homosexuality in the hands - test :)

Hi Kiwihands,

Possible hormonal differences can affect homosexual orientation. How we can know the hormones position? The question of genetic influences on sexual orientation could be definitively answered by using DNA. To find a "gay gene" have never identified. We cannot take a doctor’s role.

However, studies in Palmistry have shown that ratios of digit length of fingers are predictors of several hormones. But, some other hand features also show about this mentality and experiences.

Early childhood abuse has also been associated with homosexuality. This is a fact that sexual orientation is not constant for many individuals, but can change over time. Comparison of both hands would reveal this. Environment is greater than man. Studies have found that the more older brothers a boy has, the more likely he is to develop a homosexual orientation.
Your question was misleading or wrong in first place. Had you asked whether all are gay, the answer would have been different of course. All are gay for different reasons. In women, the index finger (2D, second digit) is almost the same length as the fourth digit (4D). However, in men, the index finger is usually shorter than the fourth. So, longer index finger indicates possible presence of "gay gene" in a man.

So, all my colleagues here were right. One picture shows abnormal index finger, one has faulty direction transverse but all have GOV.

No sign of palm of the hand is absolute in itself. Hand must be analyzed in totality. However, thank you for asking that.

Sethi

Parender wrote:Studies have found that the more older brothers a boy has, the more likely he is to develop a homosexual orientation.
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In women, the index finger (2D, second digit) is almost the same length as the fourth digit (4D). However, in men, the index finger is usually shorter than the fourth. So, longer index finger indicates possible presence of "gay gene" in a man.

hi Sethi, I remember reading that study about 'the more older brothers...'. But didn't that study find that the gay men had a very masculine digit ratio, ie ring finger much longer than index. (?)

Sorry to be a spoilsport but I'm not even going to attempt this 'test' :-) I'm not aware of anything that really shows sexual orientation in the hands.
I don't agree with some of the comments here e.g. associating 'eccentric' or 'unnatural vices' with being gay.

does number 2 have some health problem? The hand looks as if there is toxicity in his system eg medication, smoking/alcohol, etc etc, also that hollow in the centre of the palm. Or is it just the scan that makes it appear so red & mottled.

Hello all

Chances of # 1 is equally likely as 3. One thingh where iam confused is that 3 is more of an fire hand and 1 is more of an sensitive hand and iam not sure how that would play a role. This is where expereince would matter to make an choice..

Possibility of 3 is there but possibility of humor loop (since #1 has morehumor loop) can make a difference, If subconciuos zone areas have switch loop.

What confuses me for # 3 is that is right hand shows loops (raja, serious), by naure he has charm. but left hand does not, which can show there is one nature more domnant than the other so probably he tends to being more manly and also his fire hand nature adds to that. I dont know where i read but a difference in dermatoglyphics between both hands can add towars tendency of homosexuality. iam not sure where.

This is where iam confused whether # 3 could be.



It is a tough one i would say 50% 3, 50% 1

I read in richard unger website http://www.handanalysis.net/, about it.


Thanks
Anand

I've read newer research that discredited the multiple boy theory last year.

I don't really think there are markings in the palm that identify a person's sexual preferences. I've read many married people that I could have sworn were same sex oriented by their body language.

What I looked for was how they interact in the world around them knowing that their lifestyle choice (or not a choice) is not socially acceptable in many societies.

Hello Patti

This is that link

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-26/news/mn-13129_1_sexual-orientation

Is homosexuality genetic or not genetic ( what i meant is there a trait component)

I agree with your approach based on the concept of acceptability.

Anand

anand_palm wrote:Hello Patti

This is that link

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-26/news/mn-13129_1_sexual-orientation

Is homosexuality genetic or not genetic ( what i meant is there a trait component)

I agree with your approach based on the concept of acceptability.

Anand

Yes, I'm aware of the studies. There are also newer studies that found less of an influence in that regards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

I've been in the academia. One should take most studies with a big grain of salt. Sometimes the Results section is informative, but then the interpretations go wild in search of grant money. See here for example: https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=53345

zaobhand wrote:I've been in the academia. One should take most studies with a big grain of salt. Sometimes the Results section is informative, but then the interpretations go wild in search of grant money. See here for example: https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=53345

So true! I think now the studies have to disclose who funded them and what is their agenda, don't they?

Definitely! So much corruption going on.. I've been studying pharma, tobacco, fluoride in water, gmo, radiation, root canals, and many other topics. There are power mongers who would do anything to maintain their hegemony irrespective of the harm they inflict. Sad.

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:This is a tough one!

The #1 guy has feminine traits

What are feminine trait indicators in this hand Patti?

If you were to line up hands in a wide spectrum from very masculine to very feminine there would be a middle group that would be more difficult to discern if they are male/female from a general perspective. (not studying/comparing individual features) #1 would be in the middle group leaning on the male side.

Hello patti

I looked at the website, probably birth order makes an impact. it looks like environment does not play a role, but birth order has an effect, but then if external factors or surrounding does not play a role, then what factors in hand should play a role.

So according to the study younger brother has a chance

iam just wondering whether Y chromosome plays a role when repeated again to reproduce, because in sister, sister it does not seem. Or probably a certain combination of Y with others. whether the reptition of Y can be captured in hands

Confuses me

Boaz

i will read ur artcile, lot of artciles are published because of push and for publicationand money sake. rather more commerliazed.
Anand

Hello everyone,

First up, congratulations to Patti and Zaobhand, who picked the correct pair of hands.

But big kudos as well to everyone else who participated! Thank you all for taking part in this. It takes a lot of courage to stick one's neck out like that, when there is a 3 in 1 chance to "be wrong" in public. I was fascinated by the responses and realize now that they show much more than simply the expertise of the reader. It's made me aware of how strongly our own experience (and perhaps culture) colors our perception as readers: out of the two readers who got it right, one said she personally knows a few people who are gay, the other made a comment that makes me think the same is the case.

I chose the other two pairs of hands because I thought they represented some more stereotypical features of homosexuality - please accept my apologies if anyone feels I have mislead them on purpose with this. I'll respond with some feedback individually in a little while, just a bit more work to do first ...

Thank you Kiwi this definitely brought us some insights into different perspectives! I'm looking forward to reading your responses and the descriptions of these three men!!

Same here Kiwi, creative and thought provoking. Patti's reply showed deep understanding. I followed her cue and my own intuition of a certain indulging elegance about the hands.

In a strange sort of way of calculating this - together we got the right answer? Wasn't that a topic here a while back.

Look at it from the angle of the ones we all said "no" to.

1) 4 no
2) 4 no
3) 3 no (the least no's)

Patti wrote:In a strange sort of way of calculating this - together we got the right answer? Wasn't that a topic here a while back.

Look at it from the angle of the ones we all said "no" to.

1) 4 no
2) 4 no
3) 3 no (the least no's)

Hehee, yes Patti, so true!

Ramann wrote:No 2....

Hi Ramann, sorry I completely overlooked your reply the first time! Please see my response to Parender for some feedback on your guess.

Hi Kiran,

thanks for having a go at this! I have inserted some feedback below:

Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi Kiwi,
I go with 1.
IN THE LEFT HAND:

A line called as cramp line, which is a floating line below headline at the end of it. This indicates not so good relationship with mother, which gets reflected in relationship with women, in general.

Look at the line of fate coming from upper 3rd mount of moon and replacing the exisitng line of fate. This is also coming in from a cross. This indicates quite an eccentric and independent way of life.

The line of head and life are not joined.

As far as I know his relationship with his mum is pretty normal, apart from the fact that she pushed him pretty hard to succeed in school and make proper use of his intellect. He does have an "eccentric and independent way of life", as you say, with unusual choices regarding his work. Goes his own way in everything and doesn't really care what people will think of him.

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

RIGHT HAND:

The line of fate(main) is coming with a loop in it. Confusion, indecisions over the course of direction in life.
The Mercury finger standing out. Quite independent thinking style.
The line of fate coming from upper 3rd mount of moon and it is very strong and is replacing the existing line of fate.This indicates quite an eccentric and independent way of life.

He is quite young (early twenties) and indeed hasn't found a focused direction for his life yet. His way of thinking is unique and certainly independent. Although you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him, appears like a regular guy with nothing eccentric about him.

Thanks Patti for sharing your thoughts not only on your prime candidate but the others as well! Feedback below:

Patti wrote:This is a tough one!

The #1 guy has feminine traits and expresses himself intellectually. But, I don't think he is gay.

Yes, along with the eccentric fate line pointed out by Kiran, the femininity and intellectual touch were the reasons I chose these hands. He is not effeminate as such, but very gentle, softly spoken, a cruisy, go-with-the-flow kind of guy. Lovely to be around. It's a shame skin texture can't be captured in photos: he has the softest, silkiest hands I have ever touched. Unusual in a guy. Highly intelligent and seems to know how everything works. Even if he doesn't know, he can tell you such a convincing story that you think he's an expert. (Not in a deceitful way - I just asked him for fun, a few times, what he thought about this or that, and he came up with solutions ad hoc to questions I had pondered for ages!)

Patti wrote:
Number 2 is animated and seems to be 'flitty' or restless in his personality. His straightish lifeline is one of the few disciplinary or grounding factors. I wondered why you added this poor quality image. It throws the test a little. If he's the one then it's because it was the best photo you had of the only sample. hehe or did you do it just to confuse us! He has a dark colored spot on his life line in his youth about 15 or 16 in the left hand under index finger. Adolescence is the time a person may realize their choice of sexuality isn't acceptable. Hmmm. Last night I was all for this one being the one. But, honestly, I'm not sure about his choice.

Yes, he's restless, with an amazing amount of energy. Had a difficult childhood and youth, which is where that spot may come from.

Patti wrote:
And 3. Very male. Most likely very attractive. He has strong inner and outer walls on his life line in his left hand during his teenage years while the life line itself fades away. Deliberate facades. Hiding real self. His right hand's life line is amazingly smooth. Shouldn't represent gay, but does represent an outer appearance of an easy life (if he's right handed) It's odd for the outer life line to be so smooth and the inner to literally be missing in the same age period.

I pick # 3.

Very impressive! Your pointing out of the visible "facades" and hiding the real self as the strongest indicator is very insightful. Although he is not "very male", he is quite attractive indeed, big eyes, elegant, always well-groomed. Interesting what you say about "an outer appearance of an easy life", this is the case. He is not in my closer circle of friends, so I can't comment on how hard his life really is, but he certainly makes is look quite effortless.

Thanks for your contribution Sethi!

Parender wrote:Hand is broad, red and rough enough denote sensuality sex-mindedness and the person will be interested and will practice in unnatural vices to satisfy his unsatisfied sexual appetite. His boundless energy wants outlet. He is less sensitive about others as a line reducing the space between the two major lines. Red spots on the palm show irregular behavior. GOV increases the sensitiveness in a person who has a psychic and conic hand. \
Sethi

You correctly picked up on number 2's "sex-mindedness" and sensuality. These features were the main reason why I included him, as this is commonly seen as a trait of gay people. I was a bit cheeky of me to lead everyone astray with this! You are also right about his boundless energy. However, he practices no "unnatural vices" and is entirely monogamous. Can't confirm any "irregular behavior" either - on the contrary, he is very successful and well-regarded in a job where he has a lot of responsibility, leads people and interacts with powerful officials.

Lynn wrote:Sorry to be a spoilsport but I'm not even going to attempt this 'test' :-) I'm not aware of anything that really shows sexual orientation in the hands.
I don't agree with some of the comments here e.g. associating 'eccentric' or 'unnatural vices' with being gay.

does number 2 have some health problem? The hand looks as if there is toxicity in his system eg medication, smoking/alcohol, etc etc, also that hollow in the centre of the palm. Or is it just the scan that makes it appear so red & mottled.

Hi Lynn, thanks for chipping in! I'm not aware of any health problem in number 2, but he is under a lot of pressure in his job. Carries a huge amount of responsibility. You may be right about the toxicity though - he is just trying give up smoking, used to be a heavy smoker.

Anand, thank you for offering your opinion! You were on the right track with your guess of 50% number 3.

anand_palm wrote:What confuses me for # 3 is that is right hand shows loops (raja, serious), by naure he has charm. but left hand does not, which can show there is one nature more domnant than the other so probably he tends to being more manly and also his fire hand nature adds to that. I dont know where i read but a difference in dermatoglyphics between both hands can add towars tendency of homosexuality. iam not sure where.

Thanks
Anand

He does have a lot of charm by nature! He deals with lots of people through his job, and apparently has all the ladies wrapped around his little finger. They all adore him.

Thank you Kiwi. This is a wonder discussion here!

Hi Kiwi,

kiwihands wrote:It's a shame skin texture can't be captured in photos

I get to hear this comment often.
Even if you have 5MP camera you can capture skin texture. Just put it in the close-up or portrait mode.

Patti wrote:

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:This is a tough one!

The #1 guy has feminine traits

What are feminine trait indicators in this hand Patti?

If you were to line up hands in a wide spectrum from very masculine to very feminine there would be a middle group that would be more difficult to discern if they are male/female from a general perspective. (not studying/comparing individual features) #1 would be in the middle group leaning on the male side.

You mean - just by look & feel of the hand you felt so. Is it?