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Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

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Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  jasmin on Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:41 pm

why fingers don't have same measurements?


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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:41 pm

jasmin wrote:why fingers don't have same measurements?
Hello Jasmin,

First of all welcome at this forum!

Regarding your question, basically the answer is described by 'evolution', because each finger has a different purpose in the function of the hand: see also the video below.

(Thumb is required for grasping, index finger for pointing, middle finger for balance, and the ring finger + little finger are the most mysterious fingers).

I hope this makes sense!?

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PS. A more detailed answer is presented below.

VIDEO - Evolution of the human hand:



'How come our fingers are different sizes and lengths?'
http://www.how-come.net/fingersize.html

Kathy Wollard's answers:

"Hands and fingers aren't unique to human beings; other primates have them, too. Take a look at gorilla or chimp's hands and you'll see a set of four fingers, varying in length from index to pinky, along with a real thumb. (While other animals, such as raccoons, have paws that resemble hands, official "hands" belong only to primates.)

Hands are useful for grasping—hanging onto a tree limb (or hanging onto a ladder), picking berries (or picking up groceries), throwing a clod of dirt (or throwing a baseball). If our fingers were the same length, our hands wouldn't be such flexible tools. When we hold a spherical object like an orange in the palm of our hand, the fingers actually curve around evenly, giving us a firm grip. Tapering fingers (and strong thumbs) allowed early humans to use specially-shaped stones to smash, scrape and cut other objects. (A long pinky finger would be more likely to get caught and squashed itself.) Besides precision grips, our different-length fingers also provide a balanced support for crawling or leaning on our hands.

Among different species of primates—from baboons to monkeys--fingers and thumbs vary in shape and length. Long, thin fingers are best for tree-swinging. Chimpanzees, who themselves make and use simple tools like termite-catchers, have hands that most resemble ours.

PICTURE - The hands of various primate species:


Most primates, from gorillas, orangutans, and chimpanzees to Old World monkeys, have "opposable" thumbs that can bend outward at up to a 90-degree angle from the other fingers. The most developed opposable thumbs are especially handy for holding small objects between thumb and index finger.

Thumbs have only one middle joint, rather than the two joints found on the four regular fingers. The four longer fingers can curl further around an object, while powerful muscles allow the thumb to "lock in" the grip, vise-like. Human opposable thumbs are, compared to those of other primates, bigger and stronger. A chimp can pick up a peanut from the ground, but can't open a tightened lid on a jar of peanut butter. Our own powerful thumbs seem to have evolved in tandem with our tool-making skills.

Among individuals in each primate species, finger and thumbs vary, too. Compare your hands to those of your friends, and you'll see subtle and not-so-subtle differences. Boys and men often have longer ring than index fingers. Girls and women tend to have similar-length ring and index fingers, or shorter ring fingers. Scientists say the differences are due to the influence of the hormones estrogen and testosterone in the womb.

One study found that male physicists, chemists, and mathematicians had ring and index fingers about equal in length, while male economists and social scientists had longer ring fingers. Another study found that men with substantially shorter index than ring fingers tended to be more physically aggressive than others."

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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  sv-b on Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:55 pm

Hello martijn, Smile

The problem in your quote is, It explains nothing in relation to the palmistry. secondly, The initial part of those content is the viewpoint of naturalist. But, It is not the view point of science. Thirdly, when you explain about the relation between the length of finger and sex hormones, you need to be aware of some scientific facts. They are ,
1. gonads are endocrine glands. Hence, Blood circulation is the only way through which every cell of the body receives the hormones via receptors. Why then, either estrogen increases the length of index finger or testosterone increases the length of ring finger. If you assume that sex hormone increases the size of the fingers during the time of pregnancy, it suppose to increase the size of every cell of the human body. why did these hormones have special affinity in particular fingers? where did you lost the relation or reasoning? Smile

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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:04 pm


Dear stalin,

My observation is that you appear to be perceiving 'problems'... that do not really exist.
Let me explain...


First of all, Jasmin's question was not specified to palmistry - so, you first sentence/conclusion can only be a result of how YOUR perceived her question.


Second, regarding your final sentence/conclusion... which appears to be directed to me. But then it must have slipped your mind that I actually answered Jasmin's question with a very short answer - I only made a reference to 'evolution' (featured with the quote from Kathy Wollard's answer).

(The reason why I kept my personal answer very short is because I recognize how Jasmin's question can be answered from many perspectives.)

But your answer indicates that you focussed on one single dimension only...like you usuallly do! So your sentence/conclusion is probably again a result of your perception of how your perceived Kathy Wollard's answer - again, who I only quoted.

(By the way, I am not sure if you're able to recognize how your comment can be perceived by others... but it could easily be taken as a direct insult!)

In that perspective, it is rather funny that despite your first association with palmistry - your own answer doesn't relate to palmistry at all... scratch


Stalin, if members want to put high standards to the answers posted by other members... I think it is fair to expect FROM THEM that they apply the same standards regarding their own answers.

For example: in your case, by SENSORING your own posts regarding the topic of sex...!


PS. By the way, Jasmin never came back after she posted her question - so I am not sure if we will ever know what she exactly had in mind when she posted her question... day dreaming

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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  sv-b on Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:20 pm

Hello martijn, Smile

Actually, you have failed to perceive where this topic has been posted by this member. Infact, He has posted this topic in hand reading forum. Thus, it directly implies that he has expected reasonings in related to the palmistry.

I see no reason to claim here that i made personal insult. I have just given you the reasoning how your scientific explanation is! Rather, i did not made any personal comment. Hope, you can quote the content if i did.

p.s: sex topic: I have plans to find related forum website.

Hope, i have clarified some of our misunderstandings Smile

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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:00 pm

stalin.v wrote:Hello martijn, Smile

Actually, you have failed to perceive where this topic has been posted by this member. Infact, He has posted this topic in hand reading forum. Thus, it directly implies that he has expected reasonings in related to the palmistry.

Hi Stalin... thanks for your attempt to explain, but I see only new (incorrect) assumptions - because I was aware of where SHE posted her question.

Despite that fact (your reference to the forum section) there is no way to assume that Jasmin's question is related to her own hands - simply because she did not make any 'hint' or reference to her own hands...!

(But if she had posted her question in forum section IIa instead of section IIb ... would that have changed your opinion? Anyway, I think it is only fair to move this topic from IIb to IIa... because Yasmin didn't post any picture of her hands - which IS requirement for section IIb.)


PS. Regarding the posibility of an insult, let me explain: your words 'Where did you lost the relation or reasoning?'... sound quite a bit like 'have you lost your mind???', but I see that your sentence is formally not proper English, so maybe there's some kind of misunderstanding involved....??? Though, probably not, because in your new comment you only continued to use likewise perceptions: 'you have failed to perceive...' - again build on your (arbitrary) perceptions.


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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  sv-b on Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:13 pm

Hello martijn, Smile

In this particular discussion, you have written more statements than what i did. Infact, i was little casual in my words. But, you rolls on out of ground than where you suppose to be.. However, Incase this topic is not related to palmistry, you can move this topic to off-topic section as well. Smile

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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:46 pm


Dear Stalin,

I don't want to start questioning your intentions... but if your 'casual words' appear as 'insults' to others, then simply denying the effects of your words + walking away from the issue.... is not "helpfull" at all!

(I hope you are able to understand the intend of my feedback - just to avoid that likewise 'casual words' induce likewise troubles for other forum members)

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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  sv-b on Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:57 pm

Hello martijn, Smile

you appears to be not giving any reasonings about the testosterone theory with finger length ratio for past two years. That was the reason why i was questioning about your reasoning power . What you say as a scientific relation is not accepted by any school of science. your single word reasoning like "testosterone" provide any sense to any intellectual mind. Without caring it you keep on repeating the same stories. By the way, i just asked about reasoning. but, you generalized it with your mind. How can you accuse me here? I just left it as it turns the topic away from the main course of discussion. but, you keep on wandering at the same spot. Smile

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Re: Why do fingers not have the same measurements?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:08 pm


Sorry Stalin,

From my point of view your question about Manning's theory goes far beyond general Jasmin's question about fingers.

Please create a new top in forum VIIb and try to formulate your question as specific as you can - then I will try to answer your question. Okay?

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