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THE HAND AND THE BRAIN - THE ACTIVE HAND AND THE PASSIVE HAND

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Post  jophiel on Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:32 pm

http://www.scribd.com/doc/78524800/THE-HAND-AND-THE-BRAIN-ACTIVE-AND-PASS


As Charlotte Wolff expresses it: 'The hand is the visible part of the brain'. Of particular note for the study of hands is the fact that there are more neural connections between the hands and the brain than between the brain and any other part of the body. The area of the cerebral cortex devoted to the sensory and motor nerves that supply the hands is not in proportion to the actual size of the hands. The physiology of the nervous system is such that the more important an area of the body is, the more space is given to it in the brain. The hands are an incredibly important source of sensory information and are indeed one of the first ways in which we begin to learn about the world around us.

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Post  Lynn on Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:49 pm

Anthony, isn't this also copied from Christopher Jones' website?
http://www.cheirology.net/

I don't see any credit given to the source. Are you aware that copying other people's work is a breach of copyright?

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Post  Lynn on Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:57 pm

this link is to the source of some of the writing you have reproduced in your above article.

http://www.cheirology.net/basics/activepassive.htm

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Post  anand_palm on Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:19 pm

Hello Lynn

Has anybody concluded on the left and right hand dispute we had in the forum long back.
i had been reading charlotte wolf book and the book accounts for acessory line, but does not include dermatoglyphics as part for understanding the active and passive concept. Dermatoglyphics is inherent and genetic. so whenever i think in temrs of this iam confused.

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Post  Lynn on Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:47 pm

Hi Anand, have you looked at the table at the bottom of the page on the link
http://www.cheirology.net/basics/activepassive.htm
Summary of Active and Passive Hands

That is quite useful way of thinking about the differences between the two hands, which you can apply to any feature, including the characteristics in the dermatoglyphics.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:02 pm

Lynn wrote:Anthony, isn't this also copied from Christopher Jones' website?
http://www.cheirology.net/

I don't see any credit given to the source. Are you aware that copying other people's work is a breach of copyright?

Yes Lynn, thanks for pointing out to the (important) issue of respecting the sources where materials are taken from.

I share you worries.
And I hope that in the near future Anthony will always include the original source of the materials in his scribd-files (preferably featured with a link or an url).

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Post  jophiel on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:36 pm

Martinj

I agree that I have not given any credit by not quoting the source.

I normally quote the source.

I have deleted the article.

In future I assure you that such errors will not occur.

With very warm and respectful feelings,

Yours truly,

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:44 pm

jophiel wrote:Martinj

I agree that I have not given any credit by not quoting the source.

I normally quote the source.

I have deleted the article.

In future I assure you that such errors will not occur.

With very warm and respectful feelings,

Yours truly,

Anthony Writer

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Post  Lynn on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:20 pm

Thanks Anthony. As well as having respect for the authors whose work you use ....For your own sake you need to be careful, even if you link to the source you should still seek permission of the author (or whoever owns the copyright) to reproduce their work, to avoid getting into legal copyright battles.

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Post  Patti on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:39 pm

Lynn wrote:Thanks Anthony. As well as having respect for the authors whose work you use ....For your own sake you need to be careful, even if you link to the source you should still seek permission of the author (or whoever owns the copyright) to reproduce their work, to avoid getting into legal copyright battles.

What's even scarier is that there are two bills that have been presented in the US Senate and House in regards to anti-piracy and some aspects are so over reaching to the point that it includes just putting a link to someone's material without permission can result in having your page taken down. Check out SOPA and PIPA. They're not very popular and hopefully will be voted down.

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Post  jophiel on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:43 pm

Dear Lynn and Patti

Thank you very much.,

With very warm and respectful feelings,

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Re: THE HAND AND THE BRAIN - THE ACTIVE HAND AND THE PASSIVE HAND

Post  anand_palm on Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:29 am

Hello Lynn

I did read it.

How does dermatoglyphics which is an inherent chareterstic be classified as passive and active. If i understand from what patti, yourself and people in this forum have mentioned that there is a link between nervous system and dermatoglyphics and also there are books and papers also which validate this findings. Now the nervous system comes with you, which is inborn with you. the median nerve, ulnar nerve and radial nerves are connected to the brain and dermatoglyphcis is inborn, does not develop or change just like our genes. ofcourse i do not how the processing is done and probbaly lot of research is done in this aspect. but this is what i would say as fixed patterns, so my point is since these patterns are fixed, we should give its due weightage. This nervous system of left hand and right hand will function independently only when there is no coordination between these nervous system, since iam not a biology student iam not sure how these left hand and right hand nervous system coordinates. When there is no coordination then passive and active can function independently as per the defintions. but since there is coordination and linkages, they go hand in hand, both work together.

Now what confuses me is this, the brain function has been given in the website as such and such, when i read charlotte wolf book she mentions that ulnar nerve would be more of the passive side and median nerve represents more of active side within an hand itself, so then every hand has its own active and passive front. also looking at the function of the brain rational thinking ect.. is categorized as active or should median nerve be considered as active, the similar logic is applicable for the passive front.
Please correct me if iam wrong, inborn or inherent as per my understanding is somethingh we have inherited (genes, nervous system), developed is somethingh we have worked to achieve or has been conditioned by culture, environment,society ect.. is what iam able to comprehend as inborn, roots, inherent.

Whatever iam able to gauge from charolette wolfe book is that she is trying to focus more on lines (accessory line) to understand about hands, she has used dermatoglyphics in her case study, but she has not used to explain dermatoglyphics in her chapter on left and right hand and its importance. so iam now in a grey area.

The other thingh which iam not convinced is that concept of passive hand being the basis. So my question is what is the source has to be first addressed. The source could be dermatoglyphics, lines, emotions ect .. iam not sure about it. Suppose we treat dermatoglphics as a source or basis then definetly dermatoglyhpics terms have to be explained, like pattern intensity, patterns, ect.. Now if we use that as a source then what should be the basis for categorizing passive hand has to be explained. Is it # of patterns, pattern intensity, types of patterns, for which somebody who has done good research and understood its implications has to be define it. Suppose you take pattern intensity as good way to explain, then the source becomes pattern intensity and in such cases how is it distributed across would become the manifestation and hence the possibility of passive and active would become difficult to apply. A better way to explain would be to say the storehouse is pattern intensity or different types of pattern, # of similar patterns and based on some rule (hidden rule) it gets distributed across the hand as whole. It is up to us to look at the beauty of how it has been distributed across. Then question of left or right forming the basis would not be there if we consider dermatoglyphics as a basis.

Is it up to us to consider dermatoglyphics, if we consider it as part of passive and active hand then the natural question which arises how would it fit in across. There has to be sound scientific basis by which we should say it.

I think this when cleared can answer lot of doubts.

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Post  Patti on Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:41 pm

Cummins & Midlo's Finger Prints Palms and Soles has many charts and graphs showing the difference in frequency of patterns as distributed between the left and right hands. Following the main lines is another guide, too. These are of course only statistics and individual hands may vary. There are no absolutes in hand analysis, there are always exceptions.

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Post  anand_palm on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:00 am

Hello Patti

Do you have that data, i should at some point buy that book because everybody in research paper quote work from cummins and mildo. but as you said it is statistics and probability based. Does he use left hand as seperate clubs it up and right hand hand as seperate and clubs it up ( in other words, how does he combine the statistics ) and then he compares. The reason why iam asking is that is he considering left hand as seperate pouplation and right hand as seperate population. if so what his analysis. But then can this help in categorizing passive, active. The confusion arises the moment you bring in dermatoglyphics also as a way to understand about hand. whatever i was able to understand from charlotte wolf book on human hand is that she has not considered dermatoglyphics as siginifcant part in understanding about left hand and right hand differences or in other words how to categorize dermatoglyphics has not been dealt clealrly in her book, whether it should be combined as one unit or spli up again into passive and active. But then if you do it the basis will be a question put forward.

I agree with you there are no absolute in hand analysis. This could be because of more than one factor (lines, dermatoglyphics) and also its link to brain which makes it less absolute. My guess is that some kind of gauge has to be used, or probably intuition is needed.

Iam trying to find this answer, and iam not ablee to get it.


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Post  Patti on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:22 am

The charts in Cummins & Midlo's book show frequencies of a feature found in the left and right hands of about 1200 men. For example, such as how many times an interdigital loop is found in the left hand and right hand in each interdigital area. These same interdigital areas will also have statistics for whorls, vestiges, open fields and so forth.

I know you ask basically the same question, but the question really isn't clear.




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Post  anand_palm on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:32 am

Hello Patti

Thanks for the info. Let me rephrase it.

When he has described the statistics, does he try to study the correlation between left hand and right hand fingerprints or does he plot the graph using left and right hand together.

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Post  Patti on Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:06 am

anand_palm wrote:Hello Patti

Thanks for the info. Let me rephrase it.

When he has described the statistics, does he try to study the correlation between left hand and right hand fingerprints or does he plot the graph using left and right hand together.

Thanks
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It is graphs and charts with statistics of a large group of people. The numbers are grouped not individual. So it is not matching the right and left hands of individuals but the entire group. here is an example:


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Post  anand_palm on Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:55 am

Hello patti

Looking at group stats there are few which looks there is correlation, there are few which dont seem atleast looking at percenatges. looks like ID 2 has good correlation between left and right hands, not sure ID 3. But as you have mentioned we have to look at the indiviudal pattern and then try to decipher. This kind of thinghs is what makes subjects interesting and understand msyteries.

Thanks for your effort and info, i really appreciate your help and patience.

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Post  Patti on Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:50 am

You're welcome. sunny

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Post  anand_palm on Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:29 am

Hello Lynn, Patti

You website is useful, and also this particular link on the website is useful, i came it accross it yesterday. The article is interesting on mentioning that dont jump to conclusions qucikly and is neither supporting nor saying it is wrong on categorize somethingh as subconcious, concncious or create structures accordingly.

Probably somebody can some insight on what exactly is this trying to head towards.

http://www.cheirology.net/history/viewing.htm

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Post  Patti on Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:53 pm

anand_palm wrote:Hello Lynn, Patti

You website is useful, and also this particular link on the website is useful, i came it accross it yesterday. The article is interesting on mentioning that dont jump to conclusions qucikly and is neither supporting nor saying it is wrong on categorize somethingh as subconcious, concncious or create structures accordingly.

Probably somebody can some insight on what exactly is this trying to head towards.

http://www.cheirology.net/history/viewing.htm

Thanks
Anand

Hi Anand,
I think what Christopher is pointing out is that many of us read hands unobjectively in that we tend to view everything through our own perspectives and experiences. Then we end up giving too much meaning to areas we favor such as dermatoghyphics and other areas are ignored.

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Post  anand_palm on Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:08 am

Hello Patti

Thanks, i did not know that this subsconsuios superconciuos ect have orginated in this fashion. So we have to combine everythingh and then look.

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Post  anand_palm on Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:09 am

Hello Patti

Thanks for the info, my take is dermatoglyhpics have to be taken as genetic part as it is related to nuerology and lines should be looked at seperately. As christopher jones mentiones everythingh has to be given due importance and not too much importance. Genetics is what you have inherited and lines indicate your work and environment and sitiuations. Anway to my little knowledge i know of i have passed my opinion.

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Post  anand_palm on Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:23 am

Hello Patti

In the website he has mentioned Habitual patterns iam not able to get that, can you explain what it means in terms of lines, derma ect..

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Post  Lynn on Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:38 pm

Our habitual patterns are the way we normally think / behave / react etc as individuals, modes of thinking & behaviour that may have its roots in childhood or in our general personality. These habitual patterns can be seen from combining all aspects of the hands.

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