III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

“The associations with IQ appear to be rhetorics only. And the model of the fingerprints & the brain lobes connection appears to be a speculative theoretic construction - because I have never ever seen any scientifically confirmed link between any single finger (print) and any well-defined specific 'talent',”

Parender wrote:Dear Martijin,

...
I mistook your following saying -

“The associations with IQ appear to be rhetorics only. And the model of the fingerprints & the brain lobes connection appears to be a speculative theoretic construction - because I have never ever seen any scientifically confirmed link between any single finger (print) and any well-defined specific 'talent',”

–for “fingerprints do not show any well defined specific substances that the person has”.

You did not mean that. You were talking about “specific talent”.

My belief was and is that the Fingerprints make us able to extract information about the ‘substances’ that the person has; but not “well defined specific talent.” I think you would have followed my idea. Now, I have no hesitation to agree with you.

Parender Sethi
http://www.palmistryforyou.in/

Hello Parender Sethi,

Thanks for confirming that you sort of misread my quote .

Yes, before your feedback I had been talking about the DMIT method only - one should not read my comments out of context: I was not referring to fingerprints in general!


So, great to know that you can actually support my comment & analysis (yes I made my comments more specified - to the DMIT product - than you initially assumed).

And again... my fundamental problem with the DMIT product is that it claims to be constructed with scientific findings, but there are no scientific findings available which confirm that a single finger (print) provides info 'talent' (nor brain lobes, IQ, EQ, etc.) - but DMIT does make those claims.

Richard doesn't make those claims: he doesn't claim that his method is scientifically validated, and his method uses a completely different approach because it works with the profile of all 10 fingers (prints) together.

Lynn wrote:... At some stage I discovered that apparently my IQ was high enough to get into MENSA. I think I scored 136 in IQ test. (is that high? maybe I remembered it wrong, and maybe my brain isn't as good as it used to be! but am happy to re-take it if anyone has a link to a free IQ test).

Since age 11 I have always argued that I just happen to be good at IQ tests (which seem to be based basically on maths, some language ability, & recognising patterns), but it does not make me more intelligent than the next person.
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Hi Lynn,

Yes, to join Mensa... "you need an IQ of at least 130".

Only about 2% of people is able to score above 130 on any calibrated IQ test.



So, if your memory is correct about the 136 score (in the past), I think you are overestimating the capacities of many others at least a little bit... because far most people will never manage to score above 130 on any IQ test.

IQ is a actually dynamic measure, which varies e.g. with: age, culture, education - which explains why the most advanced IQ tests always include a measure of various skills: linguistic abilities, spatial abilities, mathmatics, memory, etc.

By the way, many people over-estimate the capacities of others, especially regarding those people who show 'stronger verbal skills'... but often these skills were developed to compensate weaker skills, etc.


Maybe you will enjoy to read this article: http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/iq/

Martijn (admin) wrote:
....if your memory is correct about the 136 score (in the past), I think you are overestimating the capacities of many others at least a little bit... because far most people will never manage to score above 130 on any IQ test.

Lynn wrote:
... I need to re-take that test!
Hasta la vista baby.

Lynn wrote:
Why are your studies going by highest education level?

Lynn, my answer to your question is quite simple: because I have data about education levels available (and hardly any data about IQ-test results).

But don't worry, I know what I am doing, and of course... I will describe my populations with details.

Afterall, experts describe intelligence as the 'ability to learn': to ability to acquire, understand & apply knowledge + info. So despite the fact that the validity of IQ tests is debated (even among IQ experts), education levels generally do reflect intelligence.

I hope this now makes sense.



PS. This discussion is about the DMIT test, which 'claims' that it measures IQ (and other related aspects).

It started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.

Lynn wrote:Regarding this statement from http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.html

It started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.

I'm not aware that scientists even today have "discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence" ??

I still haven't read all these links, but in some of the other DMIT links Martijn posted, I see the reference to dermatoglyphics, but so far didn't see how they actually apply dermatoglyphics in assessing 'multiple intelligence' & putting their work into practise.

Lynn wrote:Thanks Martijn, I can't read the info about fingerprints in that pdf link, the quality is blurred.

... I am sorry to hear that Lynn, but the quality of the document is really excellent: I can easily read every single letter in that document - except on page 5 (but I think that concern general info about fingerprint interpretation theories which is probably described on other websites as well).

Did you try to look at the 100% resolution-version?


EDIT: PS. From my point of view is page 1 the most interesting page of this document.

Lynn wrote:Thanks Martijn. I already read this info, but am still trying to understand how they apply it in practice & how they tie it in with IQ.

Lynn, page 1 of the PDF-file indicates that regarding the multiple intelligences, they e.g. assess 'fingerprint ridge count' on each finger (e.g. total finger ridge count is mentioned as 'TFRC'), and afterwards they appear to translate the results into relative weights for each of the 10 fingers.

These appear to be used to identify the 'talents' (= what they call the 'innate characteristics', which they see in the perspective of 'strength of brain cells'... - whatever that may be...?).


Additionally (not seen in page 1), they also appear to use the AtD-angle to assess 'learning style' and 'ability', but that aspect is not mentioned on page 1.

But I think will will never know exactly the details because their 'concept' is probably kept as a business-secret of their francise product (though most of the investment probably relates directly to the hardware involved - including a computer + fingerprintscnanner).

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Lynn, did my answer make sense for you?