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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:10 am

Patti wrote:This last sample is from the pair of hands where you were the person who asked me to describe the lines. I did but you didn't notice.

You probably haven't read the associated post either.

But anyway, the green markings represent group of creases that show flexing together when the hand bunches in some repeated motion.

There is a second image colored differently. I explained myself fairly in detail in the comment.

This is another example of my comments being superficially read and then misrepresented by you. Arrrrgh!!!!

Good night!


Sorry Patti, I think the picture only shows a very clear straight (fate) line that progresses through the head line.

Speculations about how such a line could actually be composed of various line parts... are not supported by the details seen in that line at all.

(Apparently you allow yourself to use phantasy to build and construct your arguments)

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Post  Patti on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:18 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Patti wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:

Finally, regarding your last 2 comments... apparently you don't remember that earlier in this discussion there was a person who has found a life line that is rising above A-B plain and not far away from the fingers

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WAIT!!! Are you acknowledging the longitudinal crease that rises above the A-B plane as the life line? I mean, like, in agreement with me?? I almost missed that!!
lol!

Oh...nooo! No Patti... you are that 'person'!

(Maybe you had forgotten that just like Lynn I have described that example to have a 'short life line' and a 'n 'normal fate line')

Above you are describing it as a life that rises above the A-B plane. Earlier you described it as a normal fate line. But, I think you can see if fits the description for the bone structure over the middle and lower part of the hand that you just presented. I think you are now going to continue to find support for this location of the thenar crease.

I'm not concerned about the medical/surgical terminology that the thenar crease begins centrally above the wrist. This is important to them for surgical procedures and other reasons, as is knowing the thenar crease is found over the middle finger metacarpal. The middle finger has been seen as the dividing factor of the palm. Here we see the thenar crease in its location on this bone and if you look at muscle sketches it is in between the thenar and hypothenar eminences

I've already pointed out that the branches that curve around the thumb appear influenced by the main line from the t triradius.
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:20 am

Patti wrote:

Banana waving


Patti, I remember 'striping' that post: after I had posted that request during reading through new posts... I decided to withdraw that request a few minutes later (after I noticed that in a later post you had already shared a few thoughts about that print).

If you think that's worth a banana... scratch ... okay, fine.

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Post  Patti on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:20 am

Martijn (admin) wrote: (Apparently you allow yourself to use phantasy to build and construct your arguments)

I think we're finished here. No
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Post  Patti on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:22 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Patti wrote:

Banana waving


Patti, I remember 'striping' that post: after I had posted that request during reading through new posts... I decided to withdraw that request a few minutes later (after I noticed that in a later post you had already shared a few thoughts about that print).

If you think that's worth a banana... scratch ... okay, fine.

That was in regards to one paragraph. I wrote a very detailed post with two images. You obviously were not paying attention.
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Post  Patti on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:23 am

https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t166p105-any-body-can-give-any-answer-for-this-length-life-line#22445

Martijn (admin) wrote:

And I would like to introduce one more hand example... ( hand dance )

For, in the example below we can see in the right hand... that a short life line does not mean that the 'sagittal crease' should therefore be described as a 'life line'... because in this example I think it is obvous that the central vertical crease clearly fits for the typical LOCATION, PATH, DIRECTION & STRUCTURE of a fate line!

Patti, are you able to confirm for this example that we see a 'short life line' only... feature with a clear (normal) fate line only?


PS. Regarding the left hand in this person: it is also interesting to take a look at the left hand: the fate line is shorter there and it stops at the head line and pointing towards the zone between the middle finger and index finger... and I think it is obvious that there is no ground at all to associate that central line with a life line. So, the left hand provides here also no ground at all to question the observation that the right hand presents a short life line only!


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Patti wrote:I have long observed the parallel nature of creases and their association with each other. One of the medical descriptions of the creases included describing how creases line up in parallel sections illustrating a particular flexure movement or position of the hand. These relate to how the skin bunches up or flexes during this position.

If you study these green lines for a while, it appears they might be related to pinching items such as a pen or eating utencils. Regardless of what activity formed them, I think they relate to each other.
Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 8 Dirk1011


In the image below, starting from the thumb side, typically most hands have some sort of rising 'ambition' line that rises toward the inside of the index finger. I have colored this influence line or section, yellow.

The green inner line is a short start of a life line, an inner life line or a Mars line.

Further out a short green line appears from the head line down to the long longitudinal crease. Following the flow of the line colored in green in my earlier images - the section I colored yellow/green/orange is most likely formed as part of this group. The spacing is right for a crease in the bunching of skin during flexure. It does not rise high enough to transform the rest of the crease below into a fate line. The rest is colored green for life line.

This green outer line forms the boundary between the thenar and hypothenar eminences.

The orange creases are fate line related. These particular ones I marked are concerned with the middle finger the most.
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Bump

Since you had uploaded the hands I thought you would have recognized the palm.


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:23 am

Patti wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
Patti wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:

Finally, regarding your last 2 comments... apparently you don't remember that earlier in this discussion there was a person who has found a life line that is rising above A-B plain and not far away from the fingers

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 8 Dirk1011

WAIT!!! Are you acknowledging the longitudinal crease that rises above the A-B plane as the life line? I mean, like, in agreement with me?? I almost missed that!!
lol!

Oh...nooo! No Patti... you are that 'person'!

(Maybe you had forgotten that just like Lynn I have described that example to have a 'short life line' and a 'n 'normal fate line')

Above you are describing it as a life that rises above the A-B plane. Earlier you described it as a normal fate line. But, I think you can see if fits the description for the bone structure over the middle and lower part of the hand that you just presented. I think you are now going to continue to find support for this location of the thenar crease.

I'm not concerned about the medical/surgical terminology that the thenar crease begins centrally above the wrist. This is important to them for surgical procedures and other reasons, as is knowing the thenar crease is found over the middle finger metacarpal. The middle finger has been seen as the dividing factor of the palm. Here we see the thenar crease in its location on this bone and if you look at muscle sketches it is in between the thenar and hypothenar eminences

I've already pointed out that the branches that curve around the thumb appear influenced by the main line from the t triradius.

Sharp observation! Thumbs up!

CORRECTION:

I should have written:

"... a person who claims to have found..."

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:40 am

Patti wrote:
Patti wrote:I have long observed the parallel nature of creases and their association with each other. One of the medical descriptions of the creases included describing how creases line up in parallel sections illustrating a particular flexure movement or position of the hand. These relate to how the skin bunches up or flexes during this position.

If you study these green lines for a while, it appears they might be related to pinching items such as a pen or eating utencils. Regardless of what activity formed them, I think they relate to each other.
Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 8 Dirk1011


In the image below, starting from the thumb side, typically most hands have some sort of rising 'ambition' line that rises toward the inside of the index finger. I have colored this influence line or section, yellow.

The green inner line is a short start of a life line, an inner life line or a Mars line.

Further out a short green line appears from the head line down to the long longitudinal crease. Following the flow of the line colored in green in my earlier images - the section I colored yellow/green/orange is most likely formed as part of this group. The spacing is right for a crease in the bunching of skin during flexure. It does not rise high enough to transform the rest of the crease below into a fate line. The rest is colored green for life line.

This green outer line forms the boundary between the thenar and hypothenar eminences.

The orange creases are fate line related. These particular ones I marked are concerned with the middle finger the most.
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Bump

Since you had uploaded the hands I thought you would have recognized the palm.

Patti, I wonder how much fantasy is mixed in those colors... for example: in the lower picture I see that you have actually featured 3 colors in the small part of the fate line that manifests above the life line.

(Sorry, I pass to make any further comments)


PS. For me the example was meant serve to illustrate that the length of a line matters in the issue that we are discussing here. But in my perceptions your drawings & comments went far beyond that purpose.

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Post  Patti on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:33 am

Thanks! Fantastic illustration/resource supportive of my position.

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 8 Bones_10
Arrow *note the thenar crease as it crosses the middle finger metacarpal - there is a disturbance or break drawn into the crease*

Hand & Wrist - James Doyle

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 8 Thenar15

Arrow The illustration above shows an even longer version of a Line of Mars or inner life line not identified as a thenar crease.

Arrow Perhaps that is because it might be considered as part of the "relaxed skin tension lines" that run parallel to the thenar crease (see text below illustration).

Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 8 Crease11
"Surgical Anatomy of the Hand" Schmidt - Lanz (via Google Books)

Arrow The line of Mars or inner life line is not influenced by the thenar eminence but instead is influenced by the Mars mount or the 1st interdigital volar pad.

Arrow The directions of the branches at the wrist area of the thenar crease are not based on whether it's a fate line or a life line, they relate to nerves and the direction they go.

"They noted that a thenar branch of the median nerve with a transligamentous course correlates in a significantly high number of cases with ulnar terminal branches of the longitudinal thenar crease. In contrast, radial terminal extensions of the thenar crease suggest an extraligamentous course of the nerve."
"Surgical Anatomy of the Hand" Schmidt - Lanz

Arrow They are called the radial and ulnar terminal extensions of the thenar crease.

sunny

In palmistry that includes a basis in science, this short inner line should not really count as a short life line if there is another crease defining the boundary of the thenar pad.



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Post  chakraborty on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:12 am

Hello Martijn,

Let me make two things clear.

1) A cerebral stroke does not mean the person will die soon. I have seen people living 4-5 yrs after such strokes. I think many of you would know that too. Otherwise, people won't go to doctors in such cases
2) The palmist was not aware of the patient's age. Even when he had inquired, he got a wrong estimate. For the palmist, he was giving prediction at least 2.5 yrs ahead.
3) Hence, you are drawing a conclusion (The person was sick and likely to die soon. Hence, the prediction is more of a guess work - paraphrasing the intent your comments, as I have understood) is a wrong one.

The point is - I have seen such longevity predictions & I am ready to believe that such prediction is possible in short term. No amount of theories can substitute an observed event.

Yes, long term predictions are difficult. Because an observed defect may get modified / strengthened by a repair line etc in course of time. Or a perfect feature may get weakened in course of time.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:30 am

Patti wrote: Thanks! Fantastic illustration/resource supportive of my position.

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Arrow *note the thenar crease as it crosses the middle finger metacarpal - there is a disturbance or break drawn into the crease*


Patti, your talk about 'disturbance' or 'break' in the thenar crease in that picture shows how you process info by putting far too much value on arbitrary details; because the picture-zone that you mention does not show much more than a small irregularity in the drawing picture.

By fact, the book does not describe anything about the continuation of the thenar crease at all!

I think your claim regarding the picture can therefore be described as absurd; because if you had studied the full picture by detail... you could have noticed that for example in the same region the line which represents the boundaries of the 3rd metacarpal bone also are not drawn with a stable colored line at both sides of the thenar crease - see especially the 2nd picture below!

Patti, those pictures just a few drawings (probably made by an artist)... so you're putting far too much value to arbitrary visual details of which the value is for sure not confirmed by the descriptions in the book at all.

The book only mentions the word 'thenar crease' 4 times so it does not present a detailed treatise of the line; and the book only describes how the 'pronounced oblicity' of the line reflects the opposing movement of the thumb (see page 1).


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:40 am

Patti wrote:
Any Body Can Give Any Answer For This (length life line) - Page 8 Thenar15

Arrow The illustration above shows an even longer version of a Line of Mars or inner life line not identified as a thenar crease.

Arrow Perhaps that is because it might be considered as part of the "relaxed skin tension lines" that run parallel to the thenar crease (see text below illustration).
...

confused

The picture shows a perfectly normal 'attached' life- and head line. And the mars line clearly starts at the radial side in the center of the upper thenar zone and it's length is also only very typical for a mars line.

So I could describe it as delusional to suggest that this picture presents a clue about to understand the lines that we have discussed in this topic.


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:52 am

Patti wrote:
Arrow The directions of the branches at the wrist area of the thenar crease are not based on whether it's a fate line or a life line, they relate to nerves and the direction they go.

"They noted that a thenar branch of the median nerve with a transligamentous course correlates in a significantly high number of cases with ulnar terminal branches of the longitudinal thenar crease. In contrast, radial terminal extensions of the thenar crease suggest an extraligamentous course of the nerve."
"Surgical Anatomy of the Hand" Schmidt - Lanz

Arrow They are called the radial and ulnar terminal extensions of the thenar crease.

sunny

In palmistry that includes a basis in science, this short inner line should not really count as a short life line if there is another crease defining the boundary of the thenar pad.


Patti, the quote (from "Surgical Anatomy of the Hand" Schmidt - Lanz) only describes a relationship between the terminations of the thenar crease and the underlying nerve system.

The sagittal crease is not mentioned at all... so I don't understand how this info could help us for finding the nature of the line - as we can not study the nerves from a hand print!

It looks like another absurd attempt to suggest that this info puts any support to your individual approach (I have not seen other participants sharing likewise speculative ideas).

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:10 pm

chakraborty wrote:Hello Martijn,

Let me make two things clear.

1) A cerebral stroke does not mean the person will die soon. I have seen people living 4-5 yrs after such strokes. I think many of you would know that too. Otherwise, people won't go to doctors in such cases
2) The palmist was not aware of the patient's age. Even when he had inquired, he got a wrong estimate. For the palmist, he was giving prediction at least 2.5 yrs ahead.
3) Hence, you are drawing a conclusion (The person was sick and likely to die soon. Hence, the prediction is more of a guess work - paraphrasing the intent your comments, as I have understood) is a wrong one.

The point is - I have seen such longevity predictions & I am ready to believe that such prediction is possible in short term. No amount of theories can substitute an observed event.

Yes, long term predictions are difficult. Because an observed defect may get modified / strengthened by a repair line etc in course of time. Or a perfect feature may get weakened in course of time.

regards

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Dear Chakraborty,

I understand your arguments, but I think your initial description of the 'successful prediction' did not present much details regarding the circumstances involved.

Thank you for sharing a few more details, but I think the missing of 'age' could very well be essential here!

But I think there is something else missing in your report regarding the possibility to accept the report as 'proof'; because you have not presented any considerations regarding the possibility that the apparent successful outcome of the prediction might be the result of... luck/coincidence or other 'spurious' factors!

Without such an analysis any 'success' report kind of only represents evidence of anecdotal value only - of which it's 'proof' by principle is doubtful.

One could wonder why the world hardly ever hears reports about the many 'lifespan predictions' that in time have turned out to be incorrect!?

I hope these considerations from my side make sense for you?


PS. Thank you for confirming again that 'long term' predictions are by principle difficult (if not impossible) because of the dynamic nature of the hand lines. Thumbs up!

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Post  chakraborty on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:36 pm

Dear Martijn,

Let me make it very clear at the Outset..... I am not a researcher like you. And do not feel any need to establish facts with proofs / citation from 'Authorities' or books. As I told earlier, I am more comfortable with an observation then a lot of theories.

Your posts gives me a feeling that you have not read my first narrative (written to Lynn) properly. Regarding use of spurious factors - I can not comment. Yes, in any sort of divination (as palmistry is considered in India), you need some sort of luck. And I have mentioned in my posts that some Intuition may have been there too.

Here I am not concerned much that whether Researchers do accept my post as anecdotal claim or anything else of lower values. That is okay with me.

Regarding long term prediction part - forget about Life span part. How many times you have come across any long term prediction about any specific event - let it be in finance / fame /awards /disease or any similar things - that palmists have given some 25 yrs back and found to be correct most of the time ?

So, whatever we say - palmistry has a limitation about very long term accurate predictions. Life expectancy , the most difficult topic probably, also lies within this.

That does not mean that the indicators of these areas - finance / fame /awards /disease or any similar things - are useless and do not carry any importance. If it is so, then there will be no palmistry

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:18 pm

chakraborty wrote:...

So, whatever we say - palmistry has a limitation about very long term accurate predictions. Life expectancy , the most difficult topic probably, also lies within this.

That does not mean that the indicators of these areas - finance / fame /awards /disease or any similar things - are useless and do not carry any importance. If it is so, then there will be no palmistry

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Thank you Chakraborty,

I think your last words kind of reflect how many people tend to think about palmistry - they associate it with the 'predictive' branch of palmistry (because they think that palmistry has only the purpose of 'divination', e.g. predicting the future).

However, I think this only represents the 'traditional' view on palmistry.

The truth is that around the world palmistry today has many branches where 'divination' plays no role at all - see the most popular approaches mentioned in the sub-title of this forum... listing: Life Purpose Hand Analysis, Elemental- & PsychoDiagnostic Chirology, Vedic Palmistry & Spiritual Palm Reading.

Most of those modern approaches do not focus on 'divination' at all.


Sorry, I can not confirm your idea that palmistry is all about 'prediction'; because I perceive personal growth / personal awareness via self-knowledge & diagnostic applications as the highest purpose of hand reading.

And in the perspective of this discussion I could add that a 'short life line' could have it's value combined with other hand features in terms of issues that relate to inner motivation.

(Additionally, I believe that the 'predictive' branch of palmistry should be perceived as a folklore-based believe-system which basically only fulfills culture-based needs)

So, in my perception 'modern hand reading' is not focused on predicting the future... however at this forum we do discuss those issues as well & everybody is welcome to add & share their experiences regarding that aspect of palmistry as well!

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PS. Regarding your narrative to Lynn, I have the impression that Lynn took your info regarding the age of people involved likewise as I did. By the way, you have not specified why exactly you think that I have not read your words properly... so it's hard for me to comment on that perception. But I highly appreciate your efforts to discuss things properly! Thumbs up!

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Post  chakraborty on Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:09 am

Dear Martijn,

Our approaches are different & so will be our observations & views

I think your last words kind of reflect how many people tend to think about palmistry - they associate it with the 'predictive' branch of palmistry (because they think that palmistry has only the purpose of 'divination', e.g. predicting the future).
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I am aware that Palmistry has been associated with many things and people use it for different purposes. You have listed these. But to me, it appears that you might have missed a crucial part of divination part. The divination part is also used for improvement. It is not fatalistic as many people claim. Because after Divination comes counselling and remedies. These two things make it clear that the future can be changed / improved based on understanding gained from reading of the hand.

Obviously, I do not and need not agree to your observations on predictive palmistry as folklore based believe system.

Why I find predictive palmistry important is ----

In other uses of palmistry (Life Purpose Hand Analysis, Elemental- & PsychoDiagnostic Chirology), the narrative we get is mainly in abstract terms. Someone with beautiful command on language (s) and some command on basic psychology can provide a descriptions...even without much expertise in Palmistry. But how one cross-check these descriptions ? Someone on Life purpose analysis says something to me - then how do I know what the person is saying is correct - how do I cross-check ? Our brain has many layers of memories in them. If someone is kept harping that in my childhood negative emotions were a-plenty - then there is strong possibility that I will remember those happenings only, forgetting the pleasant ones.

When it comes to checking accuracy of any method - it should have two things. It should describe a happening (let it be anything - an event / a medical problem / a mental state like depression) with a definitive time frame. Otherwise same can not be cross-checked. If I say that someone has less brilliance of mind - he/she will never agree. If I say that someone is brilliant - he/she will always agree (Everybody thinks he/she is above average). I know I am describing it in very simplistic way - just to get my point across.

Regarding your comment -
[/quote] By the way, you have not specified why exactly you think that I have not read your words properly.[quote]

I had written that the prediction appeared to be partly based on intuition. But in your comment you had attributed possibility of "luck/co-incidence / spurious factors". That gave me that impression that you might had missed that word "intuition".

I understand that you and me may not agree to many a things. But I enjoyed the discussion.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:35 am


Thank you Chakraborty,

Very nice to hear that you enjoyed the discussion.

Feel free to start a new topic in order to discuss some specific aspects of 'predictive' palmistry a little bit further.

(If you're interested in doing that maybe the Vedic Palmstry forum could be most suitable - because I think the Vedic Palmistry system is sort of the 'modern' variant of classic 'predicitive' palmistry: https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/f5-iiif-vedic-palmistry)

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PS. I hope we can leave this topic open for further discussion about the life line.


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Post  pravin kumar on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:45 am

Martijn,

Why I focussed on Predictive Palmistry is because the person first wants to know his high and low periods in life careerwise, personal life wise, healthwise too so that he may take precautions and be ready. No doubt modern palmistry is different but still predictive palmistry still people want to know when. So if you want to keep a separate section for that it is O.K.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:12 pm


Hi Pravin Kumar,

I think your suggestion is excellent: I really like your idea to create a forum section where people can ask and answer questions regarding 'future predicitions'. Because then we can show at this forum more clearly that 'predictive palmistry' is just one of the branches in the fields of palmistry!

I will discuss you idea with with the other members of the moderator-team, and then I will inform you about the outcome. Okay?

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Post  tajender on Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:15 pm

Hi Chakraborty
Western palmists do not understand the meaning of divinity. These people can not go beyond material and as you said they use their sophisticated language which they name as modern palm reading.
If prediction is removed from palmistry then this will be the fatal for this subject. Good that you replied robustly.

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Post  chakraborty on Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:04 am

Dear Martijn,

Thanks & Welcome.

I am bit of a wanderer.....not a serious palmist per se. But I am open to all ideas...I cannot discard any theory before I have studied it. So, I am not exclusively in predictive palmistry only.

Yes, Let us keep the scope for further discussion open. Let knowledge come from all direction & all corners to us .

regards

Chakraborty.

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Dear Tejender,

I feel that you, I and others (Martijn, Patti, Lynn, Pravin Kumar-ji etc) all represent different ideas / different interpretations of same ideas / different view-point. Sometimes, these ideas/interpretations/view-points co-align...sometimes they differ. The discussion is about understanding everyone's view point so that we can enrich ourselves.

None of us are absolutely correct or absolutely wrong. Although sometimes, we do mistakes while expressing it - may be due to inadequacy of language/words.

Palmistry as an art has survived many attacks in past & it will continue even if a branch (predictive palmistry) is ignored by some of the practitioners.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:04 am


Hi Pravin Kumar,

In the moderator team we have considered the option to create a new forum section. And though some of use found the idea appealing, and the end we agreed/concluded that 'predictive palmistry' should better not be associated with modern hand reading.

However, we also arrived at an idea to present some kind of 'guideline' which describes a code of ethics - just like the Brahmans did (few people are aware that in the view of the Brahmans ancient palmistry is only meant to be used for divine purposes in the life of an ascetic/monk, and not to take anything in return... such as making money or making claims about one's knowledge).

So, sooner or later we will probably present a new version of the 5th 'forum rule' (with a reference regarding to 'predictive palmistry' and 'psychic palmistry') which has recently been introduced, see:
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t94-forum-rules-guidelines-the-modern-hand-reading-dos-don-ts

(We are still thinking about how to present a new guidelines that will help all hand readers to 'standardize' their readings at this forum a little bit more than we have seen so far)


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Post  Lynn on Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:03 am

chakraborty wrote:Dear Martijn,

Thanks & Welcome.

I am bit of a wanderer.....not a serious palmist per se. But I am open to all ideas...I cannot discard any theory before I have studied it. So, I am not exclusively in predictive palmistry only.

Yes, Let us keep the scope for further discussion open. Let knowledge come from all direction & all corners to us .

regards

Chakraborty.

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Dear Tejender,

I feel that you, I and others (Martijn, Patti, Lynn, Pravin Kumar-ji etc) all represent different ideas / different interpretations of same ideas / different view-point. Sometimes, these ideas/interpretations/view-points co-align...sometimes they differ. The discussion is about understanding everyone's view point so that we can enrich ourselves.

None of us are absolutely correct or absolutely wrong. Although sometimes, we do mistakes while expressing it - may be due to inadequacy of language/words.

Palmistry as an art has survived many attacks in past & it will continue even if a branch (predictive palmistry) is ignored by some of the practitioners.

regards

Chakraborty

well said Chakraborty Thumbs up!

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Post  kiwihands on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:09 pm

chakraborty wrote:
Dear Tejender,

I feel that you, I and others (Martijn, Patti, Lynn, Pravin Kumar-ji etc) all represent different ideas / different interpretations of same ideas / different view-point. Sometimes, these ideas/interpretations/view-points co-align...sometimes they differ. The discussion is about understanding everyone's view point so that we can enrich ourselves.

None of us are absolutely correct or absolutely wrong. Although sometimes, we do mistakes while expressing it - may be due to inadequacy of language/words.

Palmistry as an art has survived many attacks in past & it will continue even if a branch (predictive palmistry) is ignored by some of the practitioners.

regards

Chakraborty

I agree, Chakraborty. Well put. Thumbs up!

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