VII - REPORT: Korean researchers discovered the 'Suwon crease', only observed in males!

Patti wrote:
If I'm following you right then the accessory crease that's on the radial side connects with the heart line and on the ulnar side connects with the head line, is a deep crease - not a fading out ending or fork/split. It appears to originate from the side of the hand, radial or ulnar and meets the other primary creases.

I've still seen this in both forms. I've seen it on the heart line often. I do use my magnifying glass to discern that a crease isn't simply a splitting branch but a 'touching' incoming crease.

Patti, I am not able to visualize what your described in your 1st alinea... but I notice again that you didn't mention the aspect of the creation of 'complete transversal constellation' of lines in the palm.

NOTICE: Just like both the simian line AND the Sydney line create a 'complete transversal constellation' in the palm... the 'Suwon crease' creates a likewise type of constellation.

By the way, do you understand this common characteristic between the simian line, Sydney line & 'Suwon crease'?


Additionallly, in your 2nd alinea you describe that you have 2 variants (you wrote: 'I have seen this in both forms') in mind... but from your words I can not destillate the two variants that you have mind.

I can only respond with: so far I think there is only one type of 'Suwon crease'... and for sure: it is rare!

(In the 4 samples that I am studying right now I have found it only 3 out of 274 male cases)




PS. Thanks for presenting your two examples... , but they confirm to me that so far you didn't understand the point of the 'complete transversing constellation'; but I will share my observations for these two examples...

- Your first example is not a 'Suwon crease' because there is no connection with the heart line => Therefore it doesn't have the 'complete transversal constellation'.

But I do understand why you presented this example: two head lines... and one is showing the tendency to create a connection with the heart line. IF the connection was present, then it could be described as a 'Suwon crease'... so while it is not a 'Suwon crease' you came very close in this example!

However...

- Your second example can simply be described as an 'incomplete Sydney line'!

Sorry, I don't understand why you are presenting this example... because obviously: there is only one head line present!!

- Your third example does have a double head line: both create 'incomplete Sydney lines'). But regarding the heart line... obviously it has a 'splitting' but the lower branch cannot be described as a head line. So, because of the presence of a connection with the upper head line... I could also describe this example as an 'incomplete simian line'.


Anyway Patti, despite that I can none of these 3 examples as a 'Suwon crease'... my observations might help you at least to understand the basic concept of that line a bit more.

Patti wrote:Thanks Martijn,

Last one for now - I'm thinking this radial crease might be considered too thin - or a branch, yet one doesn't join the heart line.

Hi Patti,

Sorry, this one can very accurately be described as a 'splitting heart line' - resulting in that the lower branch does create a 'complete transversal heart line'!!

However... again, a 'complete transversal heart line' concerns only one line involved; and therefore it does not relate to the 'Suwon crease' - where two different lines are involved: and both of these lines meet!.


... I hope that my responses to your examples will make you recognize what it takes to recognize a true 'Suwon crease'.

=> See the 3 characteristics that I described in my first response to your input in this discussion!!


PS. By the way: yes, I can confirm your accessory observation: the width of the lower 'splitting' obviously doesn't resemble the structure of the head line. Which basically confirms that this is only a 'splitting heart line - with one transversal branch'.

Lynn wrote:Thanks for your input Patti & your responses Martijn. Like Patti I am also having some difficulty in defining this line / noticing it on hands. specifically - seeing the difference between split heartline where one branch connects to life/headline, and the true suwon - extra headline that connects to heartline.

eg the difference between this
https://servimg.com/view/15498700/23

and this
http://acb.xmlink.kr/ArticleImage/1049ACB/acb-43-169-g003-l.jpg

Hi Lynn,

The basic difference between both examples can be recognized by considering the 'width' of the lines!

Again, one really NEEDS to consider the structure of the lines involved - and 'width' is of course a major aspect of the structure..


Lynn, can you confirm the following:

Do you recognize that in the Korean example the width of the 'Suwon crease' is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the heart line?

SUWON CREASE:



If you recognize that... then it is actually quite easy to notice that in Patti's example both branches of the heart line sort of have the same width, while the head line has a larger 'width'!

NOT A SUWON CREASE:


Can you confirm the difference between these 2 examples?

(So in these two cases the 'width' of the lines shows the difference - but in other cases it might be necessary to consider other aspects of the STRUCTURE of the lines involved)

Patti wrote:Hi Lynn! Thanks for being equally unsure!

What about this one Martijn?

Congratualations Patti - you finally found one!!
Yes, I would count your 5th example as a 'Suwon crease'!!

Why?

- First of all: see the likewise shape + structure in the head line!
- Second, additionally this line has a VERY STRONG thumb-side (radial) component, which is another typical characteristic of a 'Suwon crease'!

- Additionally, see also the position of the 'passion line' (which is not a requirement, but I think in quite some 'Suwon crease' one will notify a 'passion line' near the connection point).

Martijn (admin) wrote:Hi Lynn,
The basic difference between both examples can be recognized by considering the 'width' of the lines!........
Can you confirm the difference between these 2 examples?

(So in these two cases the 'width' of the lines shows the difference - but in other cases it might be necessary to consider other aspects of the STRUCTURE of the lines involved)

Martijn (admin) wrote:

Patti wrote:Hi Lynn! Thanks for being equally unsure!

What about this one Martijn?

Congratualations Patti - you finally found one!!
Yes, I would count your 5th example as a 'Suwon crease'!!

Why?

- First of all: see the likewise shape + structure in the head line!
- Second, additionally this line has a VERY STRONG thumb-side (radial) component, which is another typical characteristic of a 'Suwon crease'!

- Additionally, see also the position of the 'passion line' (which is not a requirement, but I think in quite some 'Suwon crease' one will notify a 'passion line' near the connection point).

Lynn wrote:

Lynn, remember, I described: one really needs to consider the STRUCTURE of the lines involved... not 'width' only!!

However, also in Patti's 5th example is an unusual characteristic noticable:

Lynn, have you noticed at the thumb-side of the lower branch the VERY PRONOUNCED WIDTH? Obviously, that doesn't look like a normal shape for a 'splitting heart line' to end!!

Actually, that PRONOUNCED part of the line could very well be recognized as the BEGINNING of the 'Suwon crease'!

And in this case, one could even say that the 'Suwon crease' fuses with... the lower branch of the 'splitting heart line' - at the point where a vertical line appears to end in the lower branch!!

Martijn (admin) wrote:

Patti wrote:Hi Lynn! Thanks for being equally unsure!

What about this one Martijn?

Congratualations Patti - you finally found one!!
Yes, I would count your 5th example as a 'Suwon crease'!!

Why?

- First of all: see the likewise shape + structure in the head line!
- Second, additionally this line has a VERY STRONG thumb-side (radial) component, which is another typical characteristic of a 'Suwon crease'!

- Additionally, see also the position of the 'passion line' (which is not a requirement, but I think in quite some 'Suwon crease' one will notify a 'passion line' near the connection point).

Patti wrote:Ok, by golly I think I've got the idea.

Interestingly these are from my palmistry classes from over 20 years ago. They are filed according to the classes. In one small class there are two of these and one simian. Interesting how like people often group together.

This sample is female. Note the passion line and ulnar crease. I included the fingers to show the fingerprint of the ring finger.

Patti wrote:Now for attempts at identifying the ulnar Suwon:

Patti wrote:The beginning of the ulnar crease is similar to the beginning of the heart line in it's criss crossing:





female sample

Patti wrote:Martijn, I do believe like you there is some connection to the passion line. I realize this isn't exactly a Suwon crease, but check out the combined features. Transverse heart line. Passion line. Rising line to Passion Line. Ulnar crease.

Female:

Patti wrote:p.s.:
Can we say that I *discovered* the first female Suwon in the world?

Patti wrote:Good Morning Martijn!

Okay, I see your point. It helps to read the literature too and not just look at the illustrations (referring to me )

I thought from the illustrations and your early remarks that this Suwon crease was a transversal crease created by an accessory crease. The accessory crease being similar to the heartline when it's ulnar and attached to the end of the head line and similar to the quality of the headline when attached to the heartline.

Your female example's heart line looks like it's split rather than being met by a strong inward bound crease. The quality of the accessory crease is not similar to the head line. It also fades considerably at the radial edge.


I see a small flaw right at the start of their study! They washed the hands with soap prior to printing. Then they had to recategorize prints that were not of quality. Female hands and males with finer skin lose their distinct printing quality right after being washed. (page 1 under Materials & Methods)

I'm going to take the time to read the abstract intently before I continue with this conversation.

Good morning Patti!!

Aha... I am glad to hear that you now recognize how some of your problems were directly the result of not reading the Korean paper. Thanks for letting us know.

Regarding 'washing hands', sorry I can not confirm that this is a flaw. Actually, washing hands will avoid that the result of a print will be influenced by hand-cream, etc!! So, one could easily REVERSE your argument! What you described as a 'small flaw'... I would prefer to say that this actually confirms that the researchers used a professional approach. By the way: yes, I am aware that 'washing hands' sometimes has a negative effect on print quality - especially when water-based 'paint' is involved! But just like you described: it's only a temporary effect and one should not overestimate the effect. I assume that they used the most proper materials (including fingerprint ink - not water-based 'paint'), and by fact: I see no reason at all to get worried about the effect on the printing-results.

Finally, regarding your observation:

"Your female example's heart line looks like it's split rather than being met by a strong inward bound crease. The quality of the accessory crease is not similar to the head line. It also fades considerably at the radial edge."

Sorry, but I think this argument is actually much more applicable to the no.5 print that you presented earlier in this discussion. Are you aware of this?

First of all, for recognizing a 'Suwon crease' it is not necessary to see two headlines with a likewise 'shape'. Yes, if the extra crease shows a similarity with the 'shape' of the head line... then that becomes an argument. But most important is that the extra crease shows an usual characteristic which can be associated with the presence of a second head line (but there is no need to assume that it MUST look like the head line).

Second, when looking at the details in my example, I have 2 observation-based arguments that my example can not be described as a 'splitting heart line' (see the picture below):

1) There is a line which clearly 'cuts' through the heart line (see the yellow line - and the first orange line above this yellow line might have the same characteristic!!);
2) The path of the heart line doesn't show any change at all: it follows a perfectly 'smooth' curve. So formally, there is no 'splitting' at all - only at the distal part of the heart line one can observe a clear 'splitting'.

I hope these observations make sense for you!?