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Post  learner on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:03 pm

Greetings again Mr. Martijn,

Your responses encourage me to ask more questions.

I have another important question. It is important to me, so please give me some knowledge.

I read almost the entire mini-course on your other website. On the page for psychosis

http://www.handresearch.com/course/palm-reading-guide-mini-course-psychiatry-9.htm

it says: 'The study of Hilbun2 describes a high frequency of a palmar loop between the middle finger and the ring finger.'

I found this very interesting & here is the reason.

I have collected about 50 handprints or photos of various people for my initial study. In the hands of those doing manual labor & similar jobs (chaffeur, deep jungle tribesman, etc), the palmar ridges were easily visible with rough hands. But what jumped out at me was that all of them have a huge palmar loop between middle & ring finger. In 2 hands, this loop extends almost to the line of heart. This loop was missing on the successful intelligent people. I never thought of the significance of this difference, but after reading the research paper, I suspect that this palmar loop also indicates low IQ, apart from psychosis or other mental maladies.

What is your opinion please ?? I am very eagerly looking forward to your answer.


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:07 pm


Hello learner,

Interesting question, though I think there is no direct connection between IQ and the loop between the 3rd and 4th finger (this zone is called 'palmar interdigital zone 3' = ID3), because even though it is also known for it's high frequency in people who have Down syndrome and some other syndromes that are featured with low IQ... in my own studies I have also found that it is very often present in the hands of univesity students.

However, I think it is important to look at the other aspects of the palmar dermatoglyphics as well... for example when this ID3 loop is featured with a high positioned triradius + the missing of a loop between the 4th and 5th finger, then the chances are falling rapidly that the person has a high IQ (large percentages of people with Down syndrome (60%), Patau syndrome, Warkany syndrome, Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome & 18p syndromes have this specific dermtoglyphic combination in both hands... while it is not often seen in the hands of university students: not much more than about 2% - and if so, they are likely to have a disconnected headline in both hands as well).

So, what I am saying is: though there might be some relation with IQ, it really requires a study of the dermatoglyphics in the full palm to draw any conclusions!

Does this make sense?


EDIT: I have now also checked this combination in the hands of 20 people who have learning problems, but none of them have this combination as well; so, the combination that I mentioned above is not very common at all (because the high positioned axial triradius is usually seen in about 10% of the general population, so the combination that I described is even less common)


The example below shows a pair of hands of a person who has Down syndrome featured with IQ estimated between 80 and 90; both hands are featured with the combination that I described: ID3 loop + ID4 loop is missing + high positioned axial triradius):

Palmar loop ID3: Psychosis & IQ? Down-syndrome-1-small

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Post  learner on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:09 pm

OK, so this obviously means that my initial suspicion that the palmar loop may have a high correlation to IQ is incorrect. Well, I shall keep following the research.

I noticed on your website that scientific hand reading has 3 dimensions: morphology, lines & ridges. As a layman, my thought is that the answer lies in some yet undiscovered combination of these 3 dimensions. This is of course assuming that the hand in itself contains self-sufficient markers.

Thank you for your detailed responses Mr. Martijn. I truly appreciate it.


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:11 am

learner wrote:OK, so this obviously means that my initial suspicion that the palmar loop may have a high correlation to IQ is incorrect. Well, I shall keep following the research.

I noticed on your website that scientific hand reading has 3 dimensions: morphology, lines & ridges. As a layman, my thought is that the answer lies in some yet undiscovered combination of these 3 dimensions. This is of course assuming that the hand in itself contains self-sufficient markers.

Thank you for your detailed responses Mr. Martijn. I truly appreciate it.

Yes, I think you now understand the loop more properly.

Regarding your comment about the '3 dimensions', I wrote that passage more than 10 years ago. Since 2011 I prefer to speak of 7 hand dimensions; I have described the details at my Multi-Perspective Palm Reading website: http://www.multiperspectivepalmreading.com

And yes... combining elements from various dimensions is in my view essential for making a solid assessment (or diagnosis).

I am currently working on an update for that website! Very Happy

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