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Post  Handreadered on Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:15 am

The Revitalization of Dermatoglyphics Conference report

The conference was opened by Mr. Chen, principal of the Taiwan Wen-Sham special education school. Dean Mary Lai, founder and chairman of MME gave some opening remarks followed by Mr. Shen Guo-wen, director of the Nanjing Zhi Wen Museum, a museum dedicated to the hand, who briefly discussed the Chinese 5,000 year history of perusal of the hand. I followed with a discussion of information one can derive from observations of the general morphology and flexibility of parts of the hand and some mismatched thumb prints. Full hand analysis has now become an accepted part of dermatoglyphic studies since my presentation calling for the reintegration of hand analysis-palmistry with dermatoglyphics and criminal forensic fingerprint analysis, was accepted last year in Kunming at the 7th National Conference of the Chinese Dermatoglyphic Association. A revision of that recommendation is now coming out in print in an article in a new book entitled: “Biology and Behaviour in Anthropological Research: Essays in Honour of Prof. L.S. Penrose” currently being edited by some leading Indian dermatoglyphic teachers including a former student at the Galton Laboratories in London. More on that later after I return to Seattle.

My presentation seemed to be well received by most of those attending the conference. But I m told in second hand feed back, that some of the more pedantic where looking for the”scientific” graphs and statistical reports to support findings. One of my responses might have been if these so called exerts in dermatoglyphics had known anything about palmistry, had examined at least a thousand pairs of hand before they did their statistical studies, and learned that the different fingers correspond to different behavioral characteristics, they would not have made so many of the apparent errors that were rife in the dermatoglyphic studies in the twentieth century, and make many of them so unreliable or otherwise useless. But I held my tongue, and no one has directly challenged me. Mary Lai has demonstrated that statistical analysis can be applied to our hypotheses .and I leave it to others to interview the thousands equal to the number I have interviewed over the years to gather the statistical evidence to confirm or dispute my findings. I merely provide them with the starting points

My presentation was followed by my host last summer in Kunming, the chairman of the Chinese Dermatoglyphic Association, Professor Zhang Jai-guo, from the faculty of the school of medicine, Shanghai Jiao Tong University. Dr. Zhang discussed the history of dermatoglyphics and how it is an expanding science. He is one of the recognized experts of the geographic ethnological identification of the 56 different recognized ethnic groups in China through the use of dermatoglyphic identification. In recent years he has been teaching over 300 new students a year in dermatoglyphics.

Mary Lai presented Dr. Wang Chen-xia’s contribution as neither Dr. Wang, being one of the precious treasures of China, nor Prof. Shao Zi-wan, who has some governmental position or association, were permitted by the PRC to come to Taiwan this year. Dr. Wang was in Taiwan for the 2006 conference. I have worked some with Dr. Wang in the past on some ideas for the future of medical hand diagnostics and have seen some of her presentations. This one was very illuminating but I missed seeing Dr. Wang as we both share a keen interest in the medical diagnostic properties of dermatoglyphics. Although I bow to her expertise in diagnostic hand analysis, I believe we have complimentary approaches. I have been to her school and clinic and seen her research library, that includes a collection of the twenty five thousand pairs of hand photographs and prints she has collected to help form her opinions over the last quarter of a century or more. The Chinese Government recognizes her special ability in this field. Dr. Wang’s contribution to this conference was entitled: “Palmmedicology: An Important Medical Tool for Disease Prevention.” Thew Asians have few if any pedantic hang ups with the use of the term palmistry.

Mary Lai followed this with a representation on the relationship between footprints, hands and health. The organization she founded, Mind Measurement Education (MME), uses the dermatoglyphics of both the hands and the feet in the studies of the human condition. Mary has been at this for about 30 years and I would say the vast majority of the 150 who attended were her students. My interpreter, who currently lives in Leeds, UK, is her former administrative assistant and will be the chief trainer at the first training that I will sponsor later in the year in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S. (in or near Seattle, Washington). The MME program, and derivatives can now be found in China, Taiwan and SE Asia and has been copied by the PDC people from Israel and partially incorporated into their programs. Unfortunately, much of this has been done without giving MME credit or payment. Those working from my trainings will be contributing directly to the future work of MME.

While at the conference I met some people from Indonesia, Bali, who had started to get MME assessments in 2008, now have certified MME personnel there, and have actually made 2000 assessment since they started the program. I now have some friends in Bali when I want to vacation there.

Mary Lai’s presentation was followed by those of Ed. Edward H. H. Hung, ND, CNLP (US) and director of the Everbest Medical & Heath Care Center in Hong Kong and Dr. Lin Ping Guang, Psychiatrist, Officer of the Psychological Health Guidance Centre of China Association of Social Workers and director of the Ye Ming Medical Equipment Institute, PRC. Their presentations were on the integration approach of applying dermatoglyphics in clinical use.

Mary Lai then spoke more of the work of MME and presented a group from the Xiamen Siming, China, District Special Education School including Mrs. Xie B.Zhen, director, Ms. Gan Xiao (Senior Teacher), Ms Zin Mei (Senior Teacher) and Mary Lai as a Tutor. They presented a program on using Dermatoglyphics in formulating appropriate education strategies for special needs students. These presentations were accompanied both by statistical studies and individual case studies and I will post some examples of those case studies on my FB photo page later this week on return to Seattle. MME makes the finger print - finger connections that were so often missed in other dermatoglyphic studies.

After this Ms. Lee made a presentation of dermatoglyphics use in sensory integration training. Ms. Zhan Ming Hui added Experience sharing: Applying Dermatoglyphics in Sensory Integration Assessment and Designing Corresponding Training. That concluded a very full first day of the conference.

The second day started out with a presentation in the area f traditional dermatoglyphics, much as we did at the IBMBS conference last year in Las Vegas with two representatives from Nigeria in
Africa. Professor Chen Yao Fung from the Department of Human Development Tzu Chi University contributed a study n the research of the dermatoglyphics of the Taiwan Han People and aborigines. There are some 56 broader ethnic groups in the Chinese mainland and 8 or 9 such groups on Taiwan. The experts here in Asia like to refer to them as different races but we would describe them as sub ethnic groups in the oriental or Asian races. The interest in these “roots” is one of the studies that draws these two sometimes politically antagonistic societies together, though they are also closely linked in trade and other cultural features.

We were then treated to the case studies and experience reports from Xiamen Kang-Le Kindergarten represented by the teachers Ms. Zeing Shu-e, Ms. Zheng yi Ping, Ms. Guo Fei Li, Ms. He Shu Zhen and Ms. Li Li Zhen. They shared their experience in applying dermatoglyphic assessments to help in curriculum planning, child guidance and parental communications in the early years of education. They showed the statistically and case study demonstrable improvements in child development and learning that can be achieved through the use of dermatoglyphic assessments.

Representatives from the Indonesian branch of MME shared their experience with using dermatoglyphics as tools for teenage counseling. I appreciated Samuel Tjandra and Ms. Yunita Christanti’s presentation as it, along with my own, and some slides in Prof Shao’s presentation, were the only ones that contained English translations and I will be able to return to their work for further understanding. We so need to create, (perhaps UN administered or by Google) a translation service repository of all these works and make them available in a variety of languages. It is an expensive but needed service that most of our groups cannot afford.

Professor Shao Zi-wan sent the conference a video clip of her presentation on the Joint Research on Athletes Selection done by China and Taiwan. I especially liked this as there were English “subtitles” and I was able to understand her report much better this time than when I heard in Kunming in the summer of 2009. So far I have been unable to find a translator for Prof. Shao’s book though I believe we have complimentary work that could be very useful in future athletic programs and even the design of sports equipment. Prof. Shao studied the top athletes in China including world class and Olympian competitors and champions using hand dermatoglyphics. She apparently had unhindered access to these athletes. She discovered a significantly increased number of double loops/whorl on the fingerprints of the top athletes. Unfortunately, she followed the twentieth century standard dermatoglyphic standards of only counting prints without regard to fingers. However, her findings did cause me to reevaluate some features of the double whorl and double loop and double whorl patterns that I will present for the first time tomorrow at my first class in Taiwan. It will be on the subject of finger morphology, flexibility and dermatoglyphics.

After lunch on the second day we changed gears, so to speak, and were addressed by Mr. Liu, a pilot and pilot trainer who shared how dermatoglyphics could be used to predict success or failure in pilot training and in the actual career. The title of his work was applying dermatoglyphic assessments in pilot selection and was based upon statistical studies, case studies and many years of experience. Again, his methods tied in with the MME methods. His report covered both military and commercial purposes and presented methods of selection far superior to the multitude of written tests currently used. We could see how the same sort of assessments could be used in choosing air traffic controllers among other careers..

Two MME lecturers, Ms. Lai Cui Yuen and Ms. Zhuang Zi Yin then presented papers with statistics and case studies on the relationship between written language ability assessment and dermatoglyphic assessment. These illustrated how useful dermatoglyphic assessments can be in describing each individual child and his or her strengths and weaknesses and how strategies can be developed to help each of these children.

Ms. Wang Yin Zi opened the section on brain development through music and introduced Ms. Yevon Chen Yun Wen. Ms. Zi is a MME researcher and Ms. Wen is a senior MME researcher and music teacher. Their presentations with case studies and supportive statistical analyzes, were a continuation of the subject of teaching assisted by dermatoglyphic assessments and how this assessment can help the teacher and parent understand the problems and potentials of the use of music in child development.

Another senior MME researcher and educator shared experiences and case studies in applying dermatoglyphic assessments in gaging foreign language learning abilities and designing corresponding teaching strategies. As you can see, the conference was heavily weighted towards educators, but then that is Mary Lai’s background. However I was not made to wear the dunce cap and sit in the corner and felt very much at home. Mary Lai, who is also somewhat of an artist, made the last presentation an material she has been gathering over the last thirty years on the relationship of dermatoglyphic patterns to the ways that children and people draw.

After the conference my translator, Ms. Miffy Lai Loxton (no relation to Mary Lai) and I joined Mary Lai and her family, some senior MME researchers and friends for some Japanese Barbecue. Nice time was had by all.

I plan to introduce classes on the MME programs this fall and later my own work as the related computer program becomes available to assist assessments. Mary’s program is now ready and with learning some simple work on taking and identifying hand and foot print data, and leaning to use a provided fingerprint scanner, her dermatoglyphic assessments can be provided though the Internet. I will be posting more on this later or you can contact me at ed@edcampbell.,com if interested. Place “MME Assessments” in the subject line or my spam catcher will probably block you.. Some investment will be required not only for the training and certification but also for the equipment as well as background checks of those who qualify because you will be dealing with children and vulnerable people.

Our next IBMBS conference will now be in Kuala Lumpur on July 29, 30 and 31, 2010. I met with Lysander Poon from Malaysia, Mary Lai and others this afternoon to pin down some of the key points. Lysander advises that he expects at least 70 to attend from Malaysia and we expect good attendance from Taiwan, China, and Indonesia so we are currently planning on a conference attendance of at least 150. I will be sending a circular out on the conference n the next couple of weeks. Registration fees will be lower and will include the banquet on the second evening as well as lunches on all days. Those whose papers are accepted for presentation will not be charged registration fees. We are exploring honorariums for some who might not otherwise be able to attend to make presentations and will be actively seeking both sponsorship and endorsements for the conference. Materials and presentations will be made in both English and Chinese, belong to IBMBS and will be available after the conference and to all persons attending the conference either in CD or book form. If you not on my mailing list and desire further information on the conference, send me an email with IBMBS 2011 Conference in the subject line. This will be our fifth and now largest international conference. We are coming of age. cheers

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:24 pm

Hi Ed,

Great to see that you found the new forum, and thank your for your conference update!

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Post  Lynn on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:55 pm

Thanks for telling us about the conference Ed.
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:35 pm

... by the way, for those who are not yet aware of Ed's work I would like to recommend the following items:

- Ed has written a fabulous article about the history of 'Fingerprints & Dermatoglyphics', which is available at his website: http://www.edcampbell.com/PalmD-History.htm

- his book, titled: 'The Encyclopedia of Palmistry', which is probably the most detailed encyclopedia available in the field of palmistry; a preview of his book is available at google books: http://books.google.com/books?id=1_gtAAAAYAAJ


I think the many details in both items illustrate that Ed is an excellent reviewer of the palmistry literature.

By the way, his book belongs also listed in the TOP 10 of the most recommended books by experts from the 'Global Palm Reading Network': http://www.handresearch.com/book/palmistry-books-recommended-palm-reading.htm


NOTICE: Ed's book is available in various prints:

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Post  Handreadered on Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:05 pm

Martijn, Thanks for the plug. I believe the meeting of the East and the West in these international conferences and on the web and the creation of international friendships that we have experienced over the last ten years or so have and will at an ever accelerating rate, greatly benefit the rapid advanceement of the sciences of palmistry, hand analysis and other forms of behavioral and medical biometric understanding and beneficial use.

Let me know if my encyclopedia is no longer avaiable for a reasonable price on the web and I will consider republishing it.
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Post  TruthSeeker on Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:36 am

Thanks for the great summary, Ed. I have always been curious regrading the content of such conferences and the backgrounds of the attendees. Its is also interesting to see all the ways dermatoglyphics is applied in quite diverse fields. Really quite fascinating!

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:47 pm

Ed, regarding your question about the availability of your book - at Amazon are (new & used) copies still available for a reasonable price.

$50 for a new (paperback) copy - maybe the price has now started growing? See:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0399519777?tag=handresearchc-20&camp=213381&creative=390973&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=0399519777&adid=0SDQDPPEFS9Q56Z1M6MK&

Anyway, in the TOP 100 books update that I presented last week - your book (now listed at no.19) belongs to the few that have show stable sales rank improvement during the past 2 updates - :
http://www.handresearch.com/book/palmistry-top-100-amazon-books-11-20.htm


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Corrected 2010 Taiwan Report with Picture

Post  Handreadered on Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:26 am

Report On The Revitalization of Dermatoglyphics Conference
By Edward D. Campbell
At the end of July, 2010, Mind Measurement Education Association of Taiwan held its second international conference on the theme of revitalization of dermatoglyphics. For those unfamiliar with the term dermatoglyphics, it refers to skin patterns, principally those patterns on the fingers and palms of the hands and the toes and soles of the feet. They begin to develop between the eighth and tenth week of gestation and may be discerned as patterns by around the thirteenth week with being fully formed by the eighteenth to twenty third week of gestation. They appear to reflect the development of the fetus during this period as they are the result of both nature and nurture. Nature, of course, is the genetic traits related to the patterns that are used in anthropology and ethnology in studies of relationships of population groups, and were a principal tool in genetics before the 8nderstanding of the configuration and roll of DNA. As a science it is still considered a part of Anthropological and Ethnological studies though has been used in medicine and as seen in this report, in human behavioral assessments. The author of this report, whose interest is in behavioral and medical biometrics, had the honor of being the only western contributor to this conference and being a leading presenter on the opening day. The conference was attended by about 150 people principally from mainland China and Taiwan, Malaysia and Indonesia.
The conference was opened by Mr. Chen, principal of the Taiwan Wen-Sham special education school. Dean Mary Lai, founder and chairman of MME gave some opening remarks followed by Mr. Shen Guo-wen, director of the Nanjing Zhi Wen Museum, a museum dedicated to the hand, who briefly discussed the Chinese 5,000 year history of perusal of the hand. I followed with a discussion of information one can derive from observations of the general morphology and flexibility of parts of the hand and some mismatched thumb prints. Full hand analysis has now become an accepted part of dermatoglyphic studies since my presentation calling for the reintegration of hand analysis-palmistry with dermatoglyphics and criminal forensic fingerprint analysis, was accepted last year in Kunming at the 7th National Conference of the Chinese Dermatoglyphic Association, part of the China Union of Anthropological and Ethnological Sciences in conjunction with the 16th World Congress of the International Union of Anthropological and Ethnological Sciences.. A revision of that recommendation is now coming out in print in an article in a new book entitled: "Biology and Behaviour in Anthropological Research: Essays in Honour of Prof. L.S. Penrose" being edited by Dr. Sudip Datta Banik, former Senior Lecturer in Biological Anthropology, Vidyasagar University and now a visiting Professor in Mexico, and his teacher, Professor Dr. D.P. Mukherjee, Former Professor of Biological Anthropology and Human Genetics in the Department of Anthropology of Calcutta University, India. Professor Mukherjee was a Ph.D student of Late Professor L.S. Penrose and Professor S.B.Holt at Galton Laboratory in London, UK during 1960s.
My presentation was followed by my host last summer in Kunming, the chairman of the Chinese Dermatoglyphic Association, Professor Zhang Jai-guo, from the faculty of the Department of Medical Genetics, Shanghai Jiao Tong University, Shanghai, China. Dr. Zhang discussed the history of dermatoglyphics and how it is an expanding science. He is one of the recognized experts of the geographic ethnological identification of the 56 different recognized ethnic groups in China through the use of dermatoglyphic identification. He is the lead and co-author of the recent paper "Dermatoglyphics from All Chinese Ethnic Groups Reveal Geographic Patterning" which may be found on the web on Open Access. In recent years he has been teaching over 300 new students a year in dermatoglyphics.
Dean Mary Lai made Dr. Wang Chen-xia’s presentation as neither Dr. Wang, being one of the precious treasures of China, nor Prof. Shao Zi-wan, who has some governmental position or association, were permitted by the PRC to come to Taiwan this year. Dr. Wang was in Taiwan for the 2006 conference. I have worked some with Dr. Wang in the past on some ideas for the future uses of medical hand diagnostics and have seen some of her presentations. This one was very illuminating but I missed seeing Dr. Wang as we both share a keen interest in the medical diagnostic properties of dermatoglyphics. Although I bow to her expertise in diagnostic hand analysis, I believe we have complimentary approaches. I have been to her school and clinic in Kunming and seen her research library that includes her collection of the twenty five thousand pairs of hand photographs and prints collected in her medical studies to help form her opinions over the last quarter of a century or more. The Chinese Government recognizes her special ability in this field. Dr. Wang’s contribution to this conference was entitled: "Palmmedicology: An Important Medical Tool for Disease Prevention." The Asians have few if any pedantic hang ups with the use of variations of the term palmistry.
Dean Mary Lai followed this with presentation on the relationship between footprints, hands and health. The organization she founded, Mind Measurement Education (MME), uses the dermatoglyphics of both the hands and the feet in the studies of the human condition. Mary has been at this for about 30 years and I would say the vast majority of the 150 who attended were her students. My interpreter, who currently lives in Leeds, UK, is her former administrative assistant and will be the chief trainer at the first training that I will sponsor later in the year in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S. (in or near Seattle, Washington). The MME program, and derivatives, can now be found in China, Taiwan and SE Asia and has been copied by the some from Israel and partially incorporated into their programs. Unfortunately, much of this has been done without giving MME credit or payment, pure plagiarism. Those working from my trainings will be contributing directly to the future work of MME without plagiarism, even when my own work is included..
While at the conference I met some people from Bali in Indonesia, with the Tunas Duad Christian School, who with guidance from mary lai and now their own MME certified assessors have actually made 2000 assessment since they started the program. They gave great credit for the improvement in their education programs and individual student achievement to this program.
Dean Mary Lai’s presentation was followed by those of Dr. Edward H. H. Hung, ND, CNLP (US) and director of the Everbest Medical & Heath Care Center in Hong Kong and Dr. Lin Ping Guang, Psychiatrist, Officer of the Psychological Health Guidance Centre of China Association of Social Workers and director of the Ye Ming Medical Equipment Institute, PRC. Their presentations were on the integration approach of applying dermatoglyphics in clinical use.
After this presentation, Mr. Lee Jian Wah, Guang Zhou Medical Professions Union, made a presentation on Experience Sharing, Applying dermatoglyphics in sensory integration assessment and designing corresponding training. Ms. Cheung Ming Hui, MME lecturer, also addressed the topic. That concluded a very full first day of the conference. Again in almost all presentation case studies and statistical analyses were included.
The second day started out with a presentation in the area of traditional dermatoglyphics, much as we did at the IBMBS conference last year in Las Vegas with two representatives from Nigeria in Africa. Professor Chen Yao Fung from the Department of Human Development Tzu Chi University contributed a study on the research of the dermatoglyphics of the Taiwan Han People and aborigines. There are some 56 broader ethnic groups in the Chinese mainland and 8 or 9 such groups on Taiwan. The sometimes experts in Asia like to refer to them as different races but we would describe them as ethnic groups within the oriental or Asian races. The interest in these "roots" is one of the studies that draws these two sometimes politically antagonistic societies from the mainland and Taiwan together, though they are also closely linked in trade and other cultural features including a common written language.
Dean Mary Lai then spoke more of the work of MME and presented a group from the Chinese Xiamen Siming, District Special Education, including representatives from the Xiamen Education Department, Xiamen Teachers development School and the Xiamen Kang-Le Kindegarten: Mrs. Xie B.Zhen, director, Ms. Gan Xiao Ling (Senior Teacher), Ms Jin Mei (Senior Teacher) all with Mary Lai as a tutor. They presented developed programs on using dermatoglyphics in formulating appropriate education strategies for special needs students. They shared their experience in applying dermatoglyphic assessments to help in curriculum planning, child guidance and parental communications in the early years of education. These presentations were accompanied both by statistical studies and individual case studies. The MME program makes the vital finger print - finger connections that were so often missed in other dermatoglyphic studies and makes these studies and programs possible.
Representatives from the Indonesian branch of MME shared their experience with using dermatoglyphics as tools for teenage counseling and even brought an example who learned to overcome his rage. I appreciated this presentation of Samuel Tjandra and Ms. Yunita Christanti, as it, along with my own, and some slides in Prof Shao’s presentation, were the only ones that contained English translations and I will be able to return to their work for further instruction. We so need to create, (perhaps UN administered or by Google) a translation service repository of all these works and make them available in a variety of languages. It is an expensive but needed service that most of our groups cannot afford. We still suffer from the "Tower of Babble."
Professor Shao Zi-wan sent the conference a video clip of her presentation on the Joint Research on Athletes Selection done by China and Taiwan. I especially liked this as there were English "subtitles" and I was able to understand her report much better this time than when I heard in Kunming in the summer of 2009. So far I have been unable to find a translator for Prof. Shao’s book though I believe we have conducted complimentary work that could be very useful in future athletic programs and even the design of sports equipment and training programs. Prof. Shao studied the top athletes in China, including world class and Olympian competitors and champions using hand dermatoglyphics. She apparently had remarkable unhindered access to these athletes. She discovered a significantly increased number of double loop/double whorl patterns (composites) on the fingerprints of the top athletes. Unfortunately, she followed a twentieth century standard dermatoglyphic approach of only counting prints without regard to which fingers they were found on. However, her findings did cause me to reevaluate some features of the double whorl and double loop patterns that I presented for the first time in a class I taught in Taiwan two days after the conference. That class was on the subject of finger morphology, flexibility and dermatoglyphics.
After lunch on the second day we changed gears, so to speak, and were treated to the presentation by MME researchers Mr. Liu Wen Long, a pilot and pilot trainer and Ms. Yunita Christianti, who shared how dermatoglyphics could be used to predict success or failure in pilot training and in the actual pilot careers. The title of this work was applying dermatoglyphic assessments in pilot selection and was based upon statistical studies, case studies and many years of experience. Mr. Liu’s report covered both military and commercial purposes and presented methods of selection far superior to the multitude of written tests currently used. We could see how the same sort of assessments could be used in choosing air traffic controllers among other careers.
Two MME lecturers, Ms. Lai Cui Yuen and Ms. Zhuang Zi Yin then presented papers with statistics and case studies on the relationship between written language ability assessment and dermatoglyphic assessment. These illustrated how useful dermatoglyphic assessments can be in describing each individual child and his or her strengths and weaknesses and how strategies can be developed to help each of these children.
MME researcher and educator Ms. Pan Mei Hui shared experiences and case studies in applying dermatoglyphic to assess foreign language learning abilities and designing corresponding teaching strategies.

Ms. Wang Yin Zi opened the section on brain development through music and introduced Ms. Yevon Chen Yun Wen. Ms. Zi is a MME researcher and Ms. Wen is a senior MME researcher and music teacher. Their presentations with case studies and supportive statistical analyzes, were a continuation of the subject of teaching assisted by dermatoglyphic assessments and how this assessment can help the teacher and parent understand the problems and potentials of the use of music in child development.
As one can see, the conference was heavily weighted towards educators, but then that is Mary Lai’s background. However I was not made to wear the dunce cap and sit in the corner and felt very much at home. Mary Lai, who is also somewhat of an artist, made the last presentation an material she has been gathering over the last thirty years on the relationship of dermatoglyphic patterns to the ways that children and people draw.
After the conference I conducted a class on expanded fingerprints covering the wider interpretation of fingerprints not now possible under current dermatoglyphic approaches. This demonstrated maters including subtle differences that can be show and explored through fingerprint variations, including degrees of honesty shown in loops and differences in competitive behavior shown in those with double loops as compared with double whorls and combinations of the two. I discussed the psychological conflicts that could be attributed to mismatched prints and how they might affect athletic performance and the needs for special training and perhaps special sports equipment. I also discussed fingerprints and competition, cooperation, or relentless effort or endeavor, goal planning, project managing, short term project manager, good buying abilities, spontaneity, living in the moment, prefers to work on immediate tasks, making the rules, acting as the judge, following, or not following the rules, focus at work, being a good crisis manager and multiprocessor, and the inability to keep quiet in the face of danger and error. Much of this I can now discuss publically as they form parts of my U.S. patent application No. 12/837,277 filed July 15, 2010.
I plan to introduce classes on the MME programs this fall and later on my own work as the related computer program becomes available to assist assessments. Mary’s program is now ready and with learning some simple work on taking and identifying hand and foot print data, and leaning to use a provided fingerprint scanner, her dermatoglyphic assessments can be provided though the Internet. I will be posting more on this later or you can contact me at ed@edcampbell.,com if interested. Place "MME Assessments" in the subject line or my spam catcher will probably block you. Some investment will be required not only for the training and certification but also for the equipment as well as background checks of those who qualify because you will be dealing with children and vulnerable people. My fingerprint software pattern recognition program is now being developed with the cooperation and guidance of Dr. Vijayan K. Asari, PhD, Ohio Research Scholars Chair in Wide Area Surveillance, Professor in Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Dayton, Dayton, Ohio, USA, and his graduate students. Dr. Asari’s experience includes his former work in charge of the graduate program at the Vision lab at Old Dominion University in Hampton Roads, Virginia, and work for the US Departments of Defense and Homeland Security on development of software for facial recognition programs
The next international conference in this field will be our next IBMBS to be held in Kuala Lumpur on July 29, 30 and 31, 2011. I met with Lysander Poon from Malaysia, Mary Lai and others to pin down some of the key points. Lysander advises that he expects at least 70 to attend from Malaysia and we expect good attendance from Taiwan, China, and Indonesia so we are currently planning on a conference attendance of at least 150. . Registration fees will be lower than at previous conferences and will include the banquet on the second evening as well as lunches on all days. Those whose papers are accepted for presentation will not be charged registration fees. We are exploring honorariums for some who might not otherwise be able to attend to make presentations and will be actively seeking both sponsorship and endorsements for the conference. Materials and presentations will be made in both English and Chinese, belong to IBMBS and will be available after the conference and to all persons attending the conference either in CD or book form. If you are not on our mailing list and desire further information on the conference, send me an email with IBMBS 2011 Conference in the subject line. This will be our fifth and now largest IBMBS conference. Two were held in Las Vegas and one each was held in Budapest and Shanghai.
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Re: MME 2010 Conferece in Taiwan and 2011 IBMBS Conference in Kuala Lumpur

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:42 am

Hi Ed,

Do I understand you new comment correctly?

It appears that you were trying to post a 'correction' on your earlier comment ... but in the title of your 'correction' you mention .... a picture??:

Corrected 2010 Taiwan Report with Picture


But you didn't post a picture???

Haha... ... it would help the readers very much if you additionally explain with a few words what your correction is all about.

(It's not easy to find a correction in 2 lenghty reports ... maybe it would make more sense to EDIT your earlier report? My apologies if I misunderstood your second effort!)

Thank you in advance!!

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Post  Handreadered on Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:49 am

It would be easier for me if the first post was deleted and the second post substituted. Could notfigure out how to post the picture. Will try it again. Still can't figure out how to upload the picture. Nuts. Will post it on the ibmbs.com web site that Jon Miles is updating.
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Hi Ed,

Thanks for your efforts so far.

By the way, you didn't notice the 'edit' buttion? You can always find it next to the title of your post!


Regarding uploading images from your computer, you can only do that after uploading your images to an image hosting program (EDIT: though that is fully integrated with this forum, so you don't have to leave the forum to post pictures).

NOTICE: your idea to upload your picture first to the www.ibmbs.com website ... demonstrates basically how these image hosting programs work!


PS. In the following discussion I have just updated my message about how to upload pictures to this forum:
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/forum-tips-f16/an-impression-of-how-you-can-include-various-features-including-images-with-your-posts-t3.htm


(Ed, at Sue's forum we all had the opportunity to post images directly to her forum, but many members used an image hosting program to post their pictures - slightly more complicated but the major advantage is that people are much more in control over the images that they upload... and they don't have to search the forum to find their images, because they are all listed efficiently in their image hosting account!)



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Post  jeanette on Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:14 pm

Hi,
I have just ordered Ed's book The Encyclopedia of Palmistry at Amazon's used books for £2-34p and £2-75 delivery. Looking forward to receiving it. However, recently I have been buying a lot of books. In the past 3 weeks I have bought 7. Three of which I am enjoying very much. They are The Elements of Handreading by Lori Reid, The Benham book of Palmistry by William G. Benham and Reading your Child's Hand by Anne Hassett. I think Martijin also recommended the first two. I got them all at Amazon's used books for about the same price as Ed's book I have just ordered.
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:16 pm

Hi Jeanette,

I am sure that you will enjoy the book - especially since you are an advanced student in this field.

Ed's book especially demonstrates that there for many hand characteristics there are actually multiple theories available.



PS. Dear Ed, please notice... I made a small edit in my earlier response about how to upload pictures in this forum - nobody has to leave this forum to do that, though you will have to find/use the right buttons!

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Ron wrote:If I can ask, who organizes these conferences? Ed Campbell?
Hi Ron,

Ed is only the initiator of the IBMBS conferences (the 2009 program is still available here: http://www.ibmbs.com/program.html ), but he also reports about other conferences where he is invited as a guest speaker (I never hat the opportunity to see him as a guest speaker, but a few months ago Kenneth Lagerström invited Ed in his Radioshow about hands... where Ed made an eloquent performance!)


PS. Ed already shared a few thoughts at this forum, but history learns that he only participates in the discussions about once a month (or even less frequently), so it might take a while before he responds.

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Ron wrote:If Ed Campbell is the initiator of the IBMBS, is the one who organizes it every year?
Hi Ron,

The IBMBS conference is not organized every year, so far the IBMBS event took place in 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2009 - all organized & hosted by Ed.




PS. Last year I wrote a short review of the IBMBS project so far:
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Ron wrote:Well I would really hope, since a few of us have asked Campbell that the next conference to take place in Europe, since most of us are situated in the Western side of the world (especially Europe, United Kingdom and the United States). It would be good since it will give us all an opportunity to all meet in person.

Since when did Kenneth have his own radio show? This is the first I hear of it.
Hi Ron,

Kenneth presented his online radioshow "Your Life is in Your Hands" earlier this year (march - june), in cooperation with VoiceAmerica:
http://www.voiceamerica.com/voiceamerica/vepisode.aspx?aid=46625


E.g. Jennifer, Lynn & Ed were each featured in one episode - but other hand-experts were also introduced (such as psychologist Susan Goldin-Meadow, who is an expert in hand gestures... I really liked that episode).


Unfortunately, the podcasts are no longer available (Kenneth has spoken out the intention to make the postcast available via his website... but nothing happened since then).

So, we now only have our memories... though I did write a short review of the episode where Lynn was interviewed, see:
http://handfacts.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/your-life-is-in-your-hands-lets-talk-about-the-hand-lines/

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Post  Handreadered on Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:31 pm

There have been four IBMBS conferences. The first was in Las Vegas, the second in Shanghai, the third was in Budapest and the fourth was in Las Vegas. The next will be in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The only person who has discussed with me a conference in Europe was Manfred Magg. We were not able to determine how feasible it would be at the time to plan a conference or how many people we could count on in being there from Europe after the rather poor showing in Budapest, We had one person from England, two from Holland, and three from Germany. The Israeli delegation dropped out about four weeks before the conference and left their presentation to the delegation from New Horizons from Hong Kong. I think we had about seven from China including Taiwan. The Israelis said they could not afford to come. I had no European help in planning or putting on the Budapest conference except for the presentation of Lydia Wagoner. We had several presentations from China. Without some European support there is little hope I will help host a future conference there and Manfred indicated he did not believe that support existed the last time I corresponded with him on the subject.

Our first conference in Shanghai was fairly well attended, especially as it was only our second conference. New Horizons from Hong Kong and Shanghai set up the meeting rooms and hotel. I met their chief representatives, Fritz Pang and Irene Tsang, at our first Las Vegas conference and took their invitation to go to China. While Arnold Holtzman had been to the first conference, he did not attend the second conference in Shanghai but a large continue from Israel CDP, perhaps six or seven, did. The economy must have been better that year for them to afford to travel so far. I do not recall who from Europe was there. At least four of us from North America attended. Following that I attended two larger conferences in China, one hosted by Dr. Wang Chen-xia in Shanghai and the second hosted by Mary Lai and Mind Measurement Education Association in Taipei, Taiwan. I don’t recall if any other westerner attended the Wang Chen-xia conference. I believe some from PDC may have attended the Taipei MME conference and Arnold Holtzman sent a video tape heralding the joining of PDC and MME. I understand Mary Lai was not amused. At these conferences I had the opportunity to meet socially more of the leaders in the Chinese studies of dermatoglyphics. I also met Lysander Poon from Malaysia who since then has been part of a new commercial enterprise using dermatoglyphic assessments as their principal product; GeneCorp. I was introduced to MME’s computer assisted dermatoglyphic assessment program but it was not really ready at the time for release in English. Mary Lai had studied about 10,000 cases before she set up this computer assisted program.

Our second conference in Las Vegas was rather small but we became a closer group. Mary was unable to attend and Dr Wang was ill but represented by her daughter. Francine from Holland joined us and we had a few from North America including Richard Unger who was at our first conference and Yvonne Ballala, a palmist from Albuquerque. Like all of our other IBMBS conferences, representatives of other biometric assessment tools attended. Naomi Tickle, a leading facial profiler was there and Jon Miles, well know in iridology circles was there as he has been on several occasions. We have had other iridologist, a foot expert living in France, and an expert on Lip readings. IBMBS is not dedicated exclusively to, nor owned by those who only read the hand or the prints of the hands and feet. Wang Chen-xia is also a facial expert for use in medical diagnostics. Several from Africa sought to attend, and two from Nigeria did attend, one by Skype and one in person. The Skype attendance was problematical. Those amending from Nigeria contributed in the field of traditional dermatoglyphics. We also had our first two Indian palmists, one from Australia and one from Southern California.

Since the last IBMBS conference I have been invited to and attended two more conferences in China, one being part of the 16th International Anthropology and Ethnology Union conference at Yunnan University in Kunming, and a second MME conference in Taipei. There were perhaps 40 or more in the dermatoglyphics section at the Kunming conference including my host, Prof Zhang Haiguo who teaches at the Shanghai University Medical School. He selected my paper on rejoinder of dermatoglyphics, hand analysis and forensic sciences as the lead off presentation at that conference I was honored with helping him open that section of the conference, which was also known as the 7th Chinese National conference on Dermatoglyphics. Mary Lai and Wang Chen-xia were there as was Prof Shao Ziwan (Rtd) who the Chinese Government had permitted to take the fingerprints of leading Chinese athletes, Olympians and world class and compare them to ordinary sports performers She reported on a surprising find that caused me to reevaluate the nature of one print and add a logical but qualitative revision to my own work.. This should demonstrate the strong support these programs have from the Chinese government, something completely lacking in the west.

The Chinese official support was demonstrated in the conference this year in Taipei when again I was an invited guest and attended and made a presentation and taught a three hour class after the conference on my Fingerprint theories. Numerous educators made presentation at that conference which was attended by representatives from Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan and mainland China. Many school counselors and educators from mainland China attended and showed further the support of the Chinese government. I believe Mary may now be receiving some encouragement or support from the Taiwanese government and her assessment programs are in schools in all of these Asian countries. She has assessors in ten countries today. Her two conferences were in the National Library conference center across the street from the Chang Kai Chek memorial. The last was attended by about 150 including Prof Haiguo in person and Prof. Shao Ziwan by video. Politics, we believe prevented both Dr. Wang Chen-xia, considered a precious possession by the PRC and Prof Shao, who has some strong governmental connections, from attending. One presentation made quite an impression on me. A pilot trainer with 30 years of military and commercial aviation experience spoke of his use of the MME assessment programs and said that the MME program proved more successful in identifying who would succeed in training and in an aviation career than any other assessment tool he had ever used.

While in Taipei my computer was fitted with MME’s latest English Language assessment program by Mary’s engineer. While she has many researchers, she seems to have a staff of about four or five full time workers. While I am in at the ground floor, this is obviously growing, and has the largest potential market in the world, the full Asian population. Right now, Europe is a backwater in the future development of hand analysis, despite the noble efforts of Martjin

One of the facts that becomes clear from these conferences is that the Asians are recording each case study (now over 100,000) and conducting statistical analyses of these studies. I anticipate they will now be studying my fingerprint theories and subjecting them to testing. I have copies of many of them, but unfortunately they are in Chinese.

Both China and India, just a few centuries ago, were the richest countries in the world and China looks to be that before the middle of this century. Before Columbus discovered America, China sent a huge fleet around the world. Today, General Motors builds as many cars in China as it does in North America. Shanghai and Beijing are teeming cities with registered populations in each of seventeen million and each have another five million estimated floaters. The small university town I stayed in, the vacation resort of China, Kunming, has a population of four million and is a small city in China. I planed the next IBMBS conference in Kuala Lumpur because we were invited to do so. It is very good for China and Wang Chen-xia supported this location., Those from Africa and other countries in the world should have no visa problems, as we experienced both in North America and Europe. These are great events to meet others, but also events to present new works and to learn from some of the best in the world.
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Hi Ed,

Thank you for your additional comments on the 'social' dynamics behind the conferences in the past.

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May I ask what was the reason for them simply to pull out? After all the Israeli delegation, the Psychodiagnostic Chirologists represent the highest form and standard of psychological hand analysis.

I stated the official reason was that they said they could not afford to attend the Budapest conference. In the second IBMBS conference in Shanghai the Israeli delegation made some contribution to the costs of putting on the conference. This time no offer of contribution was made (though the registration fee of one would have been less than the delegation donation made to help support the Shanghai conference). I suggested that the one non-presenting member of the delegation should pay the registration fee. This met resistance and shortly thereafter the Israeli delegation pulled out in mass, apologizing for not being able to afford to come to the conference. That action also happened after I gave some of Lydia Wagoner’s CV which included some studies with a well know German palmist who also happened to be a Nazi (having lived in Germany before and during World War II). Lydia offered to withdraw if her appearance offended any of the Israelis and pointed out that only one of her teachers had a Nazi background. I said nonsense, it was time to get over some of the past and given the time she grew up in Germany after World War II, one would expect a strong possibility of teachers being former Nazis. I expressed my concern to some of the Israelis that if this was the real reason for the withdrawal, I could see no foundation for it. Thereafter my emails were blocked by Arnold and others in the Israeli delegation. If you want any further explanation you should ask them. I regret if they think I am a Nazi lover or Jew Hater. It is not so.

Elsewhere I have posted my critique of PDC. Arnold’s book is a beautiful vanity press creation by the same press that printed his first book. A Vanity Press is one that one that the author hires to print his work, as compared to my own Encyclopedia, for example, for which I was paid and was published by and printed for and at the expense of Perigee division of Berkeley Putnam in New York and Robert Hall in London. Arnold, if memory serves me, describes about 71 psychological syndromes that are new and not then (or currently for all I know) recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) of the American Psychiatric Association. Admittedly that is revised every half dozen years or so, so maybe his work has or will find some recognition by that profession in their official literature. Arnold surrounds his palmistry with psychological jargon, but little in real case studies and nothing in statistical analysis and little in the way of reference to supporting authority. Look beyond the glossy text and pictures and there is little meat behind the work, no matter how well disguised by all the psychological jargon. I (and some other respectable authors in the field that I have spoken or corresponded with) do not agree with your assertion that: the Psychodiagnostic Chirologists represent the highest form and standard of psychological hand analysis.

Arnold’s work is far different from that of Mary Lai. Mary has adopted standard measurement tools, pattern identification practices and procedures, data gathering and report procedures, which permits her results, analyses, to be statistically analyzed and independently double checked. She was aided and encouraged in this by Professor Zhang Haiguo of the teaching staff of the medical school at Shanghai University who teaches over 300 students a year in the science of dermatoglyphics and is the Chairperson of the Chinese Dermatoglyphic Association and author of a number of important works in the area. Mary students and researchers follow these standardized methods, the same methods I intend to teach next February in North America with the help of Miffy Loxton who now lives in Leeds. Mary’s work is grounded on scientific principals.

At one point Mary looked forward to working with Arnold. I do not know the details of what happened, but something in Arnold’s approach apparently offended her and I had the impression that Arnold had made a play of incorporating Mary’s work into his PDC school. If that was his intention he did not read Mary very well. Her work was not going to become a branch of anyone’s school. I do not know how much influence he still has with the Chinese but it was not apparent at the July 2010 MME conference in Taipei. I believe one PDC practitioner may have received some training in the MME method from representatives in Hong Kong after our meeting in Shanghai and Arnold did make a visit to Hong Kong. His only face to face meeting with Mary may have been the that took place at our first conference in Las Vegas.

Ron, from you earlier jingoistic remarks on the superiority of the western palmistry I thought it might be useful to remind all of the trends in the world today and for a need of a certain amount of humility in this feeling of superiority That was something I thought might now be apparent to those Caucasian families that remained in South Africa after the end of aparthed. Right now, outside of some disjointed efforts in the west, and those of Martijn and friends, there is little scientific hand analysis, palmistry in the west. In the east they are not embarrassed to use the term palmistry in their scientific studies. Arnold and others have specifically avoided it in the west.

By the way all the fingerprint scanners appear to be made in China, the hand scanner manufacturers seem to be dominated by the Chinese with some sprinkling of Indian influence. The both have successful space programs. I suggest you visit some of the Chinese cities, especially Shanghai and Beijing. You need to clean your glasses. Also, check your cameras, TV’s and computers and see where the parts are made. Would you like to know where much of your software is developed today. India. A friend and client of mine opened his software shop there and now has about 30 employees and works almost 24/7 except for some sleep and eating time. China is one of the world’s leaders in the current development of solar energy.

Ron: You can second guess my final choice of Budapest (made after discussions with a number of people including Europeans). I thought it was fairly successful, even without the Israeli contingent. Visa’s are a problem, and were even in Budapest. Nigerians had problems. Chinese had problems getting into the US. I had to get letters from two United States Senators to the State Department to get visas for Wang Chen-xia for our 2009 conference. Sean O’Sullivan helped there. This process can take months.

Kuala Lumpur has been in the planning process since the last IBMBS conference. Getting people to coordinate and act is always a problem. Much of the time I have been left to my own devices, which was the case in Budapest and two North American conferences. I am not familiar with the I.A.C. and very many people from south Africa although I have had pleasant correspondence wit both Jennifer Hirsch and Kevin Leek. Keven was going to try to attend the last IBMBS in Las Vegas, and we had him listed on theprogram, but his plans fell through.

Right now the only people I can depend on to help with IBMBS and or give it support are Jon Miles, camera expert and iridologist, Jilly Eddy, lip reading expert, Naomi Tickle, face profiling expert, Sean O’Sullivan, palmist, Wang Chen-xia and her daughter, Mary Lai and some MME people, a few who have attended past conferences like Manfred Magg, and some publicity shared by those like Martijn. I have sent out thousands of notices of the past conferences and I tried to contact every palmist I could find on the net. So come to the Kuala Lumpur conference and if you can improve the process I am sure we will elect you to take it over.

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Post  Manfred on Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:18 am

Dear Ed,

I hope you are fine and your health contdition is much better...after your pr. Sun had changed the sign.

Your and Mary's courses sound very interesting. Do you or does she have/has any extensive papers about your work? ....I`m sorry that Noth America and Asia is too far from here at the moment forto take part personally.

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