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CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
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CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
The hand of Ludwig von Beethoven (1770 - 1827):


The hand of Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849):



The hand of Frans Listz (1811 – 1886):



The hand of Ignacy Jan Paderewski (1860–1941):


The hand of Anton Grigorevich Rubinstein (1829-1894):


The hand of George Sand - born as: Amantine Aurore Lucile Dupin (1804-1876):


Photo: George Sand's arm + Frédéric Chopin's hand.
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!


NOTICE - Ravel's most famous music piece is his 'Boléro'; the Youtube video below presents a short version performed by the Dutch musician André Rieu:
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Hi Martijin,
Thanks for showing us these famous hands.It's a great idea. I did not know who wrote the Bolero and that is some hand Ravel had. I saw a hand like that in one of Johnny Fincham's book when he was showing the effect of shock treatment. I enjoyed the video, as I like Andre Rieu. He gets accused of taking down the tone of classical music, but I think he is great and I also get the impression he is quite a character. Maybe we could see his hands. Thanks.
Jeanette.
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Location : scotland
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):
very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Hello Jeanette,jeanette wrote:
Hi Martijin,
Thanks for showing us these famous hands.It's a great idea. I did not know who wrote the Bolero and that is some hand Ravel had. I saw a hand like that in one of Johnny Fincham's book when he was showing the effect of shock treatment. I enjoyed the video, as I like Andre Rieu. He gets accused of taking down the tone of classical music, but I think he is great and I also get the impression he is quite a character. Maybe we could see his hands. Thanks.
Jeanette.
Nice to hear that you like this project.
Yes, I agree about Rieu: his interpretation of classical music does bring the old master pieces to a very wide public. And obviously, Ravel's 'Boléro' is a true masterpiece!

Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
anu_d wrote:Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):
very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.
We used to call those rounded bulging fingertips "lollipop fingers"

anu, in 5 element chirology, Ravel's isn't a water hand - palm is too wide and fingers too short. It's basically a fire shape hand.
Martijn- which book is Ravel's print from? Does it say how old he was when the print was taken? (looks like an 'old' hand).
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Hi Lynn,Lynn wrote:...
Martijn- which book is Ravel's print from? Does it say how old he was when the print was taken? (looks like an 'old' hand).
I found Ravel's handprint in Charlotte Wolff's book 'Studies in Hand Reading', see:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00087K8YI/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_2?ie=UTF8&index=2
PS. Regarding what you wrote about the water hand, I think we can add that usually the numerous lines in a typical water hand have a 'fine, delicate structure'. So, I think the structure of Ravel's many lines... has an element of fire as well. But I guess one could argue that the many lines relate to the element water - so that might explain Anu_d's assocation.
Ravel
Sorry I made an assumption that anu was talking about hand shape, as that's how you'd normally refer to "a water / air / fire / earth hand". The quality of Ravel's lines appear to be mainly air width & fire form. Lots of lines can be water or air, in Ravel's case I'd say more of an overall air type energy in his lines.
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Lynn wrote:anu_d wrote:Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):
very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.
We used to call those rounded bulging fingertips "lollipop fingers"They spend a lot of time in their heads, in the 'mental realm'.
anu, in 5 element chirology, Ravel's isn't a water hand - palm is too wide and fingers too short. It's basically a fire shape hand.
Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.
if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
Regards---a_D
Ravel
anu_d wrote: Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.
if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
Regards---a_D
hi anu,
Ok I understand, but I guess maybe that was written by someone who didn't study 5 element chirology - do you remember where you read it? when we talk about "water hand" we usually mean handshape (hence sorry I misunderstood you). But everything on the hand can be 'ruled by' an element. Mesh of very fine lines is often found on water shape hands, but excessive mesh of lines can be found on other handshapes too (as Ravel). and then we have to look at quality of the lines by width, shape, markings, then there's the fingerprints etc etc, all aspects adding another piece of the element jigsaw! It would be very unusual to find an earth shape hand with a water mesh of lines. A "perfect water hand" would be one where water features predominate eg water shape with loop fingerprints, fine wavy lines, lots of markings, headline to luna, silk skin, long narrow fingernails, curved heartline, maybe extended relationship line, double heartline or GOV, large water quadrant (luna area) etc etc.
With Ravel, altho fire handshape I think his lines are more air type mesh of lines - they are not watery width or form, so I think he was more intellectual than emotional. plus his 'lollipop fingers = air, + air dominant simian variant as you pointed out. All hands are a mix of all the elements, but usually two elements predominate as stronger in our personalities.
As we (I) are digressing from Ravel's hand, maybe we should take this discussion over to 5-element subforum? Just PM me if you'd like to discuss more about elements & hands & I will copy this over. feel free to ask & discuss more about elements over there.
by the way, whatever the element possibilities in Ravel's hand, I agree with your comment about him having "a complex creative personality".

Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
For me and many British people, Ravel's Bolero will be forever linked with memories of Jane Torville & Christopher Dean's amazing ice dance performance at 1984 Olympics. As a nation, we were so proud and so happy!

Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Thanks for sending the vudeo of Torville and Dean, brought back memories. I have a few videos of Andre Rieu and my favourite is a Christmas one, but I don't know how to send them, I think I have managed to send it to Martijin and have asked him if he can get it on here. The Bolero is truly, as already said, a masterpiece. It was in Australia I heard about Andre Rieu. The tune of the Bolero stays the same but slowly gets louder and louder and reaches the ultimate. When you look at Ravel's hand the lines are going like the Bolero.
Jeanette.
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Location : scotland
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Hi Jeanette,jeanette wrote:... I have a few videos of Andre Rieu and my favourite is a Christmas one, but I don't know how to send them, I think I have managed to send it to Martijin and have asked him if he can get it on here. ...
Sorry, I didn't receive your request (EDIT: I have found your email, I have included the video in the new André Rieu hand-portrait: https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/famous-hands-section-musicians-f27/andre-rieu-dutch-violinist-composer-t192.htm#1171).
By the way, Jeanette it is very easy to upload Youtube/Google videos: you only have to use the

But I think we are going...

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Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
Lynn wrote:anu_d wrote: Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.
if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
Regards---a_D
hi anu,
Ok I understand, but I guess maybe that was written by someone who didn't study 5 element chirology - do you remember where you read it? when we talk about "water hand" we usually mean handshape (hence sorry I misunderstood you). But everything on the hand can be 'ruled by' an element. Mesh of very fine lines is often found on water shape hands, but excessive mesh of lines can be found on other handshapes too (as Ravel). and then we have to look at quality of the lines by width, shape, markings, then there's the fingerprints etc etc, all aspects adding another piece of the element jigsaw! It would be very unusual to find an earth shape hand with a water mesh of lines. A "perfect water hand" would be one where water features predominate eg water shape with loop fingerprints, fine wavy lines, lots of markings, headline to luna, silk skin, long narrow fingernails, curved heartline, maybe extended relationship line, double heartline or GOV, large water quadrant (luna area) etc etc.
With Ravel, altho fire handshape I think his lines are more air type mesh of lines - they are not watery width or form, so I think he was more intellectual than emotional. plus his 'lollipop fingers = air, + air dominant simian variant as you pointed out. All hands are a mix of all the elements, but usually two elements predominate as stronger in our personalities.
As we (I) are digressing from Ravel's hand, maybe we should take this discussion over to 5-element subforum? Just PM me if you'd like to discuss more about elements & hands & I will copy this over. feel free to ask & discuss more about elements over there.
by the way, whatever the element possibilities in Ravel's hand, I agree with your comment about him having "a complex creative personality".![]()
==>Lynn...thanks....I will try to locate the source and take this discussion forward.
it would be a good idea to post this discussion in the relevant section.
regards
Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/elemental-chirology-f3/discussion-on-hand-types-via-the-elements-t204.htm#1221
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Handprint of German composer Richard Strauss
(His hand prints are part of the 1000 famous hand prints collection created by German palmist Marianne Raschig, which will be sold by Sotheby's in London at may 5 + 6, 2013; see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329653/Hands-knows-belongs-Fascinating-palm-prints-famous-names-1920s-including-Albert-Einstein-sale.html)


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