Where is the 'mouse' of the hand hiding...???

Patti wrote:Hi Martijn,
Your translation would be limited to those of you in the Netherlands.

I don't think looking for the use of the term 'mouse' in medical books for hand features will work any better than looking for the Mount of Venus in medical books. I believe it's a term used only in palmistry for this hand feature. Did you see it's also mentioned in Ed Campbell's book?

There's another image in a different book - I'll look for it.

Martijn (admin) wrote:... Google translates the Dutch words 'duimmuis & pinkmouse' into the English words as: 'thenar and finger mouse':
http://translate.google.com/#nl|en|duimmuis%20%26%20pinkmouse

But Google also translates the same words in reversed order ('pinkmuis & duimmuis) as: 'pinky and thumb ball mouse':
http://translate.google.com/#nl|en|pinkmouse%20%26%20duimmuis


This makes me wonder, what is the most commonly used word used in English language for the the word 'hypothenar'? Or is there no better alternative available in daily language?

(Then... why not? Because the word 'thumb ball' appears to be an alternative used in daily language for the word 'thenar'...!)


PS. Manfred & Kiwihands, have you ever seen the word 'mouse' used to make a reference to the back of the hand beyond the perspective of hand reading?

(I am still searching for a specified reason why hand reading authors have started using the word 'mouse' to refer to the back of the hand, while this word appears to have been used never in daily language for that region of the hand)

Patti wrote:
In daily language we speak of the 'heel of the hand' in reference to the bottom of the palm. The outer side of the hand is typically called the percussion or just 'outer side of hand'.

I've heard the word 'ball' used more for the foot than the hand.

Okay Patti, thanks again for sharing your observations regarding the English vocabulary.

The following document http://teach.maryville.edu/myu/Bio300/Hand.ppt confirms:

- thenar eminence: ball / heel of thumb
- hypothenar eminence: heel of hand at little finger


... Sounds like that the Dutch vocabulary is a little bit more sophisticated regarding this aspect of the hand, because the 'heel of hand' appears to refer to both the thenar AND the hypothenar; but in daily life the word 'heel' refers in English language ONLY to the foot, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(disambiguation)

Anyway, I think a large part of my question has been answered now... because basically the Dutch word 'mouse of the hand' (handmuis) can best be translated into English language as the 'heel of the hand'.

Resulting in that we now sort of have three hand-mouses:
- thumbmouse
- pinkymouse
- dorsalmouse (= zone between thumb & index finger at the back of the hand when both fingers are heald together)

Anyway, I realize that few people will understand what I am talking about when I continue to use these 'mice familly'... so in the future I will try to avoid using the word 'mouse'.


PS. I have another question: does anybody know the medical jargon (vocabulary) for the 'mouse at the back of the hand'?

Martijn (admin) wrote:
PS. I have another question: does anybody know the medical jargon (vocabulary) for the 'mouse at the back of the hand'?[/color]

Patti wrote:

Martijn (admin) wrote:
PS. I have another question: does anybody know the medical jargon (vocabulary) for the 'mouse at the back of the hand'?[/color]

Dorsal Interosseous (1 of 1-4)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorsal_interossei_of_the_hand

Thanks Patti, that's one step ahead (though my question is still unanswered)

Because your answer describe that the 'first dorsal interosseous' is in the medical name of the muscle inside the 'mouse' at the back of the hand.

Just like the muscle inside the 'thenar' is called the 'first palmar interosseous'.


So, this implicates that my question is still unanswered... since I think there really must be some kind of a name to refer to that zone of the hand (your answer only describes the name of the muscle inside that zone of the hand)

Manfred wrote:Hy,

here is the oldest source about the hand "mouse" I know from the respected French chirologist:

Mangin, Henri: Die Hand ein Sinnbild des Menschen", Rascher Verlag, Zürich1973.
Original title: Le Main, Portrait de l'Homme, Edition du Griffon d'Or, Paris 1947 (?).



Regards
Manfred

Martijn (admin) wrote:

Patti wrote:

Martijn (admin) wrote:
PS. I have another question: does anybody know the medical jargon (vocabulary) for the 'mouse at the back of the hand'?[/color]

Dorsal Interosseous (1 of 1-4)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorsal_interossei_of_the_hand

Thanks Patti, that's one step ahead (though my question is still unanswered)

Because your answer describe that the 'first dorsal interosseous' is in the medical name of the muscle inside the 'mouse' at the back of the hand.

Just like the muscle inside the 'thenar' is called the 'first palmar interosseous'.


So, this implicates that my question is still unanswered... since I think there really must be some kind of a name to refer to that zone of the hand (your answer only describes the name of the muscle inside that zone of the hand)

Patti wrote:
"The Growing Hand" describes the early development of these muscles and says:

"The first dorsal interosseous is composed of the two flexores breves profundi present in the first interspace, ...."

Thanks again Patti, excellent: I guess that's the answer I was looking for!
The 'handmouse' is called the 'first interspace' according the medical vocabulary.

That leaves only one question unanswered:

What is the most common daily-language synonym for the 'first interspace'?
(If there is any???)