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Post  sv-b on Tue May 24, 2011 9:27 pm


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http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t35p45-fourth-phalange-on-my-little-finger#8890


Hello patti, Smile

Nice to know that your preference is mostly on "why"?

I have few questions for you.

1. why we humans have dermatoglypics, apart from one of the naturalistic reasoning of shock absorption?

2. Why do we have palmar crease, apart from the naturalistic reasoning of comfortable flexion and extension of palm and finger joints?

3. why do we all have different patterns of palm lines and dermatoglypics, which has no scientific reasoning so far, nor genetic tendencies were present?

4. Why do peoples of modern science like anatomy , physiology , neurology , embryology, genetics , forensic experts, refuse to accept the viewpoints of palmistry, eschews the palm readers , and looking at palmists as a entertainers?

5. Why do, so called , modern palmists, all the time looking the ideas of science although they neglect the idea of prediction and character reading through hands?

6. why do some palmists , try to get supports from the statistics results of science, for it's recognition?

7. Why do all knowing medical science have no evidence to support palmistry?

8. Do we have something immaterial dynamic force in us, which rules the organism unbounded sway? if yes, how the materialistic science can answer the immaterial forces of human?

9. is there any connection between materialism and idealism? if yes , what is that?

10. Do philosophical understandings require for understanding palmistry?

Hi patti, i expect answer from you for above 10 questions. if time does not permit , then make your answer brief.

Because, Unless we are clear in the principle of palmistry, we can be only circling around in our discussion without any scope of solution and end. Smile

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Post  Patti on Tue May 24, 2011 9:55 pm

1. Tactile, friction and grip.
2. Your answer is fine.
3. skin texture and other individual physical attributes
4. You'll have to ask them.
5. You'll have to ask those that you think have this approach.
6. It helps to know if a feature is common or not so common.
7. I don't think this is true. Up until now the medical and science fields are more interested in results that can be repeated and verified. Mostly they have been concerned about birth defects, syndromes and diseases. It is also known that coping with defects, syndromes, mental illness and disease also affects a person's behavior and personality. Personality profiler results such as the MBTI have been compared to hand features.
8. I think yes. I'm working on that answer myself. I think 'spirit' or 'soul' is in every living cell.
9. "you are what you eat"
10. It's helpful to have as much understanding of human nature as possible. There are systems in palmistry that could allow a computer to be programed to interpret hand features. It could be helpful in the same way as studying the results of a personality quiz. But, it wouldn't replace the exchange that can happen between individuals in a conversation or a coaching session.

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Post  sv-b on Tue May 24, 2011 10:29 pm

Hello patti, Smile

I seriously expect answers from you in terms of palmistry, as you're being a professional palmist , rather than making statements in general terms which is been even known by common man; Especially to my initial questions. and some of your answers were not sounded like responsible one. Especially when you say me to ask question to the medical professions. Frankly speaking, what modern palmists call the hand reading as 'science'
remains unscientific to professional peoples of modern medical science. dont you agree?

Also would like to know which philosophy you would like to apply to frame the principle of palmistry? Smile

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Post  Patti on Tue May 24, 2011 10:48 pm

stalin.v wrote:
Also would like to know which philosophy you would like to apply to frame the principle of palmistry? Smile

Self Awareness

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Post  sv-b on Tue May 24, 2011 10:53 pm

Patti wrote:
stalin.v wrote:
Also would like to know which philosophy you would like to apply to frame the principle of palmistry? Smile

Self Awareness

That can be done even without the help of palmistry too as many peoples do. but, you did not understand my question at all. I try to re-phrase it.

' On what philosophical background, the idea of palmistry is been constructed? '


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Post  Patti on Tue May 24, 2011 10:53 pm

stalin.v wrote:Frankly speaking, what modern palmists call the hand reading as 'science'
remains unscientific to professional peoples of modern medical science. dont you agree?

What is a "modern palmist"?

Science = qualitative and quantitative.

Esoteric - not easily measurable and not necessarily repeatable. Each reader using a mix of undefined and unexplainable skills or abilities.

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Post  Patti on Tue May 24, 2011 10:55 pm

stalin.v wrote:
Patti wrote:
stalin.v wrote:
Also would like to know which philosophy you would like to apply to frame the principle of palmistry? Smile

Self Awareness

That can be done even without the help of palmistry too as many peoples do. but, you did not understand my question at all. I try to re-phrase it.

' On what philosophical background, the idea of palmistry is constructed? '

Seriously Stalin!
That answer is unique to each palm reader. Just look at the introduction to the books that are already available.

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Post  sv-b on Tue May 24, 2011 11:05 pm

Hello patti, Smile

It will be a real hilarious if that is being the common unique answer of each palmist. If that is the answer, that means, peoples who are not knowing palmistry become unaware of themselves.

Let me give you some example. Every science is based on the principles. Even some abstract science is also constructed based on principles . later those science will be developed by the followers. it gives benefit to the humanity. Likewise, palmistry can be a abstract science which give benefits to the humanity. That benefit is being what you termed self-awareness . but, i would like to know what sort of theory or principle or philosophy you use to prove palmistry is 'true'. Thus, on what principle the whole idea of palmistry is functioning? Hope, you got my question now. Sad

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Post  Patti on Tue May 24, 2011 11:45 pm

stalin.v wrote:Hello patti, Smile

It will be a real hilarious if that is being the common unique answer of each palmist. If that is the answer, that means, peoples who are not knowing palmistry become unaware of themselves.

Let me give you some example. Every science is based on the principles. Even some abstract science is also constructed based on principles . later those science will be developed by the followers. it gives benefit to the humanity. Likewise, palmistry can be a abstract science which give benefits to the humanity. That benefit is being what you termed self-awareness . but, i would like to know what sort of theory or principle or philosophy you use to prove palmistry is 'true'. Thus, on what principle the whole idea of palmistry is functioning? Hope, you got my question now. Sad

Stalin,
I cannot speak for the entire palmistry community around the world. I can only tell you my philosophy. My style of reading hands is based on people being better able to understand themselves. "Know thyself" is a good basic start to any philosophy or path.

Truth, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.

Perhaps someone else would care to share their thoughts or answers with you?

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Post  sv-b on Wed May 25, 2011 12:35 am

It is a curse when modern hand readers are Boasting that palmistry is based on no principles.

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Post  knox gillespie on Wed May 25, 2011 3:52 pm

Palmistry maps many human forces, But the real is, a rational index is shown in every hand, my purpose is explaining this big mind picture to my client.

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Post  sv-b on Wed May 25, 2011 4:23 pm

Hello knox, Smile

Thanks for your input. It is true whether predictive palmists or character reading palmists , both could collect some information about a person through reading the hand. If it is true, how the first man, who invented the science of palmistry come to this idea? on what principle he might have used? Many of you are talking about result/effect. i am asking about cause!
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Post  Parender on Wed May 25, 2011 4:28 pm

stalin.v wrote:It is a curse when modern hand readers are Boasting that palmistry is based on no principles.

Opinions are welcomed.. Sad





I don’t know any palmist or hand analyst who boasts that palmistry is based on no principles and still in the profession. If they say so they themselves are living lives of no principles. I want to ask them if they know the very meaning of word ‘Palmistry” or ‘Principle’. If not I can tell them that -
‘Palmistry’ has been derived from French during the period 1050-1475 AD. The word ‘Palme’ means ‘Palm’ and ‘estrie’ is taken from ‘masterie’ the English meaning of which is ‘Mastery’.
Do they know the meaning of ‘principle’?
I will tell them. It is a basic generalization that is accepted as true and that can be used as a basis for reasoning, a basic truth or law or assumption, a rule concerning a natural phenomenon or the function of a complex system, an explanation of the fundamental reasons of the working of some device in terms of science, study or laws of nature. The study of palmistry provides all these features without any doubt. Palmistry has principles, good principles.
This is a wonderful gift to every person from God to know and understand ourselves which we say human hand. This is a kind of horoscope. In my opinion these lines are nature’s given marks, which nobody can steal or tear it like a paper nor these could be removed or erased. In the original Hebrew of the book of job (chapter xxxvii, vol. 7) we find these significant words “God caused signs or seals on the hands of all the sons of men that the sons of men know their work”. Palmistry helps us to know and understand the meanings of these signs or seals on the hands to know our work.

The original intent of palmistry was for personality assessment and counseling. In later years the researchers and practitioners started using this artful science in foretelling the future by assuming that the person will behave or react in a particular fashion in the given circumstances.

Through decades of scientific research, the hand has come to be recognized as a powerful tool in the diagnosis of psychological, medical and genetic condition because this branch of science has repetitive results. Dermatoglyphic - study of fingerprints a part of palmistry – is definitely a science. I think they don’t know How & Why Hand Analysis and Palm Reading Works.

I will tell for that “naach na jane aangan tedea” meaning: Know no dance, claims the stage is tilted. Meaning: said of a person without skill who blames others for his failures.
Why you consider it a curse? Don’t pay any heed to such thankless persons. Let them deal with their emotions as they like. You Enjoy!
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Post  sv-b on Wed May 25, 2011 5:08 pm

Hello pms sethi, Smile

Thanks for your input. Ofcourse, Noone can claim in this forum that i am a non-believer of palmistry.

But you forget to say the principle of palmistry. Medical science had done researches and formed their statistics rates in related to dermatoglypics. but holding those statistics in hand and claiming that those are another form of palmistry make no sense while science eschews palmistry. Even the statistics of science in palm lines is not the scientifically absolute as those are seen only in rare cases , not in all the cases.Hence, It is not the powerful tool for diagnosing the case. Rather, For sure , i know that No physician see the palm for diagnosis except for the examination of pallor, cyanosis, clubbing, etc., Again, similarly doctors tend to check oral cavity for the same reason.

Hope, Now you can explain the principle of palmistry as you appeared to be interested in this subject lot. Smile

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Post  Lynn on Thu May 26, 2011 1:14 am

Patti & Parender, I think you have done a good job in trying to answer stalin's questions. Thumbs up!
stalin, you always like to present us with challenges! Very Happy
I think the truth is, nobody really know HOW or WHY palmistry works! Shocked
I can only think of the lines & markings on the palm as being something like a "coded computer print-out" of the neural activity between the brain & hands. We know that there are more neural connections between the brain & hands than any other part of the body. We do so many things with our hands - they are constantly sending neural input to the brain and receiving neural messages, both sensory & motor neural impulses. I read that if our hands were proportioned according to the number of nerve endings, our hands would be the size of beach umbrellas! Have you heard of the cortical homunculus? How our bodies would appear if proportioned according to the number of motor or sensory nerves in the brain? (sorry I am having computer problems, I can't show you the image - search images for cortical homunculus)

(edit PS) - stalin you ask about principles. Of course I learnt 5 element hand analysis which is based on the principles of the elements - earth, water, fire, air, ether.

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Post  sv-b on Thu May 26, 2011 5:40 am

Lynn wrote:Patti & Parender, I think you have done a good job in trying to answer stalin's questions. Thumbs up!
stalin, you always like to present us with challenges! Very Happy
I think the truth is, nobody really know HOW or WHY palmistry works! Shocked
I can only think of the lines & markings on the palm as being something like a "coded computer print-out" of the neural activity between the brain & hands. We know that there are more neural connections between the brain & hands than any other part of the body. We do so many things with our hands - they are constantly sending neural input to the brain and receiving neural messages, both sensory & motor neural impulses. I read that if our hands were proportioned according to the number of nerve endings, our hands would be the size of beach umbrellas! Have you heard of the cortical homunculus? How our bodies would appear if proportioned according to the number of motor or sensory nerves in the brain? (sorry I am having computer problems, I can't show you the image - search images for cortical homunculus)

(edit PS) - stalin you ask about principles. Of course I learnt 5 element hand analysis which is based on the principles of the elements - earth, water, fire, air, ether.


Thanks lynn!

Let us talk about 5 element cheirology. you are the first person who appear to give principle of palmistry. However, 5 Element cheirology is not a universal palmistry, rather, one of the branch of palmistry. However, as you could pinpoint the principle, This must be taken into the context. Lynn, can you give philosophical explanations further about 'how you want to relate the 5 natural elements with our hand.' Does it come under Religious philosophy or Naturalism or Scientifical etc.,

other's thoughts are welcomed as well. Smile

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Post  Lynn on Thu May 26, 2011 1:35 pm

Sory Stalin I never studied philosophy, so I can't give a philosophical explanation.

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Post  sv-b on Thu May 26, 2011 2:03 pm

Hello lynn, Smile

Philosophies will be worthless if you studied either from universities or from yourself. It should be just understood for it's application and use.

Let me take back the word 'philosophy' if you feel it as strange. Just how would you like to relate 5 elements with the hands ? it is spiritual relationship or scientific relationship or naturalistic relationship? Smile

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Post  Patti on Thu May 26, 2011 2:16 pm

One of the first palmistry books I read was by Judith Hipskin. I have always applied one of her suggestions. To paraphrase:

"Don't cut the strings that hold a person together."

Which I interpreted to mean that we may think we're really smart to be able to identify people's flaws and tell them what's wrong with them, but not so wise in how we tell them. We become the ones who push them over the edge.

I have made this a sort of philosophy or rule which I guess some of you see from time to time when I get upset with irresponsible readings.

"Do no harm." is another good philosophy.


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Post  knox gillespie on Thu May 26, 2011 2:32 pm

1. Inherent geometry in nature, even space and vacuum have this.
2.same as 1
3.Not a well thought question
4.fundamentalism of the past
5 Modern palmist is in transition with new science
6 Not a clear question, labeling readers
7 Not true, simian line
8 yes,presently it can't
9 Too vague , connection is everywhere
10 yes
11 Not true, some people are circling, some are understanding, the index of reason is the key concept , there are not many long fingers in prehistoric times.

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Post  Patti on Thu May 26, 2011 2:38 pm

knox gillespie wrote:1. Inherent geometry in nature, even space and vacuum have this.

Thumbs up! Yes

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Post  sv-b on Thu May 26, 2011 2:59 pm

Hello patti, Smile

1. Philosophers push the humanity to get away from the ignorance, where as they are been pulled towards upto the death by this ignorant society., This what we could find from the long run of history.

2. Kill your teacher and family members to demonstrate the righteousness.This what gita says. So, we need to know that philosophy has multiple dimensions. But it should be appropriate to what we discuss. Smile


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Post  Patti on Thu May 26, 2011 3:08 pm

stalin.v wrote:Hello patti, Smile

1. Philosophers push the humanity to get away from the ignorance, where as they are been pulled towards till the death., This what we could find from the long run of history.

2. Kill your teacher and family members to demonstrate the righteousness.This what gita says. So, we need to know that philosophy has multiple dimensions. But it should be appropriate to what we discuss. Smile

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Post  sv-b on Thu May 26, 2011 3:31 pm

What patti, ..
This is what the philosophy is. . .
Go with the following link, read the philosophy, if possible buy the book soon.. You can understand entire philosophy of the world ,

http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t822-bhagavad-gita-english-version-hindu-s-holy-text

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Post  Patti on Thu May 26, 2011 3:40 pm

stalin.v wrote:What patti, ..
This is what the philosophy is. . .
Go with the following link, read the philosophy, if possible buy the book soon.. You can understand entire philosophy of the world ,

http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t822-bhagavad-gita-english-version-hindu-s-holy-text

I have the book Stalin. I didn't understand why you mentioned killing others to make a point of 'righteousness'.

Some may also describe Issac's father Abraham as 'righteous', others might describe him as schizophrenic. Today hearing voices, and attempting to follow the voices, that tell you to kill your child to prove 'blind faith' would (or should) be kept at a safe distance from those they can harm.

You may enjoy reading "The Philosopher's Toolkit" by Julian Baggini and Peter S. Fosl.

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