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Post  jeanette on Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:06 pm

I am reading Richard Unger's book on fingerprints and thoroughly enjoying it. I will have to go back and read a lot of it again. However, what I would like to know is , he talks of clients coming in and showing their hands and he proceeds with a reading. How does he identify the fingerprints. Does he take prints, look through a magnifying glass or what. He does not give any advice on the taking of prints in fact does not mention it at all. Anyway, great book I am at the times when I was reading Johnny Fincham's books, no housework getting done. Full time studying.
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Post  jeanette on Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:09 pm

I forgot to say I am doing what Parender said pencil and cellotape and finding it very good.
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Post  Lynn on Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:07 am

Hi Jeanette, I can't answer your question, but I love your enthusiasm Thumbs up!
(housework? who cares about housework when I am studying FBI fingerprint book!) study cheers

PS is there a link to Parender's "pencil & sellotape" method? I don't recall reading it. Thanks!

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:41 am

Lynn wrote:
PS is there a link to Parender's "pencil & sellotape" method? I don't recall reading it. Thanks!

Lynn, you can find it in the discussion about Kiwihands' fingerprints; I quote from (4th page):
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t591p45-life-purpose-reading-please-from-fingerprints

"The easiest and cheapest way to take fingerprints.
Materials needed:
3x5-inch index cards, at least two per participant

pencils, sharpener, transparent tape; 3/4-inch or one inch wide,
good lighting

magnifying glass—nice to have but is not essential,

Methods:

Easiest and cheapest way is : rubbing pencil all over a small area of paper or index card to make an “ink” pad, pressing fingers onto the penciled area or rub lightly once or twice but not much, lifting prints from fingers with transparent tape by putting carefully on the “inked” fingertip, and sticking tape to white index cards or paper. Fingerprints are ready for reading. How do you like this? I have found it practical and successful. Enjoy!"



PS. Thumbs up! I can recommend this method (though I have not used it myself), the fingerprint-result presented by Kiwihands was surprisingly good!

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Post  Lynn on Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:46 am

THANKS Parender, Jeanette & Martijn, I will try it.

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Post  jeanette on Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:26 pm

Hi Lynn,
Glad you got the article,despite all the obstacles. It is pretty creased, but I think readable. I thought about ironing it, but I am too busy reading Richard Unger's book I thought you might think of doing this but I now know there was no chance of that as you are too busy with the FBI fingerprints. I wish I had seen Johnny Fincham on t.v. About the fingerprint taking I find Parendar's tip the best so far and I am also wondering when you see in films the police taking fingerprints they, I think, have a pad. That looks good.We had terrible winds here last night and the washing I hung out yesterday was all over the back green, so I had to go, bring it in and wash it all again. What a nuisance when I could be reading my book. Last night I phoned a takeaway and got a dinner delivered. Thanks for posting the article. It would have been so simple if I knew how to post things on the forum.
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Post  Lynn on Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:02 pm

Great that you are enjoying your studying Jeanette.
Maybe one of Richard's students can answer your question about his preferred method of looking at fingerprints - live hand / ink prints etc. Anyone

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:38 pm

Lynn wrote:Great that you are enjoying your studying Jeanette.
Maybe one of Richard's students can answer your question about his preferred method of looking at fingerprints - live hand / ink prints etc. Anyone
Yes Lynn, I would love to hear comments from Richard's students as well!!


From my side I can add that about one and a half year ago I presented Richard some questions about some details in his 'alternative' method for assessing fingerprints. And he presented me very usefull answer, which helped me recognize that we should not compare his 'alternative' method with the much longer established classic science of fingerprints.

In his answers Richard acknowledged that his method was designed for assessing fingerprints directly from the hand (which makes sense in the perspective of the issue of the location of the triradius - in his method a central positioned triradius is always assessed as a 'tented arch', even when there are a many looping ridge lines visible).

But in general, Richard's fingerprint method is far less detailed than what we have seen in our discussions that relate to what is for example described in the book 'The Science of Fingerprints'. And usually he also allows his students to work 'by intuition'... instead of well defined rules. Richard also acknowledged that his method includes some 'grey areas'.


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Post  Manfred on Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:25 am

Dear Jeanette and Lynn,

it was more easy for me to wok with Richard's system by making some working tables for help. I think also helpful can be the downloads of Ronelle Coburn.


1. Download the Life Purpose Summary Sheet:

http://ronellecoburn.com/resources/pdf/lifepurposesummarysheet.pdf


2. Donwload What's In Your Hands? Overview Sheet

http://ronellecoburn.com/resources/pdf/whatsinyourhands.pdf


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Post  jeanette on Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:53 am

Hi Manfred,
Thanks very much for that.
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