Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?

Patti wrote:Nice henna art!

In her posture, is there anything unusual about her shoulders? Does she tend to lean forward a lot in her work, especially head and neck? Do her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck?

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:Nice henna art!

In her posture, is there anything unusual about her shoulders? Does she tend to lean forward a lot in her work, especially head and neck? Do her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck?

Hi Patti,
you said the similar things for the bent 1st phalange of thumb, if I remember right.
Do you associate this with any finger 1st phalange bends?

Sucom wrote:Hi all,

Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.

Underneath the henna I believe I can see nicely sloping heart lines in her palms, hinting of a physical approach in her relationships. I see her as being quite a spontaneous, emotional person myself.

It's nice to be visiting the forum!

Sue

Sucom wrote:Hi all,

Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.


Sue

zaobhand wrote:Interesting perspective Sue!

zaobhand wrote:Hi Kiran,

Thanks for your message. I do follow the threads and enjoy reading your posts. It has been busy recently... at work trying to be more productive and also it is summer here, so I tend to spend more time outside. I guess I'm also letting things settle.. I'm still not feeling entirely the same as before about this forum as a fun and supportive place for explorations of the hand..

Patti wrote:

Sucom wrote:Hi all,

Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.

Underneath the henna I believe I can see nicely sloping heart lines in her palms, hinting of a physical approach in her relationships. I see her as being quite a spontaneous, emotional person myself.

It's nice to be visiting the forum!

Sue

Hi Sue!! Nice to see you!

Sucom wrote:Hi Kiran and Boaz

Thanks for your comments

My first thought to your question is, 'has Saturn lost its straightness or has Saturn gained its curve to Apollo?' I'm not saying this is necessarily the case but must first offer my initial response. As I see it, If we talk about 'losing' something, it immediately sets a negative scene which may condition any further thought about its possible meaning. While it's true that I am likely to take a positive stance whenever possible, I also feel that perhaps a neutral starting point is the best option.

I'm interested in learning how you yourself view this curve because I know there are other suggested interpretations of this particular feature. Do you have any thoughts?

Sucom wrote:... In no way am I advocating that this will apply in every case - I'm just one person amongst literally millions who are likely to have this feature. But it does cause me to take a careful approach with any possible interpretation.
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Yes Sue, we are definitely talking about a feature that is found in the hands of literally millions of people. And yes, a careful approach should - as usual - be taken with any interpretation.

However, I think it requires a more precise study of this feature in order to make any step ahead - because the angle involved in this condition (technically one can speak of 'third finger ulnar clinodactyly') should be recognized as essential here.

- First of all, one should be aware that clinodactyly in general is a fairly common hand condition - it is often described as being observed in about 10% of people. Though it is known to be observed most often in the 5th finger (in 90% of the cases):
http://childrenshospital.org/clinicalservices/Site1168/Documents/Clinodactyly.web.pdf

- 'Ulnar clinodactyly' of the 3rd finger is actually the most common variant of clinodactyly in the third finger (radial clinodactyly of the 3rd finger is much more rare); and if one includes the condition of 'mild clinodactyly' - with probably about 5 to 15 degrees deformity involved then we should be aware that we are talking about a hand feature that is commonly observed among people.


Back to Samz's example:

Since it does not qualify for 'severe clinodactyly' (> 30 degrees), and only the left hand would qualify for 'moderate clinodactly' I would first of all propose to inform him that the hand featured involved in his observation should better not be described as 'strange' (as this is how Samz described it).

And as we know from experience that 'hand signs' only rarely point in the direction of a single personal quality... I think any discussion here should better not get focused on just a single interpretation.

(In this perspective I am happy to see that Parender started discussing this feature in the perspective of other hand features of the female involved)

Sucom wrote:...

I have only visited this forum on the very odd occasion so was not really aware that casual chat and discussion was not really on the agenda. I feel far more comfortable speaking freely, allowing my thoughts to go this way and that until true understanding flows. I would find it far too tedious to first have to work out accurate statistics before I let any new thought or idea flow. That would be far too laborious for me. And also, it's just not me or my style, so I apologise for that.

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Sucom wrote:Hi Kiran
You raise some interesting points, all of which could be possible interpretations of a curving Saturn finger bearing in mind the qualities associated with Saturn.

However, on a personal note, I have this feature in both hands. My Saturn fingers don't curve wildly to Apollo but there is a definite hint there! From the interpretations you have mentioned, if I try to be extremely honest with myself, I would say that none of them apply to me. In fact, I would go completely the opposite of your descriptions. Being on time is EXTREMELY important to me - I'm a little picky about people who don't turn up on time, .

I have always said 'if you can't be true to yourself, who can you be true to, so integrity is something I value highly. Also, commitment issues are not a problem for me - There has to be something very wrong for me to let go of something.

Sorry to talk on such a personal note but I'm trying to demonstrate how, for me at least, this leaning Saturn finger portrays itself. In no way am I advocating that this will apply in every case - I'm just one person amongst literally millions who are likely to have this feature. But it does cause me to take a careful approach with any possible interpretation.

And I think this is possibly why I prefer to take a positive stance on this feature rather than a 'what might I have lost' stance. To me, it's very much a gain, and certainly not a loss.

Sucom wrote:Hi Martijn

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about my posts and for giving some of them the thumbs up. To be honest, I wasn’t really looking for your verification but was very casually throwing some thoughts into the bag for consideration.

It goes without saying that I admire any tangible results found from scientific study but you know, the scientific approach to study is NOT what originally attracted me, or what continues to attract me, to hand reading. In fact, I might go as far to say that an approach which is overly scientific might actually push me away from the whole idea. It is so restrictive on so many levels! I believe our hands reflect us as individuals in mind, body and spirit. The three cannot be separated and yet science so often ‘appears’ to attempt to make this separation. I may be wrong about this but all I can say is that it gives me this impression, rightly or wrongly.

For example, if I get a strong feeling that my daughter will phone me, and then I answer my phone to find it is her, which aspect of science will prove this? And if it cannot be proven, does this mean that a ‘knowing’ about something doesn’t exist?

One of my preferred method of learning, apart from observing proven statistics, is to throw ideas around and listen to other people throwing ideas around. Also, I would like to be able to use my hand reading skills for the purpose of offering help to others at least during this lifetime. The restrictive scientific process may or may not catch up but I have a feeling I’ll be long gone by the time ‘knowing’ or intuition is scientifically proven!

If facing a client who is struggling with some aspect of life, would they want to hear me talk to them about the statistics of clinodctyly and that no proven interpretation has been found or would they prefer me to mention that I, and others hand readers, have found the very same feature in other hands which was helped by this idea or that idea? If they can identify with what I and others have found, this may allow further conversation that may then help them around their problem. I have always found palmistry to be a counselling tool as much as anything. I’m over simplifying this, naturally, but real clients are real people and they like to talk to real people about real aspects of life. Most people don’t know what clinodactyly is but they will be able to recognise a finger that leans one way or another.

Obviously, it goes without saying that the more accurate an interpretation, the better. But an equally important and enjoyable way to lead to this discovery is, for me, through casual banter and discussion because it is during such times that someone might offer just one word or just one sentence that leads me to extra understanding.

I have only visited this forum on the very odd occasion so was not really aware that casual chat and discussion was not really on the agenda. I feel far more comfortable speaking freely, allowing my thoughts to go this way and that until true understanding flows. I would find it far too tedious to first have to work out accurate statistics before I let any new thought or idea flow. That would be far too laborious for me. And also, it's just not me or my style, so I apologise for that.

As you know, I very much admire your scientific methods to raise hand reading to its deserved level of acceptance so please don’t take my words the wrong way because there is enough room for everything in this world – for science, for intuition, for healing, for different routes to knowledge, methods of communication, and so on. We are all unique – that’s the beauty and fascination of hand reading!

Obviously I cannot ignore my own experience – to do so would be foolhardy. Also I cannot ignore any other already proven facts. The best way forward, then, is to combine the two. I find that works great for me!