discussion on 5 element system (starting with Heidi Klum's hands)

Discussion copied over from Heidi Klum thread.
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/vib-famous-hands-section-fashion-models-f29/heidi-klum-supermodel-t160.htm






stalin asked:

how you peoples are going to prove that this girl has the characteristics of water hand?

I replied

Handshape is just a general indication of how the person expresses their energy out into the world. Water hand shape experience things in a more emotional, sensitive, subjective, artistic, imaginative, intuitive, idealistic way. People orientated, need harmony around them.

From what I understood so far, Heidi is a model, actress, into fashion & beauty. Water handshape is very common in people in those professions, also artists, musicians, people who work in caring professions, charity work etc.

stalin asked

Then how will you differentiate the air-hand people with this trait! Incase, suppose she had short palm with long finger, you will describe the same.

Martijn wrote

Models with an 'air hand'... ? Usually models (especially females) do not have an 'air hand'. Can you find one?

I replied

air hand shape live more in the intellectual realm, water in the emotional. You differentiate everything by looking at every aspect of the hand. Of course I wouldn't say that air hands are often found in fashion, beauty etc. They are more found in academics.

stalin replied

You said initially in this discussion that this women belongs to the category fire or water. but, martijn say that it water hand. Either of emotional trait of water or impulsive and quick action of fire are been ruled out by this girl's active and charming trait of air.

my answer

Water handshape, long fire finger, some air length lines, probably air skin texture. Everyone is a combination of all the elements.

Oops sorry stalin I think I accidentally deleted one of your messages before I copied it over! You asked why at first I said water hand, then I brought in other elements.

finally copying over your latest question/comments from the Heidi Klum thread.

stalin.v wrote:
I have lot more question.
For example, if water hand with square tip , how to interpret?,
But, These studies are available in traditional palmistry as well. For example, Indian palmistry, 1895 written by j.b.dale and The complete guide to the palmistry , written by psycho were giving great assertion on the study of type of finger with it's tip shape individually. More or less, I feel those studies were profoundly worth-studying than the generalizing assumption and bias reading done by cheirologists as it focus for probability of types and it's combination only by means of theoretical aspects, Rather, No practical values. and This way, the elementary method give no way for perfection. rather, It makes the reading confusing and complicated. I find cheiro's hand shape classification is far more better than cheirology. Before the publication of cheiro works, j.b.dale has already written, at 1895, about the finger tip models of each finger and it's meaning individually. Infact, J.b.dale was a british palmistry author, who written about indian palmistry, same like cheiro.

-Regards, stalin.v

hi stalin.

First to address the question that I accidentally deleted.
You asked why at first I said water hand, then I brought in other elements.

When I say "Water hand" I am referring to handshape only. ie long narrow palm, long fingers. Handshape just gives a general indication of how we express our energy (and also indication about body type). Then we go on to look at every other aspect of the hand.

You ask how to interpret water hand with square finger tip.
(it would be an unusual combination, water hands more often have rounded or slightly pointed finger tips).

I already gave a basic description water handshape energy - they experience things in a more emotional, sensitive, subjective, artistic, imaginative, intuitive, idealistic way. People orientated, need harmony around them.

The fingers represent the mind, how we express our mental energy.
The fingertip is the final point of expression of this energy.

Square tips relate to earth element. Square tips would like order, system, routine, method, organisation in the thought processes, practical expression of it.

Putting the two together: for example the imaginative artistic aspect of water hand could be made into some more rigid or concrete form via the square tips, putting some order and practical application into the ideas (as opposed to just random fantasy daydreams).

For confirmation of the way they think, we would also look for example to the headline.

First of all thanks lynn for your interest , honesty and genuineness which you have done in this new discussion.

My last comment was, On what psychological grounds, you try to differentiate each elementary characteristics of the same palm as you could say water hand, fire finger and air characteristics of lines and palm texture.

I found that your lattest answer were little impressive as you could explain bit it in little more details in psychological aspects. That is , The palm shapes shows how we utilize our energy and finger shapes represent our mind. Interesting. . .!

Hope, we can explore more truths soon.

Thank you stalin.
ah yes sorry I forgot your exact question: "On what psychological grounds, you try to differentiate each elementary characteristics".
Well I think you understood so far, each part of the hand shows a different aspect of us (our personality, character etc).

Today Caprie posted pics of Rihanna, singer, who also has water hands (and again her profession fits in with water handshape archetype). But you can see other aspects of her hands are different to Heidi's water hands.

Rihanna


Heidi


for example different fingertip shapes - Heidi's all rounded (air quality fingertip - more communicative), Rihanna has little finger and index finger more pointed shape (more water element).

Rihanna has more small lines all over her fingers and palm (although maybe Heidi's picture isn't as clear). As you said before, many fine lines is a water characteristic (more prone to emotional worry, anxiety). So already just looking at two features we can see Rihanna has stronger water element so far than Heidi.

This is how you build up a picture of the person, like doing a jigsaw of the elements on the hand.

Hello lynn,

However, This example and perspectives seems primitive interpretation in palmistry. I have some thing here to share which i explained in another discussion.

stalin.v wrote:Hello cyn,

I have discussed this aspects in former pi forum. I discussed , how and where to read the details of one's disposition(character), personality and talent in the palm. Mostly, the answer would be multi-dimensional. For example, some palmist can say this details by reading life prints. other can do read through hand signature. some other prefer to read palm lines. Obviously, all method has it's significances. Personality is the visible aspect of one's character. Now come to the point.
Hand signature, finger type, signs or moles on finger, shows one's character. finger sets shows one's personality. mount shows one's talent. However, These all terms in psychology are interrelated like the mounts , fingers, and finger sets.

Regards, stalin.v

https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iib-ask-one-or-more-specified-questions-about-your-hands-f10/hands-and-genetic-personality-traits-t310.htm?highlight=personality

hi stalin, I only gave you a couple of brief little examples. I agree with you, it's multi-dimensional, we have to look at all aspects of the hand and they each tell us about different aspects of the person.

Hello lynn,

I also see another problem when you describe about air hand individuals. You have just generalized the characteristics of air hand peoples by saying that they are mostly in intellectual realm. It need not be the case mostly . The cheiro attracts all our attention here in his chapter on finger. That is , Long finger indicates lover of details in every thing. This is the most accurate in terms of psychological reading in palmistry. The intellectual trait can be identified by other features of the hand. But, It is unacceptable when simply describing that air hand peoples are intellects . In deed, they like decoration, fashion, arts, beauty than the intellectual activities. Again, the further details could be identified by the shape and tip of the each finger as well.

Yes stalin I know. I only gave one sentence about air hand shape - that they are more frequently found in academics. Of course you will find air hand people in other walks of life, but you find many air hands in the academic world. I didn't say anything about any of the other aspects of air element characteristics or how to find it in the hand. I haven't told you anything about it yet.

Thanks for the clarification lynn.