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Post  asif amin on Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:06 am


I am starting new topic with the permission of Martijin.

Before starting and posting some references I would like to express some my own experience owing to clear whole pictures in mind related to this topic.

I read many books of palmistry, some author of that books emphasized broken or islanded head line is related to psycho patients and mentally retarded patients.

Keep in mind in a modern world especially in an economic condition of world shows every 3 out 4 persons are facing economic jolt in their daily life. My question is, is it suitable for us (Palmistry researchers) giving them title to as a psycho patient.

It is common in palmistry that chained, islanded head line or uncommon lines crossing head line is indication of illness, depression and shows minor or major accidents.

Anyway, at my point of in Pakistan socio, economic and political situation shows unrest due to every citizen of this country is facing serious problems and crises.
Crisis and unemployment leads to depression and in result depression leads to psycho disorder in human nature.

In Pakistan different people have different hands we cannot judge economic and political fear to see only palm. There is no identification in palm to judge inner fear. Anyhow we can judge and identify personal depression, personal illness and personal problems one who faced or facing in their life.

My headline is chained with some small islands it shows my past problems due to my paternal family was disturbed and my some personal family problems but I am not mentally retarded or psycho patient.


There is some hand prints taken from M.A Malik's book The new horizon in Palmistry.











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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  GoodPalmist on Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:30 pm

Hello Asif,

Thanks for posting these pics. Does the book have any other such pics about other conditions that you could post.

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:40 pm


Hello Asif,

Thank you for your efforts to sharing those materials... and I am happy to see that you've also shared your our own thoughts & observations!! (I fully can relate to what you described, and your own example illustrates that one should certain avoid to exagerate the meaning of a chained head line featured with islands).

Now regarding Malik's comments on these prints...

I think an inexperienced reader could easily conclude from these examples that Malik's comments SUGGEST that disorders like 'depression', 'migraine', and 'ENT' can be observed from the hand via the headline only.

But this conclusion goes very far away from the truth.

By the way, I also notice that in most of the 'depression'-examples Malik describes the presences of a 'drooping headline'. But actually... I think in some of those cases, the 'bending' of the head line is quite NORMAL - for it is only natural if a headline displays a slight bending towards the wrist.


However, I am willing to add that the examples of 'ENT'-disorders are more impressive: for I think that quite a few of those cases have an a abnormally large island in the head line. But regarding those cases ... one should also notice in our earlier discussion you presented some schizophrenia examples from Malik's book, and some of these examples also have a likewise large island.

(For readers who are not yet aware of the earlier discussion, you can find it here: http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iiic-psychodiagnostic-chirology-f7/can-mental-illness-be-diagnosed-from-the-palm-t95-15.htm )


So, basically... I think Malik's approach can very easily be misunderstood completely. Because in all these cases (including the introductions which he wrote for the various topics) he has not spend a single word an the importance of connecting the state of the headline with other characteristics of the hand!!

Sorry, but for me this appears to be a very basic 'beginner's mistake'... and I am sure that many of his readers will very likely EXAGERATE the meaning of headline abnormalities.


Asif, in this perspective I am very happy that you've shared your personal comments about your own headline!

(Which I think could be very helpfull for other members of this forum to avoid making the likely mistake that readers of Malik's book might make)

Thumbs up!


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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:55 pm


Asif, I have got a suggestion regarding your 'presentation' of the materials from Malik's book:

Because sometimes the picture includes 2 pages from the book - resulting in that some of Malik's words are not visible (which could be relevant regarding the description of the problem of the person involved).

So, it would be very nice if you can change the scans with 2 pages - for two scans with each presenting only one page from the book, such as in the example below:



And by the way, if there are any high quality pictures among them, I would prefer a higher resolution scan for those examples (for example: by presenting one hand print in one picture, etc). Because I think only then we can really see more details of the headline + the rest of the hand.

I hope that you understand why I make this suggestion: I prefer 'quality' instead of 'quantity' - because ... I think illustrations of high 'quality', are more likely to generate more responses + induce interesting discussions at this forum.

Thanks! + Thumb up

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  asif amin on Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:57 am

Martijin , bundle of thanks especially for giving me confidence and encouragement.

Next time ( after this post ) I will scan only single page illustration as per your kind instruction. Time by time I will post more hands.

Now, I am posting hand prints from Beryl Hutchinson book " A modern guide to palmistry- your life in your hand". Author included these hands in the Psychological ill health section but did not describe any further details of these hands


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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:40 am

Thanks!

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Sari on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:37 am

Hello,
I thought I'd share this palm photo of a woman age 46 who is a long term sufferer of depression.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56290507@N05/5205143619/

and this is her left hand.:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56290507@N05/5205144575/in/photostream/


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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:46 am


Thanks for sharing those hands Sari! Thumbs up!


Regarding the major lines I observe :

- both hands: short (splitting) heart line;
- left hand: two head lines (the upper is incomplete) + incomplete simian line;
- various asymmetric patterns;

Regarding the fingers I observe:

- (very) short middle fingers
- rather high 2D:4D digit ratio*

* In 2008 a study reported for males an association with depression:
http://www.psych.ualberta.ca/~phurd/papers/Bailey_andH05b.pdf

scratch .. And obviously, these hands look very 'puffy' + the proximal phalange of both index finger looks very large (length + width!!). Beyond the depression, I could imagine that there is an eating problem (disorder?) involved as well?




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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Sari on Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:22 am

Thanks for your comments,
Yes, she is overweight due to her lack of physical effort in general things, and she sleeps a lot due to her medication and also prone to drinking heavily even though she was advised not to because of the medication. She lost her mother to cancer when she was only 15 years of age which could have been the beginning of the depression.

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Lynn on Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:25 am

hi Sari, thanks for posting these pictures. Do you know if she has any (underactive) thyroid problems? (or even some chromosome disorder?)

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Sari on Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:47 am

Hi Lynn,
She hasn't been diagnosed with underactive thyroid (she's just underactive in general) and hasn't been tested for chromosome disorder. She was recently diagnosed bi-polar on top of the depression. But I don't see how they did because her medication has been heavy for a long time, maybe the medication is causing other problems. thinking

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Lynn on Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:33 am

Thanks Sari. It was just a 'feeling' from the look of her hands!

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Ron on Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:48 pm

Hello all,

I haven't been on the forum for a while due to work and study commitments and with my new BlackBerry I can easily log on and comment, but, I'm not the slightest bit impressed with what I'm reading on this forum, simply because I am dedicated to PDC.

First of all, this is not the correct section of the forum. Here you are talking about depression on the PDC section, and yet you have not stated anything regarding PDC! You have not citated from any of the PDC textbooks!

My point here is this has nothing to do with PDC, so there's no reason to have it in this section. Martijn, if possible, can you create another section such as "scientific hand analysis" or whatever.

I'm sure you would know by now that PDC is a discipline on it's own and has nothing to do with palmistry, this is what you'll discover by reading the latest PDC textbook.

Secondly, the majority of your research, by the looks of things, is palmistry, and that's a problem because it is what it is, palmistry. The majority of palmistry is fortune telling and most often nothing scientific. Just because a majority of palmistry textbooks indicate that certain features indicate depression, it doesn't mean so!

This brings me to my third point. Look at Martijn, the majority of his work and research comes from scientific research. PDC was tested in behavioural science laboratories. Kevin Leak who is doing research on depression at a mental institution and at the country's biggest university. My point is, before you go on any further, do some scientific research.

I have a large amount of palm prints from individuals who suffer from depression, and from my own research I'm finding a pattern with a specific feature and attempted suicide, which I'm happy because I haven't found anything like this in any book or textbook.

Another major problem I've got and that I'm quite concerned, is that I have seen this time and time again, from the old and new forum, and this happens with some of the IIHA graduates (which one would least expect), that will discuss, for example, autism, and how the hands can indicate autism, but yet, YET THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS!

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Re: Psychological depressed patients

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:02 pm

Ron wrote:Hello all,...

First of all, this is not the correct section of the forum.
Hi Ron, great to see you posting again!

Of course you're right... this topic was not posted in the right forum section, thanks for making that noticed! So I decided to move your topic from forum IIIc to IIIa.


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