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The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

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The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:22 pm

lol!
9 LINES & 9 DISORDERS...
CAN YOU FIND THE CONNECTIONS?
Part 2 of the 'Weird-Hand-Lines Quiz' should be really a 'tempting' task for any member (but part 1 is much more easy!): people who are familiar with what modern science has learned us about the hand lines should be able to make at least a few connections between the lines & the disorders!

Anybody is welcome to post their attempt to find the right connections... and I will answer your attempt, but probably...

Gna...gna... only by revealing how many of your connections are 'correct'!!

(AFTER somebody is able to identify all correct 'connections'... of course, then I will explain all details regarding these lines + the related disorders, etc.)


THE 9 LINES ARE:


To avoid misunderstandings, I will briefly describe each of the lines in the picture above:

Line 1 = extra crease on the 1st phalange (beyond the distal interphalangeal crease)
Line 2 = extra crease on the 2nd phalange (in 1 or more fingers)
Line 3 = single crease on the pinky finger
Line 4 = extra crease on the thumb
Line 5 = 'hockey-stick crease'
Line 6 = simian crease
Line 7 = Sydney crease
Line 8 = transverse hypothenar crease
Line 9 = secondary creases: unusually high density



+ THE 9 DISORDERS ARE:
A = Alagille syndrome (= genetic disorder related to e.g. the liver, heart & kidney)
B = Coffin-Lowry syndrome (= genetic disorder: e.g. mental problems, health)
C = Down's syndrome (= genetic disorder: trisomy 21, e.g. mental handicap, health)
F = Edward's syndrome (= genetic disorder: trisomy 18, e.g. low rate of survival)
D = Fetal alcohol syndrome (= caused by alcohol abuse during pregnancy)
E = Fragile X syndrome (= genetic disorder: Xq27, e.g. mental handicap, autism)
G = Pit-Rogers-Dank syndrome (= e.g. growth disorder, mental retardation)
H = Schizophrenia (= psychiatric disorder)
I = Sickle Cell Diseases (= blood disorder)

The QUIZ-task is very simple:
'Which line (in the picture above) belongs to which disorder?'

You might want to try to solve part 2 of the 'Weird-Hand-Lines Quiz' by filling up the letters: A, B, C, ... etc. in the format below:

Line 1 = ..
Line 2 = ..
Line 3 = ..
Line 4 = ..
Line 5 = ..
Line 6 = ..
Line 7 = ..
Line 8 = ..
Line 9 = ..

Anyone
Have fun... and good luck!!

PS. Most 'professional' + 'expert' members will probably be able to find one or a few connections, but I think it will take quite some efforts (including some 'googling') to solve this quiz!! hand dance

PPS. Part 1 of the 'Weird-Hand-Lines Quiz' is available here:
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iiia-modern-palmistry-general-topics-questions-f4/the-weird-hand-lines-quiz-part-1-easy-t212.htm#1289


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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  tap on Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:36 pm

Is one line able to represent more than one disorder? Or vice versa?

Example :
Down's syndrome can be listed on line 3 and line 7.

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:02 pm

Yes Tap,

That's right, Down syndrome can be linked with the lines: 3, 6 and 7. And one could make likewise notificiations regarding some of the other disorders

So, in part b of the QUIZ the task is much more complicated... to find the right connections. But for sure, it's a 'puzzle' that can be solved!


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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  tap on Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:11 pm

Thanks

Did some basics, now time to google......(hopefully time on Sunday).
study

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Lynn on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:27 pm

This is a challenge! I know a few of them, but some of these syndromes are new to me, and indeed some of the hand features eg extra crease on top phalanx (I don't remember reading about that before).
I spent 20 mins researching 'Alagille syndrome' - found some hand features but not specific ones listed in 1-9. Not even on pub-med. I think this is going to take me much longer than an hour.... study

PS I thought I knew 'sickle cell disease', but just discovered I got it wrong Rolling Eyes

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:38 pm

Hahaha ... Lynn, sounds like you're beginning to like 'part b' of the Quiz!???

But maybe, just to avoid that you're jumping from the right- to the wrong conclusion... which hand line did you have in mind with 'sickle cell disease'?


PS. I would not advice to use PubMed, instead you better start using 'Google Scholar': http://scholar.google.com/ ... which includes are sorts of related websites!

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Lynn on Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:46 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:Hahaha ... Lynn, sounds like you're beginning to like 'part b' of the Quiz!???


Yes, but please stop laughing! I was trying hard! Banana waving

Martijn (admin) wrote:But maybe, just to avoid that you're jumping from the right- to the wrong conclusion... which hand line did you have in mind with 'sickle cell disease'?


I thought it was extra phalangeal creases on 2nd phalanges (line 2) but apparently it is something I never heard of before.

Martijn (admin) wrote:PS. I would not advice to use PubMed, instead you better start using 'Google Scholar': http://scholar.google.com/ ... which includes are sorts of related websites!


thanks for the tip! I never heard of 'google scholar'. will try again tomorrow or Sunday.

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:35 am

Lynn wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:Hahaha ... Lynn, sounds like you're beginning to like 'part b' of the Quiz!???


Yes, but please stop laughing! I was trying hard! Banana waving
Okay Lynn... sorry... lol!

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:39 am

Lynn wrote:
I thought it was extra phalangeal creases on 2nd phalanges (line 2) but apparently it is something I never heard of before.
Yes Lynn, you've found a clue... I can confirm that the 'sickle cell disease' is indeed... NOT connected to line 2.

Thumb up ... 8 options left for that disorder... rolling on the floor ... oops, sorry again! lol!

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Lynn on Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:50 am

Lynn said -
Yes, but please stop laughing! I was trying hard! Banana waving

Martijn said -
Okay Lynn sorry... lol!

8 options left for that disorder... rolling on the floor ... oops, sorry again! lol!

Ok I notice that Martijn has the giggles at my expense. and tho he says 'sorry' I don't believe he is serious in his apology as he is rolling on the floor
hey! I'm trying hard here Martijn! pls stop laughing! ..... tho laughter is infectious Laughing
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is anyone else trying this challenging quiz?

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Felicity Martin on Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:23 am

I am a bit confused with, well most as I don't have a mebership with most of the reference sources- so it's going to take eons of time!!!, but with the Foetal Alcohol- I thought there was an increased rate of Aberrant Sydney and STPC lines?

http://djholman.csde.washington.edu/working/2007-1.pdf

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:56 am

Felicity Martin wrote:I am a bit confused with, well most as I don't have a mebership with most of the reference sources- so it's going to take eons of time!!!, but with the Foetal Alcohol- I thought there was an increased rate of Aberrant Sydney and STPC lines?

http://djholman.csde.washington.edu/working/2007-1.pdf

Felicity
Hello Felicity,

Yes, I can confirm that some studies have connected the Sydney line with fetal alcohol disorder. But this was not confirmed by all studies. However, I can report that in this quiz 'fetal alcohol syndrome' is NOT connected with line 7 (= Sydney line).

Thank you for your efforts!


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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:04 am

Lynn wrote:
Ok I notice that Martijn has the giggles at my expense. and tho he says 'sorry' I don't believe he is serious in his apology as he is rolling on the floor
hey! I'm trying hard here Martijn! pls stop laughing! ..... tho laughter is infectious Laughing
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Hi Lynn,

Yes, you're right... last night I got infected with giggles ... so I was just 'fooling around'.

Glad to hear that you got infected, but I agree... let's get back to this challenging 'QUIZ'!

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Felicity Martin on Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:55 pm

Hi Martijn,

I am sorry for the literals in my reply- must have been tired! I meant the Simian and Sydney(STPC) lines, both slightly increased aberrations with foetal alcohol, but thank you for pointing out that this is not replicated in all studies.
With the Coffin Lowry syndrome and number 8 - is this line also what I often have called the via lasciva or poison line? I have found this associated with antibiotic sensitivity and also increased in strength with heavy antibiotic use with resistant infections- but please note these are just a limited number of observations obviously.
With the aberrant Sydney line and head line, I have noticed this in people with a history of heroin use, but now wonder whether the line predisposed them to the drug abuse or the drug abuse caused it?
Are the lines on the fingers, added lines or are they creases in different positions- the overlapping fingers that are associated with Edward's syndrome?
Sorry to be a pain
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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:08 pm

Hi Felicity,

Thanks for adding your correction, though from my side I can add that in this quiz 'fetal alcohol syndrome' is also NOT connected with line 6 (= simian line).



PS. Looking forward to your or anyone else's first attempt to actually 'win' the quiz!

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:14 pm

Felicity Martin wrote:Hi Martijn,
Are the lines on the fingers, added lines or are they creases in different positions- the overlapping fingers that are associated with Edward's syndrome?
Crease 1,2 and 4 are extra creases.... (edit: ) so, these are present next to the normal interphalangeal creases.

'Overlapping fingers'...? Sorry, I am not sure what you have in mind... I have an association with the phenomenon called 'syndactyly' (which concerns fingers that are grown together) - but I don't recognize how that relates to the quiz - so you probably have something else in mind???


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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Lynn on Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:25 pm

hi I've seen what you are referring to Felicity re overlapping fingers - when hand is clenched and 2nd & 5th fingers overlap 3rd & 4th.
Martijn, some pictures on this site http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/943463-overview

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:43 am

Lynn, I didn't know about the clinched fingers in Edward's syndrome - thanks for menitoning that... though it probably doesn't relate to the typical line that is involved in the majority of the rare cases of that syndrome.

(NOTICE: This comment provides 4 clues!!).

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  tap on Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:35 pm

Reading through all the clues I think I have lines 1,3,5 and 6 figured out. happy move
5 more................although I am fairly sure about line 8.
Hope to get back to this in a few hours.



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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  tap on Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:20 pm

Found some time, yet in my attempts to google information on this quiz I have not been able to find much on some of these disorders. Example:

“Pitt-Rogers-Danks syndrome (PRDS) is a rare, presumed autosomal recessive, syndrome with pre- and postnatal growth retardation, microcephaly, characteristic facial appearance, seizures, unusual palmar creases and developmental delay. Since the first description in 1984, only 7 cases have been reported.”
“Palmar and digital flexion creases are normal with an extra flexion crease on the thumb.”

https://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/LoehlinArcSexBEH298-305.pdf

So, in this case, with the rarity of the disorder and the only noted significant information for this quiz (without knowing how many out of the 7 had this) is the “palmar and digital flexion creases are normal with an extra flexion crease on the thumb.” (only saw this through the web description, I can not see the article since I do not have a subscription) I do not think I can assign line 4 (or any other line) to this disorder .

Other than that I am not finding anything on the extra crease on the thumb.
For another article stated “Our observations also suggest that the oblique and extra creases on the proximal phalanx of the thumb should be considered as common or “regular” creases, rather than anomalies, because of their high freqency in fetuses and in normal healthy adults.”

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.1092220112/abstract



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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Lynn on Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:51 pm

hi tap, yes this quiz is tough! So far I only related 4 of the disorders to 6 hand features.

tho I think you found something significant there in Pitt-Rogers-Dank syndrome & "an extra flexion crease on the thumb" ....sounds good for line 4. Thanks, I'm going to cheat and put it down! Razz

PS tap, did you post the correct link?
https://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/LoehlinArcSexBEH298-305.pdf
seems to be about relative finger length, I couldn't find anything about extra flexion crease on thumb or PRDS??

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Re: The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:01 am

tap wrote:Reading through all the clues I think I have lines 1,3,5 and 6 figured out. happy move
5 more................although I am fairly sure about line 8.
Hope to get back to this in a few hours.


Wow... Tap!!

Sounds like you are almost ready to post an attempt to win the quiz... scratch

But obviously, by sharing too much info... Oh...nooo! ... somebody else might take the victory away before you even posted your first attempt!!

Who dares... to give this quiz a first whirl? Anyone

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Post  Lynn on Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:13 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:But obviously, by sharing too much info... Oh...nooo! ... somebody else might take the victory away before you even posted your first attempt!!

Oh, surely nobody would be so devious as to cheat by stealing tap's hard-researched info? tch, how unsporting! Twisted Evil

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Post  tap on Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:19 am

LOL Too many links up rolling on the floor

Here is the link I should have posted

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.1092220112/abstract

Here is the search link which shows the quote "“palmar and digital flexion creases are normal with an extra flexion crease on the thumb.”

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=extra+crease+on+thumb&hl=en&as_sdt=20000000

The introduction to the article does state " unusual palmar creases "

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Post  Lynn on Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:39 am

Thanks tap. gosh I glaze over after 20 mins of scientific abstracts Sleep not easy is it. Wink

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