at the hands of a person with deeply bending head lines (very creative and imaginative thinking) and agrees to be highly sensitive - it seems unkind to make an announcement of vague deceit and then ask for better images. I know I would be bothered and concerned during the delay between reading those words and uploading more images and waiting for a further reply. I could imagine all kinds of horrors that are probably totally overblown and unrelated to the 'deception indication' you casually refer to and my head lines do not curve nearly as much!

Whenever a branch from heart line curves downwards it is deception, whether broken personal relationship or from friends can be confirmed from relationship lines. Curving branches from heart line if cutting the fate line then deception results in monetary loss too, if it cuts the head line then mental tension is added and if it cuts the life line then the person suffers to an extent that he/she would like to kill the person who deceived him/her. The only thing missing is the red blood and strong thumb with will power phalange to be prominent and if murderer's thumb then he/she would definitely do it. If curved branch of heart line is cut by an influence line then broken engagement/marriage. I have hundred's of confirmation of this. In fact I specialise more on personal relationship which is also linked to the fate line and life line, specially in the case of women who are much more sensitive then men.

My calculation of the age might be slightly off target but you find the response from cvashisht that she had a broken relationship at 26/27. I wanted to see the relationship line clearly to confirm this. A line falling in palmistry is negative and a line rising in palmistry is profitable. Lines rising from life line at different points indicates best years of life. Lines rising from head line, (fate or sun) will indicate again beneficial results. Lines rising from rascate towards Saturn Finger or Apollo Finger is also very beneficial. Lines curving up from head line also brings more money, lines rising from heart line towards saturn (love marriage being one of them) finger and also towards Jupitor or Apollo or Mercury is also beneficial. You can go on and on. Lines rising from Upper Mars Mount going in a curve to Saturn Finger or Apollo Finger is one of the best indications in the palm to be confirmed elsewhere in the palm to see its effect on other lines and also the mounts.

Lines rising on the relationship lines indicates kids (again a positive sign), Lines rising up from the relationship lines towards apollo finger is again positive. So I follow these rising lines whenever I see them. Lines curving downwards from head line towards life line shows at times bad company who pull down your (brain) mental thinking with confirmation elsewhere. Vertical lines are good and falling lines are thus negative indications.

Please correct me if I am wrong but in my experience I have got many successful reading of such heart lines.

I have an interesting palms of lady from Australia. She has the best of the right palm, good fate line in middle life and sun line coming up late in life. She is doing very well in carrier and even her heart line does not show any serious problems but in her left palm (passive palm) she has too many worry lines. I read her palm professionally and to this day, since last 3 months I am getting her phone calls for the last 3 months as she is divorced and she wants her husband back.all this with positive indications in the active palm. This worrying tendency will result in her life energy depleting in the next 10 years and I have warned against worrying so much for what you cannot do. You cannot change others but you can change yourself and that will have the effect on others. If you give me your email I can forward her palm images to you for study (I do not know how to post the palm images in the forum. I can only forward it to any other email ID).

If there is any negative indication in the palm I find it my duty to give a slight hint and even warn and also guide them how to avoid it. I have already given feedbacks of 3 clients, posted elsewhere, in this forum, how systematically, if they meditate they can come up in life and they did. A boy, who did the same meditation course which I did in 1993, got his middle finger totally detached from palm due to some freak accident. He had just done the course. He went to the Doctor, Surgeon, with the broken finger and requested him to attach it. I do not know the details but the Doctor attached it. Doctor did say it is of no use but this boy, through meditation and programming positively got the finger fully operational within 3 months and the blood flows normally through the body to the finger and back. There are so many other miracles that have happened through meditation that I concentrate less on palm reading but more on guiding the person, through my personal experience, to come up in life.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  cvashisht on Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:09 am

Hi Pravin/Sari/Patti
My heart line in the right hand, is forming a fork kind of shape...one of the branch is going down..while one of them is upwards....what could that mean?
and anything about my career/married life? Any more breakups?
Thanks n regards..

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  pravin kumar on Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:17 am

Dear cvashisht,

You have a short thumb, Mount of Venus is prominent with Pinkish colour seen on the bulging Mount of Venus. Add to this the heart line with a drooping line going across to the head line will indicate you want love and you do everything to get love in return but it is not forthcoming. You think from the heart because of the short thumb. The deception I said is now over and you have now to get over it. Now I want go into much detail. I always believe Meditation helps you in first making your mind and heart stable. You will be able to act and react best after you regularly meditate for a certain time limit. Your mind will not run here and there negatively. So why not buy some good book on Thought Power or Mind Control, read it and practise it.

What the mind can do? I saw in Guiness Book of Record holder on T.V. a man stretching out his tongue and another person poured hot melted Iron ore on his tongue. It was over 500 or 600 degrees hot. The person kept it there for some 5 seconds and then spat out carefully. When the melted iron dropped down on the floor it made its impact there but nothing happened to this person. Why? He explained, when he was asked this question, that he has practised to go into Alpha Level instantly and at that level you get HIS powers. In fact it is HE who protects you and another of explaining is when you go into Alpha Level you get energy drawing it from the Centre of the Universe and this energy is in the form of Blue, Yellow, White light and this has the power that I have explained above. Whenever you want to heal anyone you use this energy. Whenever you want to be protected in any relationship you use this energy. In fact when you practise meditation regularly you are already protected and you are a changed person totally.

After doing the above you will never ask the question about your fate, career or personal relationship or anything else. It is easier said than done but to achieve something great you have to work on it.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  cvashisht on Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:31 am

Thanks for such a detailed post Pravin ji
To be very honest, I am quite spiritual and already do meditation. I'l check the book you mentioned for sure Smile
But, I am still curious to know what's gonna happen in the future ? At least some idea, about how my career would be and married life? I have to soon make a decision about my marriage, that's why worried..I am an Indian..Is there any chance of finding the groom myself or will i have to depend on my parents for that? Please reply if possible.. thanks Smile

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  pravin kumar on Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:48 am

Dear cvashist,

Are you by nature independent thinker and person full of energy. You decide to do what you want to and are quite impulsive? If so then some chances of love marriage. There is another indication but it is very light. Fate line starts dimly from above the heart line. I cannot be sure of this. If a short line starts from below the Saturn Finger but from above the Heart Line and going upwards then I always say that you will find the man, introduce him to your parents and you will marry the same person.

This is nothing to do with palmistry and I hope moderators will not object to this but this will be beneficial to you and others in similar situation. When you meditate regularly what happens? I give you my experience.

One night I was meditating as usual in Gauhati. Next day I had to catch a flight from Gauhati to Kolkatta and from Kolkatta to Bombay. In my meditation I saw great turbulence in the Plane I was sitting while meditating. We are taught, that in such a situation, to cancel the programme. I did not cancel the programme but boarded the flight next day, in the afternoon at about 12 noon. It was bright sunshine outside. After being served with lunch, which took about 30 minutes, there was a sudden announcement from the Captain in a frightened urgent voice. He asked us to fasten the seat belt, airhostesses ran here and there scared, and you can imagine our plight. It was dark outside. I cannot describe the condition of the plane and the passengers inside. The plane was as if being tossed here and there and life inside was hell. I silently observed everyone praying. In such a situation I was sitting calmly. No fear inside. This went on for 10 full minutes, where every second is equal to a minute. Once you are in constant fear you get used to it and one can only await the outcome and wish for the best. I then drew a Psychic Ring (Laxman Rekha) round the plane. After 10 full minutes the plane came out of this situation and everyone were relieved.

When you really meditate regularly there is no fear in your mind. Why then do you ask the question what will happen to you and when? This will come automatically and it will be the boy who will contact you or there maybe some coincidence where both of you meet and come closer to each other.

I give you another example. One person was looking for a boy for his daughter, who was only 4 feet tall. You can imagine how difficult it is to get a boy for such a short girl. He was the follower of our Sadguru. He tried his best for 2 full years and then he wept in front of the Photograph of our Sadguru. The next moment he received a call from another town where his brother in law stayed. He was told to come with his girl as soon as possible to see the boy. The boy was shown the snap of the girl and given all the background and the boy was ready to marry the girl. The marriage materialised and they are now both very happy. Why do such things happen. If you meditate or you are in a very high spiritual company then things materialise as if a miracle has occured.

I can quote you many such true incidents but then this forum is not for that purpose. Here we talk about palmistry and when I find a person in pain I have to do my bit besides reading the palms. I can tell you for sure, though others may not believe me, if you lay your faith in HIM HE is bound to take care of you. But what happens when we try ourselves? It takes time. You leave it to HIM and do your Karma. Rest follows . Your faith in HIM should be total.

God Bless Your.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  cvashisht on Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:39 am

Thanks Pravin ji..U seem to be a very nice, knowledgeable and wise person Razz Razz
Yes, I am an independent thinker and take most of the decisions myself.. but marriage is something i m not able to make up my mind for. Neither m i insisting my parents to find for me, nor me myself doing any karma for it. I think too impractically in this matter. I just assume that if it has to happen, it wil happen.
And the kind of meditation ur talking about sir, I think it will take me a lot of years to reach up that level. But, nevertheless, I am trying and hopefully, will reach that level sometime Smile
Thanks.
And yes, my fate line starts from somewhere in the middle of the palm..crossing lifeline,,and then heartline and reaches just below the saturn finger.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  pravin kumar on Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:12 pm

Dear Cvashisht,

I read palm of a girl of 24. This girls family is know to us since last 50 years. They are well reputed, rich, famous and what not. I told her she will get married at 27. She did not marry at that age. Her family and she also got worried a lot. Every time once in 3/4 months they would ask me. I wondered why did the reading go wrong. I predicted her younger brother that he will have love marriage and get married next year i.e. in the 29th year (He was younger to his sister by 2 years). The boy simply smiled and said he had a girl friend and was just waiting for his elder sister to get married and then he will marry his GF. The very next year when he was 29 years old, his elder sister asked his younger to marry without worrying about her marriage. She ultimately got married at the age of 34 (I predicted this through intuition only) and got a gem of a boy.

What I want to say that there are certain circumstances in a person's life which come in the way of selecting the boy or the girl. Since the background of this family is such that they are not bound to marry below their status it took a long long time for the girl to get married. Now another girl in their family, who is now 34, is still awaiting her marriage. So when your time comes, you too will get married being tense free will result in your inner conscious guiding you. There is a voice that speaks from inside if you really listen to it carefully. This is the voice that never goes wrong once you are able to recognise it perfectly. Only 4 years of regular meditation got me where I was then so if you do meditate rremember to give up yourself totally and then you will start getting your answers.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  cvashisht on Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:42 pm

Can anyone please tell me which is the line along with my lifeline in the right hand...? below the life line ?

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  Lynn on Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:41 am

hello cvashisht
You said "there 's no head line in either the left or right hand."

I can clearly see a headline on your left hand. Can you please add some clearer pictures (the new ones you posted on your other thread are not much clearer) to see exactly what is happening in the lines on your right hand, thanks.

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  FÄSŦŦÌMÉBÖY (ツ) on Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:01 pm


Hi, Cvsisht !

Your life line and supporting line under it seems like they are forming a bow !
I'm not sure abt this and i have no idea wht's the significance of bow in palm ! And also there is a mole on venus mount on left palm ! Its not good for relationships - Another indication !

FASTTIMEBOY !

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Meditaiton is the second last stage of Yoga

Post  Ramann on Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:40 pm

"Only 4 years of regular meditation got me where I was then so if you do meditate remember to give up yourself totally and then you will start getting your answers"

Dear Mr Pravin,

Please refer to your above comment on meditation although offbeat to this forum and to the ongoing discussion which I did not capture fully.My only intention is to seek your advice on the form of meditaion that you are mentioning.
[i]I have assumed herein that Indian Yoga is mentioned in your post[/i]
Classical texts and for that matter any basic theory of Yoga tells that there are eight limbs of yoga namely Yam, Niyam Asan, Pranayam, Pratyahar, Dharna, Dhyan and Samadhi.Refer to the Iyenger method in particular or the Astanga Yoga.

Dhyan which I guess you refer to is the 7th stage of Yoga as mentioned in the classical texts and I dont know if the earlier 6 stages are already crossed.

With my limited mental faculties I have met some Yogis in remote Himalayas and in Metropolitan Cities like Mumbai.And all are of the view that the first 6 stages have to be crossed to be in the Dhyana Stage or what you call meditation.

Take YAM the first stage of Yoga.And sub to it Ahimsa and Satya in thought,actions etc..I leave the others under the subsection of Yam..Even if we can follow these in our lifetime our actions are changed and we are a totally different personality.
So Meditaion is the second last stage which is a rarity in todays world for anyone to practice.

Excuses from forum members for this offbeat clarification sought but self would be happy to know if some opinions are thrown in the present context.
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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  FÄSŦŦÌMÉBÖY (ツ) on Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:13 am

<P>Hi, Cvashisht !<BR><BR>Can anyone please tell me which is the line along with my lifeline in the right hand...? below the life line ? Information below supported with picture will tell you the answer for your question ! <BR><BR><U>Influence Lines:</U><BR></P>
<P>Influence Lines represent people who influence the life of a person. The two primary types of influence lines are those that emanate from the family ring at the base of the thumb and those from the feminine mount. The lines under the thumb are usually family members, and may also be relatives or friends. Influence Lines from the feminine mount represent strangers entering the life and may often be associated with the Right Woman. Sister lines which run in parallel with the Line of Life represent helping hands and support. The closer the sister line to the Life Line the closer and greater the help. Parents are quite often represented as sister lines. A bow represents an especially strong support. The length of the relationship can be measured from time along the Life Line. <FONT color=red>A bow on the left hand represents a relationship with the father, and a bow on the right hand represents a relationship with the mother.</FONT> </P>
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<P>FASTTIMEBOY !</P>
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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  cvashisht on Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:21 am

Hi Fasttimeboy,
Thanks a lot for seeing my hands and replying to my query. These are a little sharper images of my hands, you can see them as well. And yes, I did have relationship problems and I've always had the support of my family with me, specially my parents. It is becoz of them, I guess, that I've been able to overcome many tragedies in my life.
Regarding the mole in the left hand, I wanted to tell you that though my left hand is the passive one, yet this mole emerged only in October 2008. There was none before. Isn't it strange considering that it's generally believed that the lines on the passive hands don't change..?



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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  Patti on Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:38 am

cvashisht wrote:Hi Fasttimeboy,
Thanks a lot for seeing my hands and replying to my query. These are a little sharper images of my hands, you can see them as well. And yes, I did have relationship problems and I've always had the support of my family with me, specially my parents. It is becoz of them, I guess, that I've been able to overcome many tragedies in my life.
Regarding the mole in the left hand, I wanted to tell you that though my left hand is the passive one, yet this mole emerged only in October 2008. There was none before. Isn't it strange considering that it's generally believed that the lines on the passive hands don't change..?



It isn't strange at all that the markings in your non dominant hand have changed. Actually the non-dominant hand has the most fine lines and fine lines are known to come and go.

This last photo is the best one you've uploaded! Thumbs up!

Earlier you mentioned that you were very independent. I find it difficult to find strong markings that I would see as independence. You do hold your hands in a very self confident way and you have features that show a high self esteem.

Yet, your head lines are strongly attached to the life line in both hands.



In your left hand above, your head line makes several new starts. These are noticible as you follow the life line down until finally the head line moves out flowing at first parallel to the heart line above and then slanting down.

I would interpret that as a style of 'hesitance'. In life, you take a step forward, then stop and hesitate, then you start again and so on until you feel you have approval of those around you.

The reason I added the need for approval is because when the head line breaks away from the life line after being connected for a distance, it shows a need for a sense of belonging and strong support.

You have said that your parents have given you very strong support that you appreciate. This to me confirms that closeness.

In your right hand, the head line flows and sweeps downward to run close to the lifeline. This line merges with a possible fate/career line. At the least, it moves into territory most typically influencing ones productivity. Mind and work connect. This would mean to me you enjoy work that uses your mind. You like to 'think' your work.

As an example of 'thinking your work' is like us here reading hands, we think as we interpret making adjustments and decisions in the moment based on what is in front of us.

This head line is also running parallel to your life line and is stronger than your life line. This indicates to me that you put a lot of life energy (personality) into your work.

The branch that moves outward toward the percussion shows a love of getting away and wanting to add change to your life. It can be a desire to travel, it can also be just wanting to do work that influences a large group of people or communities as well as travel and work mixed together.

That same branch from the life line in the right hand joins/blends with the head line and moves outward. This now combines the life line, the head line and the fate line as it moves outward.

I would sum all of this up with you have a strong desire to accomplish something in your life that could make a difference in people's lives beyond your own personal world.

But sometimes you lack something needed to push yourself to take action. I'd compare your style in a way to imagining you have decided to take sky diving lessons Wink and you really, really want to do it. Now that you are up in the plane all geared up and prepared to go, you hesitate and think about a number of various possibilities. You seek out advice and encouragement. Maybe then you go ahead and take the leap and maybe sometimes someone has to gently give you a little nudge.

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Thanks Patti :)

Post  cvashisht on Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:40 am

Thanks Patti for your time and such a detailed review of my hands Smile
Honestly, I never thought we can learn so much about somebody's personality and life with the help of palmistry. At least, in my case, i never thought so. But, I am really startled by your analysis coz' you're just bang on!! Smile
I always like to take all my decisions myself. I start also, with a bang, but somewhere down the road, I tend to lose confidence if I don't receive the desired response or motivation. Sometimes, if I can hold myself and keep moving on, I succeed. But even after that, I m often easily bored and look for a change always. I once decided to be a radio jockey, (although i had studied science), coz I thought I speak well and wanted to get popular too, n after some struggle, I got the opportunity also, and finally, realized my dream (then). However, after two - three years, I left the job as I was bored.
And yes, TRAVEL always excites me. I hate the jobs that require me to sit all day at one place. I do travel for work. I report for a magazine as a freelancer.
However, these days, I am once again confused, for about two years back, I had started something on my own, although I am still running it, but that didn't bring me any good results. I am kinda stretching it unnecessarily and want to start either something afresh or look for some good job. There are many other possibilities that I have in my mind but as I said, I am totally confused right now.
U r right, the crux is that I want to do something big in life. Something that involves people, the masses...and honestly, I want to be able to reach a position wherein I can provide employment opportunities to others through my work and add my bit to the society. But, having the desire alone isn't enough, right amount of motivation and luck is also needed. Do I have that? Do you think I'll be successful and attain stability in my work ever?. (Now I want to do just one thing for the entire life Sad ).... N anything about relationships?
Thanks once again! Smile Smile

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Re: Strange line in the right hand and no head line

Post  Patti on Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:57 am

Thanks!

Thank you for the excellent feedback!! It adds even more insight and understanding in the interpretation of creases like yours. Thumbs up!

I'll try to write more tomorrow - it's almost 3 a.m. here and I need to Sleep soon.

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