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VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  cshahar on Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:48 am

Just curious if anyone has ever looked at the hands of Hitler? I read somewhere that Hitler's index finger was longer than his middle finger. But looking at some archival photos, it is obvious that at least for his right hand, his ring finger is prominent, whereas his index finger seems relatively short. It is hard to calculate the ratio between the two but it looks like D2:D4 is lower than average. I have not seen a clear picture of his left hand.

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:27 pm

Hi Charles,

Thank you for your 'famous hand' request!

Yes, I think far most photos confirm that Hitler had a (slightly) below average '2D:4D digit ratio'.

But there is also a (left) hand print available - presented as Hitler's hand - which does show a relatively long index finger and a short finger finger. I'll present it at the bottom of this post... for I dare to question the authenticy of that hand print.

(Unfortunately I can not find any picture of Hitler's LEFT hand... which is really necessary to confirm or reject the authenticity of the hand print)

PS. I am aware that there a even better photos available (we collected some of them at the former PI forum), I have contacted Manfred from Germany to share some of his collection.


Anyway, below follow few 'authentic' photo impressions from Hitler's right hand (all prove that in his right hand the ring finger is for sure longer than the index finger - especially the first one):








A few more smaller photos are available here:
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler50.htm
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler6.htm
http://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events/9081f51914bc3ceb6da27a935c4b2544.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Hitler_1928_crop.jpg


The handprint (of which I question the authenticity - actually one could even question if it is a handprint ... or maybe a photo copy??? - Then it would actually relate to Hitler's right hand, and as consequence the handprint should be rejected) is e.g. discussed in an article by 'psychic' Anthony Carr:
http://www.anthonycarrpsychic.com/newspapers/binLaden_01.pdf



For example, another indication that this is probably not Hitler's hand... where is the 'long, strong pinky finger'? And where is the 'strong mount of Venus'? For, these are typical characteristics in all photos of Hitler's hands...!!!


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Hitler's hand

Post  cshahar on Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:14 pm

Fascinating. I would like to see better images for sure. I wonder what the provenance of the left handed image is? Interestingly, Hitler was into the occult. He was an avowed vegetarian, and there has been ample evidence to suggest that he had a fascination with occult subjects.

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:37 pm

Charles, I think I remember that the 'handprint' came from a book - but I am not sure. Can any of the former PI members remember where it came from?

(Again, I am not sure that it actually is a handprint... if it is a photocopy, then it is a right hand)

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:45 pm

The image you've uploaded is from Josef Ranald "How to Know People by their Hands".

The image in the book is much sharper - you can see some fine lines.

I'll scan it shortly and upload. I think there is some controversy as to its authenticity.

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Post  Patti on Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:04 pm

reversed


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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:26 pm

Patti wrote:The image you've uploaded is from Josef Ranald "How to Know People by their Hands".

The image in the book is much sharper - you can see some fine lines.

I'll scan it shortly and upload. I think there is some controversy as to its authenticity.

Patti
Thanks Patti!! Thumbs up!

By the way, can you tell us ... is it a print of his right hand? The hand print indicates that it does concern his right hand, but now I am far less sceptical regarding the authenticity.

(Such a pitty that the author has 'signed' some marks ... even in the high resolution pictures we can hardly see the difference between those marks, and the true lines. However, in the high resolution picture the ring finger appears to be a bit longer than the index finger, and the pinky finger appears to be much longer than indicated by the sample in article that I mentioned. So, now I am much more inclined to treat it as an authentic handprint... :\m/: )

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:07 pm

I think it's his right hand.

In the back of the book there are several pages that have been coated with some kind of pink solution with instructions to mix soda (baking etc) with glycerine or soapy water and dampen the hands and then press against the page.

So the print is made similar to old soot prints - rather than inking the hand - the hand removes the coating when lifted.

His instructions also call for printing the right hand.

That would be awesome if you could identify this print as authentic through hand measurements. I don't think it's been done.

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:41 pm

Okay, thanks again Patti.

I think the following picture should also become helpfull to check the details (though obviously it's not sharp either):


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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:28 am

There's a visible extra crease in the photo above on the index finger same as in the print.

Middle finger bends in a way to reflect the lighter extra creases of the middle finger.

Shape of palm matches, too.

Andrew Fitzherbert speaks of Ranald's work like it's a bad taste in his mouth and cast the doubt on the authenticity of this being Hitler. His only real reason to cast this doubt seems to be Ranald's liberal use of Chiero, Benham and Jaquin's work. But, until recently who didn't rewrite Benham or Chiero?

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  anu_d on Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:10 am

there appear hand-drawn crosses a star and an island on the hand-print of hitler.

It would have been better if the print was left without the hand written marks.

Also the print DOES NOT appear to be the same hand as the photo....the sun finger is MUCH longer in the picture...even if we make allowances for the angle of the photo and the slight incline of the fingers.

The hand ( in photo) falls in the same category as ShahRukh Khan and Elton John type celebrities.......fuelled by the energy of the over developed padded mounts.

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Manfred on Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:53 am

.....sorry only a telegramme here:

My opinion is:
That print is a fake. We´ve discussed it in Sue´s forum before.
Andrew Fitzherbert wrote about the book the print is in in his "Palmist´s Companion".

His opinion is that the prints in there are fakes.

I´ve made another statement in :

Look at my http://palmistry.iforums.us/adolph-hitlers-dna-reveals-jewish-ancestry-vt170.html

Regars
Manfred

ps. Martijn: I´ve stored my Hitler fotos and I´ll put they in here not too far.


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:28 am

Hi Manfred,

Thank you for your comment. Can you also share more details about Fitzherbert's statement?

For example, one could wonder: how many photos has Fitzherbert seen of Hitler's hands?

By the way, I think the 'double hand gesture' photo does present a few clues on the hand lines (curve in fate line, strong deep sun line, head line connected to life line, knick in the curve of the life line when the head line is connected) that the handprint can be authentic.

(So far I haven't seen any clear indication that the handprint is a 'fake')


So, I think we better continue to find more details...





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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Manfred on Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:38 pm

Dear Martijn,


thank you. At the moment I´m out of office and have to wait in taking part on the discussion until I´m back and have have my whole package of library and store.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:00 am

(Manfred informed me that he will share his materials related to the hands of Hitler at a later stage, he appears to need more time than he initially suggested)

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  asif amin on Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:35 am

Patti wrote:

As per M.A Malik the writer of "The new horizon of Palmistry" defines in his book that if any line terminates at star it is the sign of misfortune or tragic end. Hitler's fate line ends at star under Saturn mount.

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Star at end of fate line...

Post  cshahar on Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:18 pm

Is that a real star or was that penned in like the x's? I am not sure that this is the real hand of Hitler to begin with.

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Post  asif amin on Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:47 pm

cshahar wrote:Is that a real star or was that penned in like the x's? I am not sure that this is the real hand of Hitler to begin with.

Dear Martjin,
What's your view regarding star on his saturn mount where fate line terminates.

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Post  asif amin on Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:46 pm

masif2681 wrote:
Dear Martjin,
What's your view regarding star on his saturn mount where fate line terminates.

Dear Martjin, waiting for your opinion.

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:23 pm

masif2681 wrote:Dear Martjin,
What's your view regarding star on his saturn mount where fate line terminates.
Hello Asif,

Thank you for your question!

Usually I am quite sceptic about the 'interpretation' of stars (and other signs) - simply because quite a lot of people are inclined to see signs... that are not really there.

(Though I should add that ocasionally, when a perfect sign can be observed clearly... then I do think that it is interesting to study + research the significance of such a sign. But I recommend that only regarding 'perfect signs'.)


Regarding Charles' comment: I think he is right about that, for obviously the author has 'penned' a few signs in this handprint... and from my point of view that only results in a de-valuation of the materials!

(By the way, so far I see no objective reason to question the authenticity of this handprint... but I do think it's a pitty that the author used his pen to mark the signs that he wanted to be noticed - but we will probably never know if his imagination was involved while making his drawings)


So, especially since we are now not able to see if it concerns a true star... I simply prefer to ignore all 'penned' signs, including the star.

Sorry, for the reasons that I described: this handprint doesn't provide me a solid basis to participate in a discussion about 'stars'.


PS. Amin, thanks again for your 'invitation'!!

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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:08 pm

Manfred send me a few more photos, including the one below.

Unfortunately it looks like that it will be hard to find any better materials which could help us judging the authenticity of the handprint.

Anyway...


MANFRED, THANKS FOR SHARING!


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Re: VII - The Hand of Hitler

Post  Manfred on Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:13 am

Dear Martijn,

about your question:

Musollini was in Germany (Munic and Essen, Berlin ?) 1937.
Beside the hand of Musollini we see the year 1922.

The more or less end of the life line of Ronalds's hand of Hitler could show the year around 56 (not really shure, because the palm is not complete in the lower part).

....look for the free download of J. Randal's with good pictures...

http://www.archive.org/details/howtoknowpeopleb00ranarich

Additon:
- A.Hitler stood in the "Kaiserhof" / Berlin often during the whole 1930ies, even 1932 - before his election.
- J. Ranald was an Austrian and a student of S. Freud's psychoanalysis in Vienna.


Regards
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Post  Lynn on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:19 am

Manfred, thanks for finding the pictures & info, and for giving us the link to Ranald's book. Thumbs up!

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Post  asif amin on Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:07 pm

Thanks Manfred for your precious link of J. Randal's

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