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Post  sanjeevkumarojha on Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:00 pm

Many Palmistry authors say left (or passive) hand palm indicates the potential you are born with and right(or active) hand what you have made it.
If it is so then why lines of left hand palm change?

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  jeanette on Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:35 pm

Hi Sanjeev,
Lines changing on the left hand show the effect of events which are being kept by the inner self and not showing to the outside world. For example on my hands there is registered on the left hand an event that I wanted buried deep in my subconscious and it does not show up on the right. Looks like I was successful in what I wanted. This is what I believe the answer to your question is and hope it helps you. However, it will be interesting to hear other comments.
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Re: Left or Right?

Post  sanjeevkumarojha on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:25 pm

Hello Jeanette
Thanks for your reply. It looks logically correct. Let us see if someone has any other explanation.

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:07 pm

sanjeevkumarojha wrote:Many Palmistry authors say left (or passive) hand palm indicates the potential you are born with and right(or active) hand what you have made it.
If it is so then why lines of left hand palm change?

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Sanjeev
Hello Sanjeev,

First of all, thank you for submitting this question!

Yes, obviously if this 'past vs. present model' had been 100% true then one should never observe any changes in the left hand.

One can also add that there are some typical differences between the left- and right hand:

- there are usually slightly more lines in the left hand;
- the left fingers are usually shorter (especially in right handed people);
- the left palm is usually longer;
- the left palm is usually narrower;
- palmar dermatoglyphics have a more vertical alignment.

I think this implicates that some of the left-right differences... are only natural!!

thinking So, I am wondering... is there any proof which indicates that the left hand is more related to your past than the right hand???

And because there appears to be no such objective, confirmed proof... one could wonder if this model is really reliable.

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PS. Yesterday, I posted a discussion about some other models that relate to the question: 'which hand should we read?'


See: http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iii-modern-palmistry-general-topics-questions-f4/which-hand-should-we-read-right-left-or-both-t127.htm#639

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  sanjeevkumarojha on Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:36 pm

Hello Martijn
Thanks for your reply and greetings from German City Aachen. I guess it must not be far away from your place.

It looks like different theoretical models for some complicated scientific Phenomena!!
Its still not clear which hand should be given a reading?

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:46 pm

sanjeevkumarojha wrote:Hello Martijn
Thanks for your reply and greetings from German City Aachen. I guess it must not be far away from your place.

It looks like different theoretical models for some complicated scientific Phenomena!!
Its still not clear which hand should be given a reading?

Regds
Sanjeev
Hello Sanjeev,

Nice to hear that you're living near the Dutch border!

Regarding your question.... I have a relatively simple recommendation:

Always try to use... hug .... both hands!

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  GoodPalmist on Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:52 am

After watching this topic for 2 days, I've finally decided to voice my opinion.

When I began studying palmistry (25 years ago), I fell under the spell of traditional opinion which is to read the right hand for right handed people and left for left handed.

However, not being able to obtain satisfactory results, I decided to do a simple test.
Each time someone amongst my acquantainces, friends and relatives had a baby, I looked at both palms of the infant. And guess what:
Except for a few cases, the 2 palms were different. Sometimes the differences were major, sometimes minor. This settled the issue for me once and for all. Some events, trends and traits are marked on both hands, some only on one.

I don't fully understand, nor do I think it necessary to understand the medical jargon and reasons for this phenomenon. I now like to look at both hands. Without this, the reading is incomplete and misleading.

Just my two cents.

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:11 am

Hello GoodPalmist,

Thank you for for sharing your experience + opinion. And yes, I agree: if only one hand is considered for making an analysis, the reading is very likely incomplete indeed (because of the differences that the right- and left hand usually may show more or less).


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Post  Pamelah on Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:40 pm

sanjeevkumarojha wrote:Many Palmistry authors say left (or passive) hand palm indicates the potential you are born with and right(or active) hand what you have made it.
If it is so then why lines of left hand palm change?

Regds
Sanjeev

Sanjeev, I don't believe this the only or even an accurate perspective on the purpose of each hand. It doesn't make sense for the exact reason you are asking here - if you were born with something, why would it change? I think the left hand or passive hand, is more about personal perspective that is shared around people you know well and have a strong connection with - maybe family, friends, lovers, partners, a close community of people.

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Post  Pamelah on Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:48 pm

Yes, obviously if this 'past vs. present model' had been 100% true then one should never observe any changes in the left hand.

One can also add that there are some typical differences between the left- and right hand:

- there are usually slightly more lines in the left hand;
- the left fingers are usually shorter (especially in right handed people);
- the left palm is usually longer;
- the left palm is usually narrower;
- palmar dermatoglyphics have a more vertical alignment.

These things are not true of my hands so I wonder how this could be true in general, Martijn. I know you are big on research but I'm wondering where this info comes from. My fingers are are longer on my left, for example and I'm right handed. Or maybe I'm just the excpetion



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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:07 pm

Hi Pamelah,

Yes, the 5 points that I mentioned are all research-based. But of course, most of these points are only 'tendencies'... so, your feedback that your left fingers are longer is not unusual at all (even though you're right handed).

Thanks for your comment!! wave


PS. Pamelah, for your info... especially the 5th point is applicable to (from what I remind) about 90% to 95% of people. I could substantiate all 5 points, but that would go far beyond the intend to this discussion (but if you would like to hear more about one of more of those points... I will be happy to create a new specified discussion, etc).

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Post  jeanette on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:29 pm

When my father took a bad stroke and was paralysed down the left side. I was asked,along with other people, who had relatives this had happened to, to go to a meeting so as they could explain what had happened and what to expect. There was a specialist, a doctor, and two nurses and we were told about what they called the crossover effect. They said when, like my father, the left side was paralysed it was the right side of the brain which was affected and said that was the side with the logic, reason etc. When the right side was paralysed it was the left side of the brain that was affected being the emotions etc. My father never went home after that stroke and lived for another 3years in a nursing home. When I visited, because of what I had been told I used to look at the other residents and the ones who were paralysed on the right side did a lot of crying. My father was very agitated, trying to remember things. Do you think they have changed this analysis now.
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:45 pm

jeanette wrote:When my father took a bad stroke and was paralysed down the left side. I was asked,along with other people, who had relatives this had happened to, to go to a meeting so as they could explain what had happened and what to expect. There was a specialist, a doctor, and two nurses and we were told about what they called the crossover effect. They said when, like my father, the left side was paralysed it was the right side of the brain which was affected and said that was the side with the logic, reason etc. When the right side was paralysed it was the left side of the brain that was affected being the emotions etc. My father never went home after that stroke and lived for another 3years in a nursing home. When I visited, because of what I had been told I used to look at the other residents and the ones who were paralysed on the right side did a lot of crying. My father was very agitated, trying to remember things. Do you think they have changed this analysis now.
Jeanette.
Hi Jeanette,

Your story is for sure very interesting!

scratch However, I am wondering... is this EXACTLY what the told you?
(You described that they told you: right side of brain = connected with logic; left side of brain = connected with emotions)

But they should have told you the 'reversed' story...! (See the picture below)

NOTICE: In the other discussion about this "left vs right hand" topic, I explained a few more details (including the picture):
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iii-modern-palmistry-general-topics-questions-f4/which-hand-should-we-read-right-left-or-both-t127.htm



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Re: Left or Right?

Post  jeanette on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:16 pm

Now I am confused, but the ones I observed if the right side was paralysed they were emotional and if the left they were agitated and questioning everything, not with much sense.In my work as a carer I went to one woman whose right side was paralysed and she cried non stop. However, there was never a tear.
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:03 pm

jeanette wrote:Now I am confused, but the ones I observed if the right side was paralysed they were emotional and if the left they were agitated and questioning everything, not with much sense.In my work as a carer I went to one woman whose right side was paralysed and she cried non stop. However, there was never a tear.
Jeanette.
thinking Well Jeanette,

Maybe your experience actually proves why the 'brain map model' was sort of rejected long ago!

So, maybe there is not need to get confused... if you remind the details indeed correct, then I think the 'brain map model' illustrates that the typical responses of brain patients can not be directly extrapolated to people who do not suffer on brain paralysis...???

Anyhow, It's a complex topic anyway... thanks for sharing!! lol!

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Ron on Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:53 pm

Well in Elemental Chirology, it works like this,

If an individual is right handed then the right hand indicates the conscious features of the individual and the left hand indicates the unconscious features of the individual, and vice-versa if the individual is left-handed.

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:11 pm

Ron wrote:Well in Elemental Chirology, it works like this,

If an individual is right handed then the right hand indicates the conscious features of the individual and the left hand indicates the unconscious features of the individual, and vice-versa if the individual is left-handed.
Hi Ron,

That's a variant of the 'handedness model', which I described in the other discussion about this topic:
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iii-modern-palmistry-general-topics-questions-f4/which-hand-should-we-read-right-left-or-both-t127.htm

And yes, Jennifer has included the 'handedness model' in her book... but I would love to hear Lynn's thought about that aspect of Elemental Chirology (just like Jennifer, Lynn has studied the same basics of the model).

I am sceptic about this approach....

(Though I can imagine why people continue to use this model... focussing on the right hand appears to work for a lot people - simply because the large majority of people is right handed!!).


PS. I think over the years many hand reading experts became aware that this 'handedness model' often doesn't work for people who are left-handed... probably because the brain-hemisphere swap theory for left handedness is not much more then a myth.

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:08 am

Just a reminder...
Lynn, would you be interested to comment on my former post?


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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Lynn on Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:56 am

Sorry Martijn, I did notice your request but (as you know) have continuing forum access problems. But tonight I have fast upload! happy move

I am being lazy and copying from my website http://www.handanalysis.co.uk/faq.htm#q1. Really I think the left/right question is much more complex than this, but this is how I say it more simply on my site

"People often ask "which hand do you look at?". You have to study both hands. In traditional palmistry, if you are right handed, they say "the left is what the gods give you, the right is what you do with it." This is a bit simplistic and misleading - we were given both hands, the lines on both hands change, so we do something with both hands! The hand you write with is your dominant or active hand. It reflects the conscious you, your public face, you 'out in the world', what you have actively developed. The other hand, the passive or minor hand, is more about the subconscious, your private face, the inner you, your instincts, your latent abilities. So we have to look at and compare both hands to see the 'whole' person."

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:18 am

Okay, thanks Lynn!!

Obviously you're using the basic principle of the 'handedness model' as well, but I am glad to see that you also point out that it is important always to consider both hands (actually, that is what Jennifer also writes in her book).

So, I guess the implication of what you write is that people should at least understand that it is probably not wise to use only one hand only.



PS. How do you value the following info?

http://www.indiana.edu/~primate/brain.html


"WHAT DOES HANDEDNESS HAVE TO DO
WITH BRAIN LATERALIZATION?"


"The same chap that identified a region of the brain specialized for language Paul Broca (Paul Broca) also suggested that a person's handedness was opposite from the specialized hemisphere (so a right-handed person probably has a left-hemispheric language specialization). But the kick is: this is not a mirror correlation (that is, a majority of left-handers also seem to have a left-hemispheric brain specialization for language abilities). Tricky business, eh? For over 150 years, many researchers have been trying to figure out this robust-but-imperfect correlation between handedness and brain lateralization. We are still trying."

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Re: Left or Right?

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:30 am

Hi Ron,

Well, regarding your example... I think it may relate to the fact that 4 out of the last 5 US presidents were left handed (including Barack Obama).

... But Ron, could you explain how your example relates to the topic of this discussion?



PS. From my point of view I think your example + the US president example... might serve as just an another illustration that one should better avoid the 'handedness swap theory', because there might not be any realistic foundation behind that theory.

(Though again, in the majority of people it might just work fine.... simply because the majort is right handed!)

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  sv-b on Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:59 am

Hello martijn, Smile

Traditional and predictive palmists of india are still following the rule left hand for females. They have philosophical explanations as well for this theory. On the other hand, such as diagnol swap of brain stem functions, as explained by modern palmists, are related to motor nervous system. So, That can be nothing to do with the prediction and spirituality. Hence, Those remain blind assumption of , so called "modern palmists".

I have proved the theory , left hand for females, manytimes with examples when i was in piforum.



This is the picture which can explain you the side affinity of hindu's philosophy in relation to the gender variations........!

Right Half is lord.shiva and left-half is being consort of shiva, named shakthi.

Pictorial signs on the palm such as Trident sign, snake sign, half-moon sign, lotus sign, ear-ring sign, spear sign, etc are represented in this picture 'arthanareeswara' which are again being the manifestation of lord siva and parvati.

All divination of india has influence
on this principle. ie.. moleoscopy and body mark reading too has variations in relation with gender. left side moles on female body benefits her generally, and right side benefits males. same with swirls on head and face.


P.S: Second opinions are accepted if only you can provide either scientific proofs or spiritual theories or alternative theories.
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Re: Left or Right?

Post  Lynn on Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:08 am

hi stalin, I am interested to know how you "proved the theory , left hand for females, manytimes with examples when i was in piforum."

Personally I think it is important to look at both hands of males and females.

This theory of 'left hand for women' goes back many centuries, but even in year 1450 Metham's manuscript says -

"You must consider that this science requires that you behold both the right hand and the left hand, of both men and women, not withstanding that the principal tokens for a man are in his right hand whilst those of a woman are in her left hand."

http://www.cheirology.net/history/msmetham.htm

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Re: Left or Right?

Post  sv-b on Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:31 am

Hello lynn, Smile

I've just given the reference from where this idea began. Indeed, This idea, 'left hand for females and right hand for males' remain universal . Because, I confirmed this traditional indian idea after reading the hands of american girls and foreigners hand through forum. one of such american women , physician had broken fate lines on right hand and straight and long fate line on the left. Observer, One of the member of piforum.net had presented this case study and claimed that this women, more than 50 years of age, have never changed her profession with multiples breaks on her fate line in the right hand. There i proved the theory. some peoples claim that, in ancient india , many womens remained house-wives. hence, this theory, 'left hand for women' was made. but, it was wrong assumption of them as i could see the evidence fro the theory "left hand for females" from the hands of american womens who are being professionals.

Again , i say here that 'left hand for females' and 'right hand for males' are the classical principle used by the traditional indian palmists. Many charletan palmists in india dont know the origin and tradition of indian palmistry and they never come across the classic indian scriptures. Hence, They follow the idea of westerns.

Nadi astrologers in india, use to read the left thumb prints of female and right thumb prints of male and predict present , past, future, name of the person , and name of the family members, and confirms date of birth. Again , All this principles and practices are based on ''Arthanareeswar". Each and every parts and weapons and tools which are been holded by this deity explains innumerable principle and philosophy of the world. It includes palmistry too.

P.S: I can explain the variation between male and women scientifically as well. There are difference between male and female scientifically too. Anatomically, physiologically , psychologically males and females are not same.

On the other hand, pyramidal track of brain stem has diagonal swaps of the motor nerves. Afferent and efferent fibers of the motor nerves transmit the signals of movement. ie., flexion, extension of limbs and body. But, It is nothing to do with the prediction or hand reading as claimed by so called modern palmists. If a palmist try to relate motor nerves with side affinity of hand reading, it remains empty speculation and blind assumption.

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