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It's NOT all about lines!

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It's NOT all about lines!

Post  TruthSeeker on Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:17 am

Most hand readers, palmists etc. appear to believe that hand reading is mostly about interpretation of lines alone. Nothing can be further from the truth! In a series of postings I will try to present the point that while lines are an important pillar of hand reading it is just ONE of the pillars. This conclusion is based on my 40 years of experience as a hand reader.

I arrived at the conclusion above after I realized that differences in lines of (for example) very accomplished individuals and very ordinary individuals was actually quite INSIGNIFICANT! What distinguished the "superstars" from mere mortals were factors typically ignored by most hand readers. So what are these other "pillars" of hand reading? IMHO, the really significant dimensions that one needs to pay attention to are:

1. Relative softness or resiliency of the palm.
2. Texture of the skin (thin or otherwise)
3. Depth of major lines (THE most important factor)
4. Absence or presence (degree or frequency) of number of "worry" lines traversing the palm. This is especially a critical feature when looking at the quadrangle.
5. Relative thickness of the palm
6. Relative development of the mount of mars (both negative and positive mars)
7. Shapes of fingertips

In the last 40 years I have read about 34,000 hands. These hands have belonged to a very wide range of individuals: athletes, Hollywood stars, hookers, retarded individuals, schizophrenics, mega-millionaires, beggars, street people, plumbers, carpenters, farmers, bona fide intellectual giants aka geniuses, psychics, clairvoyants, homemakers and a lot of very ordinary folk.

To my surprise there was not that much variability in lines at all. In fact, LINES THEMSELVES WERE POOR PREDICTORS OF SUCCESS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS! What did distinguish the the really successful individuals was the factors noted above. I will talk about this topic some more later. For the time being (as an exercise), just take a look at he pictures of the hands of US presidents and ask yourselves how different the lines are those from those of ordinary folk. Also look at the hand from the perspective of the factors mentioned above.



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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:03 am

Hello Truthseeker,

Thank you for making your point!

And I recognize the validity of your point. I also think that the theories about (minor) lines (and 'signs') are generally overestimated in the field of palmistry. I am not saying that they are completely insignificant - but the problem appears to be that there are SO MANY THEORIES available ...that hand readers often get focussed on the (arbitrary) theories that appear to be true in an individual.

And the consequence is that there is little info available about how often a theory has not worked, etc.


By the way, do you agree with the following specification(s)?:

1) Your point is especially true for the 'predictive' branch of palm reading: for, a 'predictive palmist' sort of needs the lines - for making time-related considerations & estimations etc.

But I think it is fair to say that quite a lot of hand readers (especially in many Western cultures) actually avoid presenting 'predictions' to their clients. And for sure ... in the majority of the 'systems' that I introduced in the 'format' of this forum (such as: 'elemental chirology', 'psychodiagnostic chirology' and 'life purpose hand analysis') the lines are actually not much more than AN ASPECT.


2) Regarding your list of 7 hand dimensions, I would like to add that a few other aspects bring significance as well (the first two provide important elements behind scientific discoveries, though the palmistry literature as well presents quite a few 'theories' for them):

- fingerprints & dermatoglyphics
- finger length
- hand shape.


Truthseeker, am looking forward to hear your thought on these specifications!


PS. I prefer to speak about only 3 major hand dimensions:

1) dermatoglyphics; 2) lines; and 3) hand shape


]edit: And one can seperate these three dimensions for: fingers + palm]


Last edited by Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:09 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : edut)

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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  Patti on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:34 pm

Very interesting topic!

I would compare the hands to books. Some books have simple words and a simple story line. Some books are filled with hard to understand phrases and words. And then there's the wide spectrum in between.

With hands you can "choose" to read the simple, basic, or personally preferred features and get a good understanding of what the story is about. But, if you would like to dig deeper and have a more complete understanding of not only a storyline but a process of how and why, it's good to have a broad 'vocabulary' and an indepth understanding of that vocabulary.

Although, the hand is filled with repetitious 'information', and to some hand readers, features too minor to be of significance, for me, I like to have as many perspectives as possible, to paint a complete picture in full color, so to speak. Otherwise, you have a simple outline in black and white.

Even as the people we read are different, with different reactions and perspectives to life's experiences, so too are hand readers. In my opinion, it is not the significance or insignificance of particular features in the hands, but the background, level of understanding, and personal preferences of the hand analysts that play a role in choosing their relevance.

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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:53 pm

Hi Patti!

Thanks for joining this discussion.

Okay, I am trying to understand what you are telling us. In your words, I am wondering about ... how do you value the role of the lines in your spective?

(You didn't mention the lines at all ... so can you specify a bit on TruthSeeker's major topic? )



PS. I understand your idea of working with with multiple perspectives; I would even recommend to work with multiple hand reading systems (and books).

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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  TruthSeeker on Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:39 pm

Martijn,

Your points are well taken.

Let me clarify the gist of my post. What I am alluding is the concept of CONTEXT when it comes to reading hands. The meaning of lines (individual or combination) MUST be interpreted with relevant context. In this case the context is the dimensions I mentioned in my post. Here is a specific example: a clear Sun line does NOT have the same meaning in a square hand with rubber-like skin and palm consistency as compared with a conic hand with soft, flabby skin. Context changes the entire meaning!. This is not a easy concept to understand and you only "get it" after a long, long time and after readings thousands of hands!

Most hand readers simply haven't read enough hands (at least 5000-10,000) to develop the skill to make judgments regarding the dimensions I described. I'm sure you have seen it yourself, beginners in this field oohing and aahing regrading the flawless Sun lines they saw on someone's palm while totally ignoring the context!

Lines could be thought of as "inherent" talent (e.g. genes) while the dimensions I mentioned (palm firmness, depth of major lines, etc.) is what one develops through hard work and effort. Hence, this is my basic point: sure, talent does help but at the end of day it is the effort that one put ins in determines how far they will go in life.

I agree that finger length and hand shape are important. Although finger length does determine hand shape so these might be two aspects of the same thing. Dermatoglyphics are certainly important, but from my discussion this falls in the inherent/genetic category and not in the "self-developed" category like the dimensions I alluded to.

Bottom line: when it comes to deriving meaning from hands, it's all CONTEXT, CONTEXT AND CONTEXT. The context being the dimensions I mentioned. All meaning from lines and their combinations (as well as individual signs) must be filtered via the context (dimensions I mentioned). This is not an easy concept to understand and one that beginner and mid-range hand readers are unaware of.

p.s. the context that I am referring to is not just related to the predictive aspect of hand reading but also the one's current personality state. What I am referring to falls in the purview of the nature-nurture debate in psychology. What I am postulating is a reference to traits in human personality being manifested (and changed) by individual life experience, perception and action (especially action as it relates to the dimensions I described). As you know I am an ex-psychologist so we can talk about it at length from a formal psychology perspective if you wish.

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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  Stefanman on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:05 am

i saw the title,and the looong texts,and to be honest could not read.cos im tired.but i have my big first impression on topic.i guess its the stereotipe that its all about lines,or its just people are not aware of what else is shown on hand.by the way,whole body and EVERY LITTLE part is showing the personality of you.texture,the whole type of hand,the shape of nails,the colour of them,its pretty much how it looks thats the way the person's attribute is.and i am pretty much sure we all have our gut feeling about the style of our look and what represents what.the smallest example is why do you wear clothes with specific colour on specific place...with specific texture *for example* etc...depends on personality.i really feel almost bad for typing this uber simplicity.

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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  TruthSeeker on Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:45 am

I'm afraid you missed the point. It is indeed a very complex topic and much of what I wrote is based on my 40-year independent research of hand reading. I'm not sure everybody who reads the "looong text" will understand it, let alone somebody who is too tired to read the "looong text" and never read it!
lol!

After you have read about 10,000 hands over the next 10-15 years or so, come back and read it again maybe then you'll understand it. Juuuuuuuust kidding!
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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:23 pm

TruthSeeker wrote:Martijn,

Your points are well taken.

Let me clarify the gist of my post. What I am alluding is the concept of CONTEXT when it comes to reading hands. The meaning of lines (individual or combination) MUST be interpreted with relevant context. In this case the context is the dimensions I mentioned in my post. Here is a specific example: a clear Sun line does NOT have the same meaning in a square hand with rubber-like skin and palm consistency as compared with a conic hand with soft, flabby skin. Context changes the entire meaning!. This is not a easy concept to understand and you only "get it" after a long, long time and after readings thousands of hands!

Most hand readers simply haven't read enough hands (at least 5000-10,000) to develop the skill to make judgments regarding the dimensions I described. I'm sure you have seen it yourself, beginners in this field oohing and aahing regrading the flawless Sun lines they saw on someone's palm while totally ignoring the context!
Hello TruthSeeker,

Sure, I fully support your point on CONTEXT.
And we probably agree that Expert hand readers can be recognized by how they use CONTEXT!



But regarding the numbers, I would prefer to add that... the QUALITY of a hand reader does not directly relate to how many hands a person has seen.

For, one can take a superficial look at a million hands... but that doesn't signal any reliable clue about the QUALITY of the observations!

(Extremely large numbers could even signal a lack of QUALITY - but I am aware that you have putten very serious efforts on QUALITY, so I don't mention this point in perspective of your personal numbers that you shared... )



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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:29 pm

Stefanman wrote:i saw the title,and the looong texts,and to be honest could not read.cos im tired.but i have my big first impression on topic.i guess its the stereotipe that its all about lines,or its just people are not aware of what else is shown on hand.by the way,whole body and EVERY LITTLE part is showing the personality of you.texture,the whole type of hand,the shape of nails,the colour of them,its pretty much how it looks thats the way the person's attribute is.and i am pretty much sure we all have our gut feeling about the style of our look and what represents what.the smallest example is why do you wear clothes with specific colour on specific place...with specific texture *for example* etc...depends on personality.i really feel almost bad for typing this uber simplicity.
Yes Stephanman,

I recognize how the image of 'palmistry' (and the prejudgements that people have about hand reading) is usually indeed directly associated with the palmar lines.

I assume as well that TruthSeeker's initiative to start this discussion, is probably somehow related to the point you just made.


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Re: It's NOT all about lines!

Post  TruthSeeker on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:58 am

"...
For, one can take a superficial look at a million hands... but that doesn't signal any reliable clue about the QUALITY of the observations!
..."

Agreed. On the other hand if two students of hand analysis, both of whom are very dedicated, curious and industrious, have read 5000 vs. 20,000 hands, the difference in their skill is VERY obvious! Remember, hand analysis is both knowledge and the application of this knowledge! It is only when knowledge is applied and the lessons learned from this experience that one develops skill.

One can read 100 books on swimming and never step in water, would that make one a swimmer? No! Never! One has to begin with knowledge first and then apply it to develop skill. Developing skill take a LOT of time and effort. Even when I did short (10-15 minute) readings on a beach boardwalk in California, I would always spare a minute or two at the end of the reading for client feedback. I have read a LOT of books over the last 40 years, but at least 50% of my knowledge came from reading hands i.e. by interpolating the knowledge from reading books as well as extending the boundaries of what I had learned earlier! That's how one develops skill.

So does the number of hands one reads matters? Absolutely! Given, of course, that one is a dedicated student of this discipline. Reading books alone is NOT enough!

I am now at at stage where I can very quickly identify the skill of the hand reader by his/her analysis. I can also quite accurately estimate how many hands they have read.

What I wrote about the concept of CONTEXT came from my own research, not from a book. Few palmistry books will tell you that the meaning of lines is totally dependent on the seven dimensions I mentioned. It is indeed a very difficult concept to understand because it increases the complexity level ten-fold! Still, it is perhaps the MOST important concept in all of hand reading and I will discuss it more in future posts.

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