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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:50 pm



Earlier this year american actor Dennis Hopper died on prostate cancer (he was diagnosed for the disease in october 2009); more impressions of his hands are avialable at: http://handfacts.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/dennis-hopper-tribute-hands-impressions-from-the-wild-easy-rider/


July 22, 2010 report:

South Korean researchers, at Gachon University Gil Hospital, published a study, in the Daily Telegraph, revealing that men, whose right-hand ring-finger is longer than the pointer finger, are relatively more susceptible to prostate cancer, than men with a ring-finger shorter than the pointer finger.

This study was triggered by an earlier research that proved that the length of the ring-finger in men is directly proportional with the amount of testosterone a male embryo is subjected to inside the womb.
Scientists in Incheon, South Korea utilized this study to go through the prospects of men developing prostate cancer. 366 men of those, who were hospitalized before for showing signs of prostate cancer, took part in the research. All the men were over their 40s and they all fit the criterion of a relatively longer ring-finger in their right hand.

The research resulted in statistics showing that men with longer ring-finger have 50% more prostate specific antigen (PSA) in their blood, than men with shorter ring finger, indicating that these men were 3 times more likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer than other "normal" men.

On the other hand, the study also showed that, even though they might have a higher risk of prostate cancer, men with relatively long ring finger develop more immunity against heart diseases than those with a shorter ring finger. These men are also proved to be highly fertile.

http://topnews.co.uk/29523-prostate-cancer-now-predicted-through-ring-finger-s-length


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:53 pm

... Interesting. I just found a few more details about the Korean study:
http://www.urotoday.com/61/browse_categories/prostate_cancer/second_to_fourth_digit_ratio_a_predictor_of_prostatespecific_antigen_level_and_the_presence_of_prostate_cancer__abstract07212010.html

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"... No relationship was found between prostate volume and digit ratio [correlation coefficient (r) =-0.038, P= 0.466]. But, significant negative correlations were found between digit ratio and PSA (r=-0.140, P= 0.007). When the patients were divided into two groups (Group A: digit ratio <0.95, n= 184; Group B: digit ratio >/=0.95, n= 182), Group A had a higher mean PSA level than Group B (3.26 +/- 5.54 ng/mL vs 1.89 +/- 2.24 ng/mL, P= 0.002) and had significantly higher risks of prostate biopsy [odds ratio (OR) = 1.75, 95% CI = 1.07-2.84] and prostate cancer (OR = 3.22, 95% CI = 1.33-7.78)."

"Patients with a lower digit ratio have higher risks of prostate biopsy and prostate cancer. "


What does this implicate?

1 - Korean males appear to have an average 'digit ratio' close to 0.95, for: the researchers decided to split the sample in 2 groups: <0.95 and >/=0.05).

(To me this average close 0.95 makes sense in the perspective of the figures for Chinese from Beijing and Japanese from Tokyo populations in John Manning's second book - The Finger Book - see figures on page 68: the average for female populations appears to be slightly higher than 0.95; and page 142: the average for males + females slightly below 0.95)

2 - The link between finger length & antigen (PSA) level is highly significant: p<0.002; though the link between the finger length and the outcome in terms of 'prostate biopsy' and 'prostate cancer' is only significant at a 95% level.

(To me this implicates another confirming link between finger length & process in the body, though the outcome in terms of disease is likely more influenced by behavior related factors.)


The picture below comes from an Indonesian article about this study:
http://us.health.detik.com/read/2010/07/21/161634/1403930/763/pria-dengan-jari-manis-lebih-panjang-rawan-kena-kanker-prostat?993306755


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Post  Ron on Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:32 pm

The problem I'm finding lately is everything is becoming generalized. Through various research findings it now can be seen in the Ring finger if someone is homosexual or heterosexual and now it can be linked to prostate cancer. What could the possibility that an individual has a Ring finger size that is linked to prostate cancer and hasn't got prostate cancer?
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:46 pm

Ron wrote:The problem I'm finding lately is everything is becoming generalized. Through various research findings it now can be seen in the Ring finger if someone is homosexual or heterosexual and now it can be linked to prostate cancer. What could the possibility that an individual has a Ring finger size that is linked to prostate cancer and hasn't got prostate cancer?
Hi Ron,

I understand the nature of your problem... I know, it's a fascinating but complicated topic.


Basically, one can only use the results of such studies as a 'clue' for the risk of developing prostate cancer.

But a 'clue' doesn't implicate that it will help you directly to recognize it as a reliable indicator! For, regarding such info to individuals... one single 'clue' is usually not a reliable indicator at all!


For example:

Remember the link between the simian line & Down syndrome...? This link has been confirmed in many scientific studies all over the world. But basically, an isolated simian line ... means nothing, and can even be found in very healthy, intelligent people.

So, one really needs to be aware of other indicators for Down syndrome... before one can use it in that perspective.


Now, let's get back to the link between the right hand low 2D:4D digit ratio & prostate cancer:

One simply really needs to notice other hand-related 'risk factors' for prostate cancer... before one can use the '2D:4D digit ratio' for a (pre-)diagnosis etc, or for other purposes.


Sorry, I have no further expertise related to prostate cancer... but I hope that this explanation will help you as a reminder (for I think about one year ago you did particiate in some digit ratio discussions related to other topics).

I hope you remember those!???

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:20 pm

... While re-reading a passage in Manning's 2nd book, I found that there's another connection between the low 2D:4D digit ration and prostate cancer.

For, Manning describes in his book (The Finger Book, p.37) how 'glutamine chains' play a key-role in the sensitivity of hormone-receptors (which plays in it's turn a role in the activation of testosterone in the human body):

"...The various forms of the androgen receptor have important consequences for our health and behaviour. For example, African-American men have shorter glutamine chains (high sensitivity to testosterone) than white men. Short glutamine chains are associated with an increased susceptibility to prostate cancer, and this may in part explain why the incidence of prostate cancer is higher in African-Americans than in white Americans. ..."

Since African-Americans have been reported to have lower 2D:4D ratios, this report from Manning's work provides a deeper understanding of how low 2D:4D digit ratio correlates with prostated cancer:

For, obviously there is a 3-way relationship between: (1) short glutamine chains (= high sensitivity to testosterone), (2) low 2D:4D digit ratio, and (3) the high occurence of prostate cancer in African-Americans.


PS. Not, related to finger length - but this article provides a quick overview of the role of prostate cancer in society today: Still Confusion about the Usefulness of PSA-screening

Prostate cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer affecting older men and second-biggest cancer killer:

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new study about 2D:4D & prostate cancer

Post  Lynn on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:29 am

This report has been on the BBC news and the newspapers today.

"Finger length is a marker for risk of prostate cancer
Men whose index fingers are longer than their ring fingers are much less likely to develop prostate cancer, a new study suggests.
The study led by The University of Warwick and The Institute of Cancer Research (ICR) found men whose index finger is longer than their ring finger were one third less likely to develop the disease in their lifetime than men with the opposite finger lengths."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8170987/Finger-length-is-a-marker-for-risk-of-prostate-cancer.html

I wonder how accurate this particular study is, given the method they used - "The men were shown a series of pictures of different finger length patterns and asked to identify the one most similar to their own right hand."
People are often not very good at identifying their own hand features from pictures (?) and I wonder why they only studied right hand.
But the results back up the Korean study, low 2D:4D as a risk marker.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:14 am


Hi Lynn, thanks for sharing!! Thumbs up!

I very much support your concern regarding the method... but because we are now talking about a relatively large study (4.568 males involved, including 1.524 prostate cancer patients), which produced results... which appear to be highly significant.

Maybe, when we hear more details about how many 'finger pictures' were involved (but it looks like that maybe only 2 pictures were involved scratch )... I think I might be able to consider the idea that this study could become a step towards a practical application regarding preventive screening, etc.


This is the ABSTRACT of the original publication:
http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/6605986a.html

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A FOX health video-report about the dec 2010 research: http://www.fox21online.com/healthreport/finger-length-and-prostate-cancer-risk


Finger Length May Reveal Prostate Cancer Risk

Bonnie McLaughlin & Photojournalist Adam Jagunich, FOX 21 News reports:

"Hands can tell a lot about a person. Age, profession and if you believe in palmistry, the future. A new study says, men can now add another item to that list: prostate cancer.

The key to a man's risk for prostate cancer may lie in the lenghth of his index finger. British scientists found that men whose index fingers are longer than their ring fingers were one–third less likely to develop the disease than those with the reverse.

This is exciting news, especially for men under the age of 60, since the diagnosis of prostate cancer is not easy. The best blood test used today can only indicate that something might be wrong with the prostate, not whether it is cancerous or not. This finding means that just looking at a man's hand could potentially be used to select at–risk men for ongoing screening.

Researchers say finger length may be related to levels of the male hormone testosterone. The relative length of index and ring fingers is set before birth and is believed to relate to the levels of sex hormones a baby is exposed to in the womb.

Prostate cancer is the second most common cancer in men after lung cancer and kills around 254,000 men a year worldwide.

This is not the first study to point a finger at length, either. Previous studies have linked finger length to aggression, fertility, sporting ability, confidence and reaction times."

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The original article about this prostate cancer research is available here:
Hand pattern indicates prostate cancer risk



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However... be aware that the research results only point out a 'statistical truth', so these studies can not be appllied reliably to an individual (which would require a at least a correction for sexe, ethnicity, body length, etc.)

The following illustration provides an overview of some other 'statistical truths' that have been found for the long ring finger:


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A new prostate cancer study has been published earlier this month (july 5, 2011) - reporting much weaker results than earlier studies that were publised last year, see:
http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/bjc2011253a.html

(NOTICE: Professor John T. Manning is own of the co-authors in this study)


Second to fourth digit ratio (2D:4D) and prostate cancer risk in the Melbourne Collaborative Cohort Study
D C Muller, G G Giles, J T Manning, J L Hopper, D R English and G Severi

AbstractBackground:

The ratio of the lengths of index and ring fingers (2D:4D) is a marker of prenatal exposure to sex hormones, with low 2D:4D being indicative of high prenatal androgen action. Recent studies have reported a strong association between 2D:4D and risk of prostate cancer.


Methods:

A total of 6258 men participating in the Melbourne Collaborative Cohort Study had 2D:4D assessed. Of these men, we identified 686 incident prostate cancer cases. Hazard ratios (HRs) and confidence intervals (CIs) were estimated for a standard deviation increase in 2D:4D.


Results:

No association was observed between 2D:4D and prostate cancer risk overall (HRs 1.00; 95% CIs, 0.92–1.08 for right, 0.93–1.08 for left). We observed a weak inverse association between 2D:4D and risk of prostate cancer for age <60, however 95% CIs included unity for all observed ages.


Conclusion:

Our results are not consistent with an association between 2D:4D and overall prostate cancer risk, but we cannot exclude a weak inverse association between 2D:4D and early onset prostate cancer risk.

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Last month a study from Brazil presented new confirming evidence that low 2D:4D ratios are featured with a higher chance for developing prostate cancer:

"Conclusions: Males with the lower digit ratio seem to be more prone to undergo malignization of prostatic lesions. Similar risk factors for the three groups allows us to infer that digit ratio could add to the research of etiological factors and be a putative marker for the screening of patients’, especially in a admixed population."


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After many studies presented confirming evidence of a link between (low) 2D:4D digit ratio and the (high) chance for developing prostate cancer, this week a new study from Korea pointed out that the SURVIVAL RATE is also higher for (young) men who have a longer index finger (2D).

The latest findings show that cancer victims responded better to an anti-tumor drug if their ring finger was shorter than their index finger.


For more details, check:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120815/11523/prostate-cancer-testosterone-fingers-length.htm

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This week another report from Korea has been published confirming the relationship between 2D:4D digit ratio and prostate cancer (reporting that among men with urinary tract symptoms those who have a 2D:4D digit ratio < 0.95 were twice more likely to have cancer detection than those who a 2D:4D digit ratio > 0.95).

The title of the publication: 'Second to fourth digit ratio: its relationship with core cancer volume and Gleason score in prostate biopsy':

http://www.brazjurol.com.br/september_october_2012/Oh_611_619.pdf


Translation of a Korean article about this study:

http://www.newsmp.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=100140

"Finger length ratio, prostate cancer associated with malignant

Help Finger length ratio (比) announced findings that help related malignant prostate cancer. Eye-catching.

Gachon Gil Medical Center, Kim, TB; Ahn, HY 'finger length ratio and prostate biopsy, biopsy tumor volume and Gleason score (Second to fourth digit ratio: its relationship with core cancer volume and Gleason score in prostate biopsy) and the relevance of the topic to Professor Tim malignant pathological findings have a higher probability to be diagnosed with prostate cancer in the prostate biopsy, as well as a research paper, the ratio of finger length from the lower and was confirmed to be related.

Professor Kim's team dual finger length ratio and prostate-specific antigen (PSA) levels were measured, and 770 patients with lower urinary tract symptoms over the 40-year-old male patients clinically suspected prostate cancer 166 patients in finger length ratio and prostate cancer diagnosis, prostate biopsy, prostate biopsy, had conducted a study on the relevance of the findings and pathology.

Dividing index finger length to ring finger length finger length ratio is defined as the value. Results of this study, the finger length ratio is less than 0.95, the patient likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer in the prostate biopsy compared to patients with more than 0.95 to 2.8 times (46.8% vs 23.6%) was higher pathologic findings of biopsy tumor volume was greater (46.7% vs 37.1%), help related malignant prostate cancer Gleason score to be more high biopsy was examined.

The results of this study have shown that fetal male hormone miracle occurs and the formation of the male reproductive system as well as the formation of the finger that affected the

Furthermore, the results showing that the incidence of prostate cancer as well as prostate cancer malignant help so is attracting attention. These results are important clues to the future of prostate cancer treatment response and survival appear differently for each individual to support research on the causes, to be able to be utilized.


This research paper, the issue of the Brazilian Journal of Urology (Int Braz J Urol), was published.

Professor Kim's team in July 2010 ahead of the world's first 'British Journal of Urology (BJU International)' announcement about the relevance of the finger length ratio and prostate cancer in July 2011, and containing the finger length ratio and the relevance of the adult penis size research results were published in the 'Journal of Asian men and Asian Journal of Andrology ()' finger length ratio and prostate enlargement medication in July 2012, the relevance of the responses and published in the 'British Journal of Urology (BJU International)' one bar."

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Interesting report from Melton (UK) about a man who's prostate cancer was discovered via his 2D:4D finger ratio:
http://www.meltontimes.co.uk/community/community-news/finger-length-was-clue-to-peter-s-cancer-1-5350706

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