Can Thumb be called venus finger?

anand_palm wrote:Hello everybody

Is there a specific reason why thumb is denoted as will power or determination. In palmistry all other mounts are categorzied by the finger they represent or other way around. in case of thumb it is called as thumb and denoting some seperate identity. The corresponding mount below represnets venus mount wherease the thumb represents will power. If either one is right then the other one should change accordingly, which implies either mount of venus should be changed as will power mount or thumb should be changed as venus finger.

I would appreciate you comments.

Thanks
Anand

anand_palm wrote:Hello everybody

Is there a specific reason why thumb is denoted as will power or determination. In palmistry all other mounts are categorzied by the finger they represent or other way around. in case of thumb it is called as thumb and denoting some seperate identity. The corresponding mount below represnets venus mount wherease the thumb represents will power. If either one is right then the other one should change accordingly, which implies either mount of venus should be changed as will power mount or thumb should be changed as venus finger.

I would appreciate you comments.

Thanks
Anand

anand_palm wrote:Hello all

In some sense i do agree with pati the thumb represents sunenergy. Usually venus represents art, music, sex (longer ring finger in a compartive basis as researchers mention), sympathy, love ect, in that sense appollo can be more similar to venus.
RishiRahul =Patti's right to the extent that the thumb is the leader. When we clasp our hand= it is the thumb against our other fingers, denoting its importance.

also based on our traditional palmistry approach then thumb can be ctegorized like what i mentioned and rishirahul mentioned.
RishiRahul =Not exactly. For the moment in our learning let us forget traditional palmistry and modern palmistry.
Palmistry is like a third eye (knowledge) in terms of physiognomy.


it also makes me think according to parinder version since thumb does not have three phalanges we cannot look at it as finger. But then going by palmistry alone we should have representation of thumb like we had for all fingers since it has a mount below it, like all other finger do we would indeed need to represent it. So how do we go about, like iam asking a simple question how do we base our representation of our fingers, let us say we go by defining from mounts then thumb should represent somethingh similar to venus and mars put togther or venus alone or mars alone or none of these. Now the natural question arises what do these mounts represent is it really venus or somethingh else.
If it is venus then patti makes a good point mentioning that ring finger represents venus. now why is it venus, one is by defintion of apollo mount it fits into what venus represents. now by definiton of science the ring finger represetns more about sex, ect.. (i guess the article is some where in martinj forum). Then what really is thumb going to be, if we exclude venus, then can we say the mount below it is not venus, somethingh else. as rishirahul mentioned mars (but still iam not sure because mars mounts does not start below the thumb) is there, but then venus is siginifcant portion there below the thumb, then is it the mount venus or somethingh else.
RishiRahul =What Parinder ji mentioned in Very true sense of the thumb... if you do not go to the inner trivialities he has mentioned about the phalanges, you would realise the truth.
He mentioned about phalanges of thumb being different from the other fingers, which makes the thumb stand out from the fingers.
What he has mentioned is very true.


if we exclude and say it is not a finger, then iam not sure how we should proceed. then the complete palmistry system can be questionable.
RishiRahul =Do not take the words literally. Problem occurs if you take comments Literally.
But is such a strong finger for humans (not animals), that it stands out more than other fingers.

RishiRahul =Venus and Rahu (the physically energy of Mars) forms the platform where the thumb stands...... Imagine the passion with energy= thumb.
Do not take to call the thumb equalling 'literally' with Venus + Mars.
Since you asked/wanted to know about which planet it would signify, I mentioned this as it would be the closest.
Why are you bothered about theories so much= I mean whether the thumb is a finger or not?
Pluto existed and still does; whether termed a Planet or not


I would appreciate your comments
Thanks
Anand

RishiRahul

anand_palm wrote:Hello Patti

Why is that, but every book goes by calling thumb as will power, but you have mentioned that thumb can be thought of SUN finger, then what is ring finger. If we assume this, then is ring finger venus finger.

Is there any reason or is it just based on your observation and interpetation reading hands.

You know what i was just thinking, you could be right looking at the way palmistry charecterises sun mount, it is more foucessed towards art, music, aesthetics and usually venus is the one which represents it other than just sympathy ect.. Venusian qualities involve art, music, sophistication, sympathy, sex, ect...

Iam not sure about sun qualiites, sun represents luck, brilliancy, brightness, talent.

Very interesting, that means lot of the interpretation have to be changed.

Thanks
Anand

Magda van Dijk-Rijneke wrote:Hi Patty,

Did you know that the Hindus already know that the thumb is the basis of the palmistry many centuries ago? They were convinced that thumbs in itself such a clear picture of a person's character, individual willpower and energy that they then also studied separately as Thumb-reading. The thumb symbolizes the three universal qualities, will, think and feel, similarly in the chiromancy (handlines) and the chirognomy (handshapes).
Interesting point is also.....
Between the thumb and the mount of Venus is a part that is called the mount of Vulcanus.This section is the starter motor of the thumb and connects the mount of Venus (the pursuit of something), the mount of radial Mars (perseverance) and thumb (willpower). This mount is the link between create, manifest and carry out and stands for success by inspiration, passion and willpower.

With love Magda

Magda van Dijk-Rijneke wrote:Hi Patty,

Did you know that the Hindus already know that the thumb is the basis of the palmistry many centuries ago? They were convinced that thumbs in itself such a clear picture of a person's character, individual willpower and energy that they then also studied separately as Thumb-reading. The thumb symbolizes the three universal qualities, will, think and feel, similarly in the chiromancy (handlines) and the chirognomy (handshapes).
Interesting point is also.....
Between the thumb and the mount of Venus is a part that is called the mount of Vulcanus.This section is the starter motor of the thumb and connects the mount of Venus (the pursuit of something), the mount of radial Mars (perseverance) and thumb (willpower). This mount is the link between create, manifest and carry out and stands for success by inspiration, passion and willpower.

With love Magda

Magda van Dijk-Rijneke wrote:Hello Anil Anand,

We don't use astrology in chirology. We only have the same names. In modern palmistry, the names of Roman gods also used. These represent an archetype or character trait while taking every mountain or finger with that name reflects the corresponding trait.

The entire movable part of the thumb can held before the hand. The thumb is opposable. The thumb with two phalanges can't do that. Therefore, the tumb is the ruler of the hand.
Nowadays we use the 3 parts of the thumb including the thumb-mountains (Venus Mars and Vulcain also the mount of Earth). Because our willpower has more diciplines as I have write before. We have use them all before we can do something.

Warm regards

Hi Magda,

I fully support your view that chirology (hand reading) doesn't need astrology.

But your suggestion makes me wonder: since the planet vulcan was never confirmed to exist at all - after it's existance was hypothesed by a French mathematician (but in time it became obvious that his theory was wrong about it's existance between the planet mercury and the sun, because it was never confirmed by observations).

Magda... what made you decide to adopt/accept this 'myth' in the perspective of chirology?




I would prefer to approach this matter as follows:

Mr Spock from the science fiction series 'Star Trek' became known for his vulcan gesture. But interestingly, if we start studying this gesture we can again see how even in this gesture 'fiction' became mixed with reality. Because from the perspective of chirology one could say that this gesture suggests that the energy from vulcan became located in the empty space between the sun and saturn. But maybe... the gesture would have made much more sense if it had manifested as the gesture made by the woman in the picture below...!

(My thought is: just like chirology doesn't need astrology, chirology probably doesn't need the 'myth' called vulcan either)

Martijn (admin) wrote:

Magda van Dijk-Rijneke wrote:Hello Anil Anand,

We don't use astrology in chirology. We only have the same names. In modern palmistry, the names of Roman gods also used. These represent an archetype or character trait while taking every mountain or finger with that name reflects the corresponding trait.

The entire movable part of the thumb can held before the hand. The thumb is opposable. The thumb with two phalanges can't do that. Therefore, the tumb is the ruler of the hand.
Nowadays we use the 3 parts of the thumb including the thumb-mountains (Venus Mars and Vulcain also the mount of Earth). Because our willpower has more diciplines as I have write before. We have use them all before we can do something.

Warm regards

Hi Magda,

I fully support your view that chirology (hand reading) doesn't need astrology.

But your suggestion makes me wonder: since the planet vulcan was never confirmed to exist at all - after it's existance was hypothesed by a French mathematician (but in time it became obvious that his theory was wrong about it's existance between the planet mercury and the sun, because it was never confirmed by observations).

Magda... what made you decide to adopt/accept this 'myth' in the perspective of chirology?




I would prefer to approach this matter as follows:

Mr Spock from the science fiction series 'Star Trek' became known for his vulcan gesture. But interestingly, if we start studying this gesture we can again see how even in this gesture 'fiction' became mixed with reality. Because from the perspective of chirology one could say that this gesture suggests that the energy from vulcan became located in the empty space between the sun and saturn. But maybe... the gesture would have made much more sense if it had manifested as the gesture made by the woman in the picture below...!

(My thought is: just like chirology doesn't need astrology, chirology probably doesn't need the 'myth' called vulcan either)

Patti wrote:
Hi Martijn,
Not to change the subject from the thumb, but your comment about not applying mythological characteristics to hand features reminded me of how I've noticed you and others have freely adopted the mythological name of Persephone for a particular type of head line. Where is the difference?

Magda van Dijk-Rijneke wrote:Hi Patty,

Thanks for hitting the nail on the head, as we say in Dutch!

I only was refering to Vulcan as a archetype and not some planet. As I said before to me opinion astrology has nothing to do with palmistry. In a english book of Edward Cambell you find some information about the mount of Vulcan.

Warm regards