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Post  anand_palm on Sun May 22, 2011 4:30 pm

Hello Martinj, patti, lynn, stalin

I have seen in few people having mercury finger length crossing the above the first phalange of appollo finger.

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Re: Rarity of finger length

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun May 22, 2011 5:38 pm

Hello Anand,

Sorry, I am not sure that I understood what you are trying to described:

I assume that you're talking about a pinky finger which crosses the upper interphalangeal crease in the ring finger? (Though this is a characteristic that is often seen in males)

scratch ... If I misunderstood your words, can you please specify what you exactly observed?

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Re : finger lengfth

Post  anand_palm on Mon May 23, 2011 3:34 pm

Hello Martin J

When the mercury finger length ios totally measured, it the length of the mercury finger reaches uptil 3/4 of length of the appollo finger. like eisntein hand is the best standing example which i can describe with. he has the finger length crossing above the first phalange (the marking) of apollo finger, this i find very rare here. finger crossing the atleast 1/3 above the first phalange (length of top phalange of apollo) of appollo finger.

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Re: Rarity of finger length

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon May 23, 2011 7:29 pm


Hello Anand,

Thank you for explaining what you have in mind; and yes, now I understand what you describe.

And yes, ALbert Einstein has a long pinky finger (leftt hand only, not his right hand). However... I would not describe it as exceptionally long, because there are many males who have likewise long fingers (my estimate would be that around 5% of males have a likewise long pinky finger).




By the way, regarding the length of Einstein's pinky finger...

Actually, last year I developed a method for describing the relative length of the pinky finger compared to the full hand length, see:
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t187-how-long-is-your-pinky-finger-really?highlight=how+long+pinky+finger

Applying this method to Einstein's hand, indeed confirms that his pinky finger is 'very long', my measurements for Einstein's left hand results in a percentage of 34.6% - which is only just above the 34.5% criterium to discriminate a 'long' pinky finger from a 'very long' pinky finger.

So, my method confirms my own observation that Einstein's finger is not 'exceptionally' long. And therefore I think it his finger should not be described as 'rare'.


I hope this will now make sense for you as well.
(Maybe you'll just have to study more hands in order to get more experienced...?)

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts & observations!

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Re : Mercury finger Length

Post  anand_palm on Sat May 28, 2011 2:37 pm

Hello MartinJ , Patti


Dont you think measuring the length of fingers should be in length of other fingers, we can say a finger is long when we only do a comparison with other fingers. Ofcourse i do understand that when we try to find out long fingers we do it based on comparison with the palm. There is one simple question which i have, do we seperate fingers as a seperate system and palm as a seprate system. The reason is if we separate fingers as system then we can compare only fingers not using palm(That means we measure in relation to fingers. the moment we combine fingers with palm then we have to also to combine other system (Like finger dermatoglyhpics+palmar dermatoglyphics). The reason why iam asking is that there is a paper which i had sent you on quauntittaive traits which mentions that finger variables are controlled by seperate variable (kind of supporting butler theory which states fingers as a whole form a seperate unit) and palmar varaiables are controlled by different set of variables (ofcourse this in repsect to dermatoglyhpics) but it should be applicable to the hand as a a whole. I would appreciate your reply.

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Re: Rarity of finger length

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat May 28, 2011 4:24 pm

anand_palm wrote:Hello MartinJ , Patti

Dont you think measuring the length of fingers should be in length of other fingers, we can say a finger is long when we only do a comparison with other fingers. ...

Hello Anand,

No, I think there is multiple evidence which shows why the 'classic' method of measuring fingerlength of the pinky finger to the distal interphalangeal crease of the ring finger is actually very 'problematic'.

Because the result of this 'classic' method depends directly on the position of the hand / fingers - so it is not a STABLE factor. So this is the 2nd significant factor - next to the 'setting' of the pinky finger - which prooves why the 'classic' method is not only invalid, it is also unreliable.

Neverthless, of course... any experienced hand reader can try to avoid the effects of these problems by working conscientious by using a precise & methodologic method. However, even then this continues to be an arbitrary approach.

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PS. I don't think there is any need to 'seperate' the fingers from the palm. Because the 'art of palm reading' is often described as an 'art of finding meaningfull combinations'; and only combinations that relate to features of the palm AND the fingers... can be described as relating to the full hand.

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Re : Rarity of mercury length

Post  anand_palm on Tue May 31, 2011 3:20 pm

Hello MatrinJ

I appreciate your novel method, i have beeen doing some research on this by collecting papers and this paper which i mention based on data collection they are proving that fingers operate as a sepearte variable which validates buttler theory. So my thought was that if so then we should just measure the finger length as such not even with phalanges but jsut the length and compare. Only just finger length with no relation to palm (Like only length of mercury finger, saturn finger). The reason is data collection shows the finger variables operate seperately from palm if so then finger should be treated as an independent entity, in fact penrose formula also treat finger variable as sperate (he calls it as digits). I would appreciate your comments.

This is the link (See page 69 on butler theory)
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/toanthj/articles/V002/64TOANTHJ.pdf

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