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Post  learner on Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:24 am

Hello all experts! I have a question.

Has anyone ever seen a supple thumb changing to a stiff thumb or other way around?
I am curious if this is possible over a few years.

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Post  Lynn on Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:33 pm

Yes supple thumb can change to stiff thumb.

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Post  learner on Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:12 pm

Lynn wrote:Yes supple thumb can change to stiff thumb.

Thanks Lynn.

Can you give some detail? Would be great to kmow the circumstances and the period over which this happened.

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Post  Lynn on Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:57 pm

If the person becomes more determined, assertive, willfull.
Usually the dominant hand can become stiffer whilst the inner tendency / natural instinctive reactions on passive hand stays more flexible.
I don't know a time scale, I think it's a gradual process.

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Post  learner on Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:16 pm

Lynn wrote:If the person becomes more determined, assertive, willfull.
Usually the dominant hand can become stiffer whilst the inner tendency / natural instinctive reactions on passive hand stays more flexible.
I don't know a time scale, I think it's a gradual process.

Thanks Lynn. I was actually interested in knowing if you had come across a real case in your practice.

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Post  Lynn on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:06 am

here's one example - me! Very Happy
I think it's very common for people to become less flexible with age - in mind and body and thumbs and fingers! many people get more set in our ways. less adaptable, less willing to over -compromise themselves or be taken advantage of etc.

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Post  learner on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:16 am

Lynn wrote:here's one example - me! Very Happy
I think it's very common for people to become less flexible with age - in mind and body and thumbs and fingers! many people get more set in our ways. less adaptable, less willing to compromise or be taken advantage of etc.

Thanks. did you have a very supple thumb in your youth?
Over how many years would you estimate that this change took place?

I haven't examined palms of too many older people. Is it rare to find a supple thumb on senior citizens?


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Post  Lynn on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:28 am

Yeah my thumb used to 'bend over backwards' when I first learnt palmistry. 25 years later it's still slightly flexible, not completely stiff,  but a much higher degree of resistance in aided flexure. It's also more tubular, it used to be slightly waisted. My fingers are much less flexible than they used to be. Look at how flexible babies and children's fingers & hands are, then compare to older people. (same with bodies) No it's not rare to find a supple thumb on senior citizens. I'm talking generally, many hands get stiffer as we get older.

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Post  learner on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:37 am

Lynn wrote:Yeah my thumb used to 'bend over backwards' when I first learnt palmistry. 25 years later it's still slightly flexible, not completely stiff,  but a much higher degree of resistance in aided flexure. It's also more tubular, it used to be slightly waisted. My fingers are much less flexible than they used to be. Look at how flexible babies and children's fingers & hands are, then compare to older people. (same with bodies) No it's not rare to find a supple thumb on senior citizens. I'm talking generally, many hands get stiffer as we get older.

Thank you Lynn. Your replies have cleared this issue in my mind.

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Post  Lynn on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:42 am

I'm interested to know if other handreaders agree with me. Flexibility is difficult to measure, it's not like comparing an old hand print to see how lines have changed.

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Post  learner on Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:47 am

Lynn wrote:I'm interested to know if other handreaders agree with me. Flexibility is difficult to measure, it's not like comparing an old hand print to see how lines have changed.

Martijn's response would be nice to have.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:04 pm

learner wrote:
Lynn wrote:I'm interested to know if other handreaders agree with me. Flexibility is difficult to measure, it's not like comparing an old hand print to see how lines have changed.

Martijn's response would be nice to have.

Yes, such variations are possible. However, I also support Lynn's point that it is actually hard to assess 'thumb flexibility' as their is no objective standard available. So basically any assessment could very well reflect the condition of the thumb at just one moment in time.

PS. In the fields of hand reading usually 'subjective' methods are being used where it is assessed according feeling how flexible the thumb is inplanted, but in science this feature usually gets defined in terms of extensibility (e.g. the amount of flexure), see for example: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2141.1998.00697.x/full


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Post  learner on Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:56 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
learner wrote:
Lynn wrote:I'm interested to know if other handreaders agree with me. Flexibility is difficult to measure, it's not like comparing an old hand print to see how lines have changed.

Martijn's response would be nice to have.

Yes, such variations are possible. However, I also support Lynn's point that it is actually hard to assess 'thumb flexibility' as their is no objective standard available. So basically any assessment could very well reflect the condition of the thumb at just one moment in time.

PS. In the fields of hand reading usually 'subjective' methods are being used where it is assessed according feeling how flexible the thumb is inplanted, but in science this feature usually gets defined in terms of extensibility (e.g. the amount of flexure), see for example: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2141.1998.00697.x/full


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Thanks Martijn. The article talks of extreme flexibility in children. It would be interesting to know if any children have stiff thumbs. I think I am going to pester a few parents to let me examine their kids thumbs,

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