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Post  Kiran.Katawa on Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:38 am

Hi,

I see many authors giving importance to finger length and finger positioning.
However, I never see any significance being given for mounts and the apex on them.
For ex: Johnny's book never discusses anything on these! (That's one example)

Any idea - why?

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Post  Ramann on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:25 pm

Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi,

I see many authors giving importance to finger length and finger positioning.
However, I never see any significance being given for mounts and the apex on them.
For ex: Johnny's book never discusses anything on these! (That's one example)

Any idea - why?

I think Kiran ,more to do with the methodology of the palmist.Most of the old authors have signified the presence of the apex at the centre of the palm.May be they belong to the predictive school.Also Eugene Schiemann has done the same when he refers the ATD angle and the raised lower angle for any psychological abnormaility.

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Post  Patti on Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:38 pm

Beryl Hutchinson, Your Life in Your Hands, gave some information about the placement of the triradius on the mounts. So did Enid Hoffman in Hands.

The ones that concern me the most in a reading are the ones that are missing, the location of the triradius under the index finger and sometimes the little finger. Or, anything that stands out as unusual.

I think the information regarding the distance between the triradius and the base of the finger being related to the energy a person has to put forward in that area gets ignored as just one factor of many related to the same subject.

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Post  Kiran.Katawa on Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:22 pm

Hi Raman,
But, now its clear that the mounts represent arche type of energy. Even then, not much info?

Hi Patti,
Do you mean - "This point gets ignored 'coz, there are many related indicators on the same"?. But, what you mentioned about is the distance from finger.
How about - the quadrant(earth/water/fire/air) positioning of apex on the mount? and bulging of the mount?. Quadrant positioning of the apex will be important as the ridge prints are not going to change/ change the position.


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Post  Patti on Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:25 pm

Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi Raman,
But, now its clear that the mounts represent arche type of energy. Even then, not much info?

Hi Patti,
Do you mean - "This point gets ignored 'coz, there are many related indicators on the same"?. But, what you mentioned about is the distance from finger.
How about - the quadrant(earth/water/fire/air) positioning of apex on the mount? and bulging of the mount?. Quadrant positioning of the apex will be important as the ridge prints are not going to change/ change the position.


What an interesting question. Visualizing what you describe would result in a sort of grid across the area under the fingers of sixteen spaces divided into 4 elements. Well first, I don't really use the element system in the hands, although I think it works great with astrology and other systems. With palmistry it creates a very organized system of combinations for those that need or want this kind of organization. I think it is a limiting system Laughing which is ironic when you think of the number of possible combinations of combinations.

With triradii, I like to think in terms of developmental plus primal aspects mixed together. I see the hands as deluxe sensual devices with instantaneous communication with the brain and the heart.

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Post  Kiran.Katawa on Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:51 pm

Okay. Lets keep aside the 5E system( I too agree that "it creates a very organized system of combination")

Inspite of that, the positioning of the triradii should matter? Based on the positioning as - lower/upper/ulnar/radial side should give some FIXED info about the person?
So, what info does this positioning adds to "developmental plus primal aspects mixed together"? Can you please elaborate?

Before going to that: Will positioning be considered, if the mount is not bulging?
My understanding so far is: bulging should be considered. 'coz, a bulge would indicate the presence of energy.

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Post  Patti on Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:11 pm

Kiran.Katawa wrote:
Inspite of that, the positioning of the triradii should matter? Based on the positioning as - lower/upper/ulnar/radial side should give some FIXED info about the person?
So, what info does this positioning adds to "developmental plus primal aspects mixed together"? Can you please elaborate?

Before going to that: Will positioning be considered, if the mount is not bulging?
My understanding so far is: bulging should be considered. 'coz, a bulge would indicate the presence of energy.

The interdigital areas have a big influence on the placement of the triradii under the fingers. The interdigital areas are where the volar pads were and where patterns are formed. The triradii are the final formations when three fields meet. The volar pads are the bulges and the triradii mark the valleys during development. These would be the enduring aspects. This is a primal aspect of paw development and our sense of touch. When we grip things our brain and hand are aware of various factors - not to squeeze something too fragile or hold tighter something slippery - we can fine tune this instantly to various parts of the hand. There's a lot more to this... but we are translating 'how' we do these physical things to personality types.

From the palmist perspective I looked up what Beryl Hutchinson and Enid Hoffman said about the location of the triradius under the index finger and what that represents and they had completely different information from each other.

I think I've developed my view from Enid Hoffman's where she said the triradius on the Jupiter mount being moved closer to the thumb as "self-willed" or a "loner". What I have found is that these people resent having someone copy their work. Standing out as an individual seems to be important.

For the triradius here to be closer to the thumb would likely indicate a large volar pad between the index and middle fingers during development. It would also probably involve a higher a-b ridge count as well. A triradius closer to the middle finger would most likely indicate a smaller volar pad and a lower a-b ridge count. Beyond the atd angle being measured, this a-b measurement appears to play an important role in research.

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Post  Lynn on Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:56 am

Hi Kiran, I studied mounts for 3 years. In the end, I decided that you can't see anything in mounts that can't be seen from other areas of the hand!

For example, Patti's example about "the triradius on the Jupiter mount being moved closer to the thumb as "self-willed" or a "loner"....Standing out as an individual seems to be important." You might find the same characteristic from the Jupiter finger leaning or curving towards the thumb and away from Saturn finger.

I understand what you are saying Kiran that "the positioning of the triradii should matter? Based on the positioning as- lower/upper/ulnar/radial side should give some FIXED info about the person?". Maybe if you study the digital mounts in depth you can tell me where I went wrong. I didn't find that they told me anything new or different from other aspects of the hand.

Remember that many of the palmistry authors who first wrote about mounts were the old palmists who were reading hands of rich people, the Courts of Europe etc, who were well fed (fat!) and had plump hands and mounts. Many people these days don't seem to have well developed mounts. There seems to be no consistent way to measure mounts, so it's difficult to compare one person's mounts with another person's mounts. Most mounts seem to be displaced. To be honest, I hardly even look at digital mounts now unless they are extremely well developed. The palmar mounts of course are more important (in my opinion) eg if luna or mars is well developed it tells you something about the person.

I don't even bother to teach mounts now, apart from labelling them on the hand. I guess Johnny must have come to similar conclusions as he doesn't talk about them. I think William Benham is the best book to study mounts.

Kiran - Quadrants!! Laughing I spent endless hours doing quadrants on the palm & the fingertips! It was amongst the most puzzling, mind-blowing, enjoyable, frustrating, amazing, exhausting things I ever learnt! scratch drunken cheersaffraid Sleep
I don't remember quadranting the mounts but maybe we did. Quadrants are a great idea in theory. The difficulty is putting it into practice. eg how do you delineate the quadrants as the mount has no specific borders. In practise, it is very difficult to use quadrants in face-to-face readings, there just isn't enough time to work it all out! Tho sometimes the quadrants of the handshape are obvious.
(edit - PS. Kiran where did you read about quadrants? I can only think of one book where quadrants are discussed, tho maybe I forgot some others)

Patti it wouldn't be a 16-fold grid, it would be 4 quarters, dividing the mount (or palm, or fingertips) like this (this is left hand)
F |A
E |W

Patti I am always slightly disappointed that you can't see the joy and mind-blowingness (I think I made up that word!) of the 5-element system! Wink
Of course we all have to work in ways that suit us. Yeah it suits my short headline to have 'a very organized system of combinations'. Tho I can't understand why you think it is a "limiting system", when you consider that everything in this world and the Universe is composed of, and can be analysed via, the 5 elements in some combination! Laughing I am happy to see that Kiran is as enthralled with the 5 element system as I am!
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Post  Patti on Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:19 am

Hi Lynn,

I was visualizing the 4 quadrants on each area - mount under each finger across the palm:
AF | AF | AF | AF
EW| EW| EW| EW

It is just unimaginable that this space under the fingers could have a *panel* of checkerboard like meaningful areas. That for instance every lower left corner or 4 blots of this area generally above the heart line, represents a particular same elemental meaning! Good heavens, no wonder you looked elsewhere in the hand!

We've had this discussion before and in the end, we actually *use* a similar system in a subconscious way. I see everything in some sort of spectrum from one end to another. Thin to thick, soft to firm, narrow to wide...etc. and combine these. Your system simply draws lines in certain places along the spectrum. It'd be the same if we were mixing colors. There are 3 primary colors from which all other shades come from. But if elements were a perfect system to use for hands... it would be more balanced... like mixing colors...or a spectrum. In a spectrum system it wouldn't be a concern that there can't be such a thing as a water/earth hand shape.

I think with our technology illustrating such things as, at the center of everything is nothing, and nano particles have been moving faster than the speed of light but we are just now able to measure them; shows that the idea of thinking everything can be realistically divided into Earth, Air, Fire and Water plus the catch all Ether is in reality limited. I've read that Ether was the spirit or soul, but you mentioned earlier, maybe in another thread, that it was the mix of all the elements.

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Post  anand_palm on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:58 am

Hello Patti

Do you think hand is like a transmitter of signal in some sense like a circuit board which sends signal or gives signals. of course this inculdes demrtmatolgyphics, lines, palm, fingers. from that sense elemental system cannot be used but concept of how thinghs are connected needs to be looked at.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:22 am

Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi,

I see many authors giving importance to finger length and finger positioning.
However, I never see any significance being given for mounts and the apex on them.
For ex: Johnny's book never discusses anything on these! (That's one example)

Any idea - why?

Hello Kiran Katawa,

Thank you for presenting this question!

Patti's second post includes important info about how the apex (= triradius) relates to the mounts of the fingers. I would like to add that scientific researchers have found that the formation of the dermatoglyphics explains why the apex is always found positioned BETWEEN the mounts - which implicates that the mounts below the fingers are actually positioned BETWEEN the fingers... and there are only three of them: one between the pinky finger and ring finger (where one often finds a distal loop in the dermatoglyphics), one between the ring finger and the middle finger (often there is a distal loop), and one between the middle finger and the index finger (usually NOT featured with a distal loop).

Contrary, some palmistry authors have claimed that the apex represents the 'highest point' of the mount of the fingers. But this is an incorrect assumption.


This implicates that one should better NOT associate the apex and the mounts - like is (implicitely) suggested by your question: 'What About Mounts and Apex On Them?'

Because the apex is not "on" the mounts... it is positioned BETWEEN the mounts!

Does this make sense for you now?


PS. The patterns visualized in the picture below show the most common places where loop (or whorls) can be found... the center of these formations should be understood as indicative for the location of the mounts (though regarding the locations in the palm: please be aware that most people only have 1 or 2 palmar loops in each hand).



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Post  Patti on Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:50 pm

anand_palm wrote:Hello Patti

Do you think hand is like a transmitter of signal in some sense like a circuit board which sends signal or gives signals. of course this inculdes demrtmatolgyphics, lines, palm, fingers. from that sense elemental system cannot be used but concept of how thinghs are connected needs to be looked at.

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Yes!

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Post  anand_palm on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:18 pm

Hello Patti

I do know we get shock ect when touch using the hand and it is an electrical transmitter. Do you think the ridges are like circuit (electrical wires) which transmitt signals or do they process signals. But the question will be how would you prove that hand is like a circuit board. If so what kind of circuit board. according to palmistry the personality ciricuit board happy move

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Post  Patti on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:24 pm

anand_palm wrote:Hello Patti

I do know we get shock ect when touch using the hand and it is an electrical transmitter. Do you think the ridges are like circuit (electrical wires) which transmitt signals or do they process signals. But the question will be how would you prove that hand is like a circuit board. If so what kind of circuit board. according to palmistry the personality ciricuit board happy move

Thanks
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Cells transmit signals.

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Post  anand_palm on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:29 pm

Hello Patti

Where are these and what kind of cells, iam not that great in biology.

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Post  Parender on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:14 pm

Hi Anand,


You can look at http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071024134237AAFsTq3 or some other places for your answer. Perhaps, the following answer can be of some help.
There they say “the epidermis is made of epithelial tissue, comprised mostly of simple squamous cells.

The dermis is connective tissue, including: vascular (blood), aerolar, elastic, dense irregular, and maybe some others.There are a lot of fibroblasts (type of cells) in this tissue. Muscles are made of muscular tissue- skeletal, but not sure of the cell type. Finally, the bone is also connective tissue- osseous, comprised of osteocytes.”

That was a reply in answer to the question: What type of cells - tissues make up a human hand?

Many of us may not be great in biology. I don't know about others but I cannot understand or remember all that. But Patti’s answer was enough I think.

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Post  Patti on Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:06 pm

anand_palm wrote:Hello Patti

Where are these and what kind of cells, iam not that great in biology.

Anand

Hi Anand,
Yes Parender is correct, this would be something easy to google. I'd recommend also taking a look at neurons and dendrites.

(also check out the video at this link: http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t1667-wisdom-of-the-crowd )

But, this is going off topic here.

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Post  Patti on Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:59 am

Kiran.Katawa wrote:
Before going to that: Will positioning be considered, if the mount is not bulging?
My understanding so far is: bulging should be considered. 'coz, a bulge would indicate the presence of energy.

It might have been better if long ago the 'namers of things' had not called the areas under the fingers, mounts. We are still dealing with 4 digits and looking at the territory over the metacarpals.

I recall a long time ago seeing an illustration showing dots over an x-ray showing how the triradius and the joints below were related. I've looked for it today, but couldn't find it.

The energy level of a bulging 'mount' area ( Smile ) is different when this is bulging and firm from when it is bulging and soft. A slightly bulging but firm area has more energy than full and flabby.

In my opinion, many of the fine creases across these 'mounts' form from a continuation of inflating and deflating. A person with a constant constitution will have less fine lines.

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Post  Kiran.Katawa on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:18 am

Lynn wrote:

There seems to be no consistent way to measure mounts, so it's difficult to compare one person's mounts with another person's mounts. Most mounts seem to be displaced. To be honest, I hardly even look at digital mounts now unless they are extremely well developed. The palmar mounts of course are more important (in my opinion) eg if luna or mars is well developed it tells you something about the person.


Kiran - Quadrants!! Laughing I spent endless hours doing quadrants on the palm & the fingertips! It was amongst the most puzzling, mind-blowing, enjoyable, frustrating, amazing, exhausting things I ever learnt! scratch drunken cheersaffraid Sleep
I don't remember quadranting the mounts but maybe we did. Quadrants are a great idea in theory. The difficulty is putting it into practice. eg how do you delineate the quadrants as the mount has no specific borders. In practise, it is very difficult to use quadrants in face-to-face readings, there just isn't enough time to work it all out! Tho sometimes the quadrants of the handshape are obvious.
(edit - PS. Kiran where did you read about quadrants? I can only think of one book where quadrants are discussed, tho maybe I forgot some others)

Hi Lynn,
Actually, I also thought that, measuring the mount would be a challenge. But, wanted a confirmation. However, Martijn's answer has more details below.

About Quadarants: I am sure that I read it on Net and in some materials of IIHA. But, don't remember the link! Yes, divison of mount into quadarants is difficult. Isn't it the same case with hand itself? Where do you draw the vertical line - mid of Saturn finger?
But, this would be helpful in assessing the "area" of impact, when the placement of some symbols/lines is pretty clear w.r.t. quadarnt. For ex: If a star is placed in the water quadarnt of Jupiter mount. That's I think of using it.



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Post  Kiran.Katawa on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:38 am

Patti wrote:
It is just unimaginable that this space under the fingers could have a *panel* of checkerboard like meaningful areas. That for instance every lower left corner or 4 blots of this area generally above the heart line, represents a particular same elemental meaning! Good heavens, no wonder you looked elsewhere in the hand!

We've had this discussion before and in the end, we actually *use* a similar system in a subconscious way. I see everything in some sort of spectrum from one end to another. Thin to thick, soft to firm, narrow to wide...etc. and combine these. Your system simply draws lines in certain places along the spectrum. It'd be the same if we were mixing colors. There are 3 primary colors from which all other shades come from. But if elements were a perfect system to use for hands... it would be more balanced... like mixing colors...or a spectrum. In a spectrum system it wouldn't be a concern that there can't be such a thing as a water/earth hand shape.

I think with our technology illustrating such things as, at the center of everything is nothing, and nano particles have been moving faster than the speed of light but we are just now able to measure them; shows that the idea of thinking everything can be realistically divided into Earth, Air, Fire and Water plus the catch all Ether is in reality limited. I've read that Ether was the spirit or soul, but you mentioned earlier, maybe in another thread, that it was the mix of all the elements.

sunny
Hi Patti,

"That for instance every lower left corner or 4 blots of this area generally above the heart line, represents a particular same elemental meaning! "
why can't be? When lower-left corner of every hand represents same elemental meaning? Smile
Anyways, I understand the validity of your question. Do you consider dividing the hand in active/passive and inner/outer zones?( 4 quadarants?). And how do you differentiate a start placed on the lower-left quadrant of the mount of Jupiter from that of a star placed on upper-right quadrant of Jupiter?
In nature - everything is 5E; within that every "thing" there are many things which are also made up of 5E. For ex: In nature, birds, animals, humans are made up of 5E. Now, with in human body, diff. parts of it are made up of 5E. So, why shouldn't be a square of 4 quadarants placed within the square of 4 quadarants?

I didn't understand what you're trying to say with the concept of range/spectrum. Even the mixture of 4 elements( like 3 colors) we have a huge range of spectrum?

About Ether: Yeah, I remember that line by Lynn. It is energy( called soul/prana/chi). What Lynn might have meant was - Missing of even one element completely will remove the "Prana/Energy" from you. For ex: if air circulation is stopped to human body: The "Prana/Energy" will go.

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Post  Kiran.Katawa on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:45 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi,

I see many authors giving importance to finger length and finger positioning.
However, I never see any significance being given for mounts and the apex on them.
For ex: Johnny's book never discusses anything on these! (That's one example)

Any idea - why?

Hello Kiran Katawa,

Thank you for presenting this question!

Patti's second post includes important info about how the apex (= triradius) relates to the mounts of the fingers. I would like to add that scientific researchers have found that the formation of the dermatoglyphics explains why the apex is always found positioned BETWEEN the mounts - which implicates that the mounts below the fingers are actually positioned BETWEEN the fingers... and there are only three of them: one between the pinky finger and ring finger (where one often finds a distal loop in the dermatoglyphics), one between the ring finger and the middle finger (often there is a distal loop), and one between the middle finger and the index finger (usually NOT featured with a distal loop).

Contrary, some palmistry authors have claimed that the apex represents the 'highest point' of the mount of the fingers. But this is an incorrect assumption.


This implicates that one should better NOT associate the apex and the mounts - like is (implicitely) suggested by your question: 'What About Mounts and Apex On Them?'

Because the apex is not "on" the mounts... it is positioned BETWEEN the mounts!

Does this make sense for you now?


PS. The patterns visualized in the picture below show the most common places where loop (or whorls) can be found... the center of these formations should be understood as indicative for the location of the mounts (though regarding the locations in the palm: please be aware that most people only have 1 or 2 palmar loops in each hand).


Martijn, got it. Thanks! No association b/w mounts and apex.

Do you have any info on the triradii(apex)'s significance?
And when you say "distal loop", you're referring to the loop of humor(b/w ring and Mercury fingers), loop of industry(b/w Saturn and ring fingers) etc. right?



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Post  Patti on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:53 am

Kiran.Katawa wrote: For ex: If a star is placed in the water quadarnt of Jupiter mount. That's I think of using it.



Hi Kiran, I realize that this is directed to Lynn, but it's this way of applying a system that I find a little disturbing. Well, actually very disturbing.

Applying a quadrant like system to each of the areas under the fingers relates to assuming that the hand is in agreement to this system. How would one go about deciding which quadrant is which element for that matter? What would be the qualifications? Would someone just 'make it up'? i.e. Earth is always lower left on the left hand and lower right on the right hand - without any research or studies to see if it's valid?

And.........if the hand was so segmented into elements, one could rationalize the brain would have been naturally divided into lobes that dealt with these elements individually.

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Post  Lynn on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:04 am

(edit I notice someone has posted while I was writing, I've not read it yet!)

Kiran, you make some good points

Late here, but Patti I just want to add re
But if elements were a perfect system to use for hands... it would be more balanced... like mixing colors...or a spectrum
The 5 element system is a spectrum! Of the elements in order of ascending refinement.
From the most static, dense, solid, tangible element (earth) to the most dispersed, invisible, discrete, intangible (air).
as Kiran says, the primary colours are red, yellow and blue, and yet you can find a spectrum of colours from mixing those. With elements (excluding ether) we have one more to add to the mix/spectrum.
re mixing colours and "it wouldn't be a concern that there can't be such a thing as a water/earth hand shape". But what if we were to eliminate "sludgy brown" from the colour spectrum. Doesn't that reduce the number of colours that you can mix in the wonderful spectrum? ;-)


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Post  anand_palm on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:05 am

Hello Parinder

Thanks for stepping in, i will find out. anway since patti might know exactly what kind of cell i should look for i asked her that question. Because cell could mean anythingh in biology, however a specific cell connected to carrying signals may be different and might be difficult to find out from the net is the reason why i asked patti.

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Re: What About Mounts and Apex On Them?

Post  Patti on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:29 am

Kiran.Katawa wrote:
Patti wrote:
It is just unimaginable that this space under the fingers could have a *panel* of checkerboard like meaningful areas. That for instance every lower left corner or 4 blots of this area generally above the heart line, represents a particular same elemental meaning! Good heavens, no wonder you looked elsewhere in the hand!

We've had this discussion before and in the end, we actually *use* a similar system in a subconscious way. I see everything in some sort of spectrum from one end to another. Thin to thick, soft to firm, narrow to wide...etc. and combine these. Your system simply draws lines in certain places along the spectrum. It'd be the same if we were mixing colors. There are 3 primary colors from which all other shades come from. But if elements were a perfect system to use for hands... it would be more balanced... like mixing colors...or a spectrum. In a spectrum system it wouldn't be a concern that there can't be such a thing as a water/earth hand shape.

I think with our technology illustrating such things as, at the center of everything is nothing, and nano particles have been moving faster than the speed of light but we are just now able to measure them; shows that the idea of thinking everything can be realistically divided into Earth, Air, Fire and Water plus the catch all Ether is in reality limited. I've read that Ether was the spirit or soul, but you mentioned earlier, maybe in another thread, that it was the mix of all the elements.

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Hi Patti,

"That for instance every lower left corner or 4 blots of this area generally above the heart line, represents a particular same elemental meaning! "
why can't be? When lower-left corner of every hand represents same elemental meaning? Smile
Anyways, I understand the validity of your question. Do you consider dividing the hand in active/passive and inner/outer zones?( 4 quadarants?). And how do you differentiate a start placed on the lower-left quadrant of the mount of Jupiter from that of a star placed on upper-right quadrant of Jupiter?
In nature - everything is 5E; within that every "thing" there are many things which are also made up of 5E. For ex: In nature, birds, animals, humans are made up of 5E. Now, with in human body, diff. parts of it are made up of 5E. So, why shouldn't be a square of 4 quadarants placed within the square of 4 quadarants?

I didn't understand what you're trying to say with the concept of range/spectrum. Even the mixture of 4 elements( like 3 colors) we have a huge range of spectrum?

About Ether: Yeah, I remember that line by Lynn. It is energy( called soul/prana/chi). What Lynn might have meant was - Missing of even one element completely will remove the "Prana/Energy" from you. For ex: if air circulation is stopped to human body: The "Prana/Energy" will go.

I do divide the hand. Thumb side more outward and conscious and little finger side more subscious. Dominant hand and non- dominant hands add influence. Such as non dominant little finger would be very inner-inner expression or very subconscious. Palm towards fingers is more sensual and emotional and toward the wrist more related to urges and primal behavior. How the head and heart lines cut into these two areas is important to me. For instance, completely transversal head or heart lines cut one area from the other.

I like your last line about missing one element stops the human body. Which reiterates how interconnected they are. I looked up the elements and of course came to huge charts of basic elements when I googled the word. I thought about what is water, or air... H20. Then wondered if you can separate the hydrogen from the oxygen in water and looked that up and read about the Hindenburg and was amazed how a fiery explosion resulted in water. So what is water but air and gas and the two can make fire and energy etc.

In the end all elements are mixed and all parts of the hands are mixed.

I wouldn't give as much significance to a star formation in a particular quadrant of a mount per se. I would look to see what influenced the formation of this configuration. How the hand flexes - what is pulling the creases their way would be important. If the 'star' is small enough to fit into a quarter of a section immediately under a finger, then it is small enough to be temporary.

The idea of spectrum would relate to polarities and all the areas inbetween.




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