Do you have normal finger length? [locked]

**Martijn (admin)** Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:00 pm

The picture above presents an opportunity to assess you finger length by detail in the perspective of normal finger length variations (versus abnormal finger length variations).

You can use it by making a few measurements - I'll explain this by sharing the measurements from my own hands:

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 8.7 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11.65 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.7 / 8.8 = 0.989
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.7 / 11.65 = 0.747

Finger length index: 8.7 / (8.8+11.65) = 0.425

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 8.85 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 9.05 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11.55 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.85 / 9.05 = 0.978
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.85 / 11.55 = 0.766

Finger length index: 8.85 / (9.05+11.55) = 0.43

ANALYSIS:

- The numbers for both of my hands are very close to international average for males (so by finger lengths are typical for a male).

- My 'finger length index' is clearly inside the normal range for both hands (the average is slightly below the average of the mid of the normal range - which is also typical for a male).

- Also, the 'finger length' is clearly longer in my left hand and the palm length is clearly shorter (compared to my right hand), which is a clue regarding my left handedness. And palm breadth is also larger in my left hand (also compared to palm length), which provides confirmation for the first clue.

PS. Many more details are presented here:
http://www.handresearch.com/diagnostics/how-to-assess-your-finger-length.htm

PPS. This is only the beginning... I am working on a few more pictures that will provide guidelines for how finger length can be used to identify info related to other themes.

**Martijn (admin)** Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:04 pm

Now... anyone interested to get a reading for your finger length?

You are welcome to share the details for both of your hands (including measurements for finger length, palm breadth and palm length), then I will try my best to present you an analysis for your hands.

wave

PS. Please try to make the measurements for your hands as precisely as you can.

**Lynn** Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:12 pm

Ok Martijn, here are my measurements.

MY RIGHT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.2 cm

MY LEFT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 7.9 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.1 cm

**Martijn (admin)** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:31 pm

Lynn wrote:Ok Martijn, here are my measurements.

MY RIGHT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.2 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.0 / 7.8 = 1.026
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.0 / 10.2 = 0.784

Finger length index: 8.0 / (7.8+10.2) = 0.444

MY LEFT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 7.9 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.1 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 7.9 / 7.7 = 1.026
Finger length to palm length ratio: 7.9 / 10.1 = 0.782

Finger length index: 7.9 / (7.7+10.1) = 0.444

Hi Lynn,

Thanks for sharing your measurements. Thumbs up!

MY ANALYSIS FOR YOUR HANDS:

- The numbers for both hands are slightly higher than the international average for females (so your finger lengths are typical for a female).

- Your 'finger length index' is clearly inside the normal range for both hands (both slightly above the average of the mid of the normal range - which is also typical for a female).

- Also, your 'finger length' is longer in your right hand, but palm length and palm breadth are also longer (compared to your left hand) - so you obviously have larger right hand. But since both your finger length and palm breadth are dominant this indicates your right handedness - though there are some contradictive clues which could indicate that you might prefer to do some things with your left hand.

- Finally, I could add a more speculative note (I am still working on this aspect)... your finger length index is not typical for a UK woman (though not unusual neither) - but instead your finger length is rather more typical for people in East Asia (the 2nd strongest continental connection appears to be the Middle East).

So, I guess... hardly any big surprises in this reading. Correct?

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the 'finger length reading'! Very Happy

**Lynn** Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:27 am

Thanks Martijn,

feedback:
I am right handed & do everything with right hand. The only thing I ever preferred to do with left hand was ironing, and I hold cigarette in left hand. Embarassed

My hands are slightly large for my height - I am 5ft 4", my hand length is average for someone 5ft 6" (I don't know if that is relevant). and btw I have no East Asian ancestry.

note - I measured finger length and then palm length. Later I measured total length of palm from top rascette of wrist to tip of middle finger, and it was 0.4 cm higher than the individual measurements added together! so I measured the finger & palm length again in a more relaxed position (I think I stretched them out first time, I'm not sure if 0.4 cm makes a difference?)

so, what have we learnt from this? that I am typical for a female tho not typical for a UK female, but more typical for East Asian female. Slightly higher than international average for females, but within normal range. Right handed (yes) might prefer to do some things with left hand (not much). So what does that tell us about me? (I am aware that hand shape is a very general characteristic that doesn't tell us much specific about a person, and that my finger length is a little above average for a fire shaped hand, but not long enough for a water shape hand).

**Martijn (admin)** Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:57 am

Hi Lynn,

Regarding the measurement problem, not sure what caused your problem... all I can add that one should best make sure that the measurements are done on a 'flat' hand.

Thanks for adding your comment about fire (and water) hand shape. I will later also see how the criteria for each hand shape (that you shared some time earlier) can be projected in the finger length picture. I think you will love the result so much then... especially since I will then also be able to present the four hand types in the perspective of finger length in Down syndrome, Fragile-X syndrome and Marfan syndrome.

So... I will be able to add more specific info at a later moment - within a few days.

Thank you for your feedback so far!

wave

Patti Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:02 pm

My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:11 am

Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 7.7 / 7.8 = 0.987
Finger length to palm length ratio: 7.7 / 9.7 = 0.794

Finger length index: 7.7 / (7.8+9.7) = 0.44

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 7.9 / 7.9 = 1.000
Finger length to palm length ratio: 7.9 / 9.6 = 0.823

Finger length index: 7.9 / (7.9+9.6) = 0.451

Hi Patti,
Thank you for sharing your measurements. Thanks!

MY ANALYSIS FOR YOUR HANDS:

- The average numbers for both hands are close to the international averages and slightly closer to female average; more specific: you actually have slightly long fingers relative to palm length but also slightly short fingers relative to palm width (compared to the international averages for females). So, your finger length can sort of be described as perfectly normal, but your palm length is (just) a little bit short (in the international perspective - but your numbers appear to be quite typical for US women, see the speculative note below).

- Your 'finger length index' is clearly inside the normal range for both hands; both slightly above the average of the mid of the normal range - which is relatively normal for a female.

- Also, your 'finger length' is longer in your right hand, and combined with palm breadth longer in your right hand and palm length shorter in your right hand this is a typical combination for a right-handed person.are also longer (compared to your left hand) - so you obviously have larger right hand.

- Finally, I also could add a speculative note (I am still working on this aspect)... your finger length index is quite typical for a US woman - US women appear to have a palm shape slightly shorter + wider compared to the international averages for men and women. I could that in this perspective your palm is actually a little bit narrower than the average for US women, though still quite close to this average.

NOTICE: I will disclose more info about the typical values for US women at a later stage.

I hope you enjoyed the 'finger length reading', do the details make sense for you?

wave

Patti Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:44 am

Nice to be *normal*. Very Happy

My right foot is slightly longer than my left, too.

**tap** Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:35 am

Rt hand

Middle finger 7.8 cm
Palm width 7.9 cm
Palm length 10.0 cm

Lt hand

Middle finger 7.7 cm
Palm width 7.5 cm
Palm length 9.9 cm

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:31 am

tap wrote:Rt hand

Middle finger 7.8 cm
Palm width 7.9 cm
Palm length 10.0 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 7.8 / 7.9 = 0.987
Finger length to palm length ratio: 7.8 / 10.0 = 0.780

Finger length index: 7.8 / (7.9+10.0) = 0.446

Lt hand

Middle finger 7.7 cm
Palm width 7.5 cm
Palm length 9.9 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 7.7 / 7.5 = 1.027
Finger length to palm length ratio: 7.7 / 9.9 = 0.777

Finger length index: 7.7 / (7.5+9.9) = 0.443

Hi Tap,

Thank you for sharing your measurements. Thumbs up!

MY ANALYSIS FOR YOUR HANDS:

- The average for your hands is very close to the international average for females; more specific: you actually have slightly long fingers relative to palm length (compared to the international averages for females). So, your finger length can sort of be described as perfectly normal, but your palm length is (just) a little bit short (in the international perspective - but your numbers appear to be quite typical for US women, see the speculative note below).

- Your 'finger length index' is clearly inside the normal range for both hands; both slightly above the average of the mid of the normal range - which is relatively normal for a female.

- Also, your 'finger length' is longer in your right hand, and combined with palm breadth longer in your right hand (palm length only slightly longer in your right hand) this is a typical combination for a right-handed person. Basically, your right hand is a bit larger than your left hand.

- Finally, I also could add a speculative note (I am still working on this aspect)... your finger length index is quite typical for a US woman - US women appear to have a palm shape slightly shorter + wider compared to the international averages for men and women. I could that in this perspective your palm is actually narrower than the average for US women, though still not far away from this average.

NOTICE: I will disclose more info about the typical values for US women at a later stage.

I hope you enjoyed the 'finger length reading'! Smile

**tap** Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:54 am

Thanks Martijn!
I like normal cheers

mirrzzaa Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:06 pm

hi Martijn,

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger):8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.3 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.7 cm

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 7.11 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.3 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

**Martijn (admin)** Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:45 pm

mirrzzaa wrote:hi Martijn,

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger):8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.3 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.7 cm

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 7.11 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.3 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Hello Mirrzzaa,

Nice to see you sharing your measurements.

Unfortunately, something probably went wrong during the process of making your measurments. Because the numbers indicate a huge difference between both hands... which is not present in your hand photos, see:
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t1865-is-this-type-of-sun-line-works#19162

More specific: the numbers for your left hand appear to be incorrect, so would you please mind to make new measurements in order to find out where you made the mistake?

(Afterwards I will do my best to provide you my analysis!)

wave

mirrzzaa Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:59 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
mirrzzaa wrote:hi Martijn,

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger):8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.3 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.7 cm

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 7.11 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.3 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Hello Mirrzzaa,

Nice to see you sharing your measurements.

Unfortunately, something probably went wrong during the process of making your measurments. Because the numbers indicate a huge difference between both hands... which is not present in your hand photos, see:
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t1865-is-this-type-of-sun-line-works#19162

More specific: the numbers for your left hand appear to be incorrect, so would you please mind to make new measurements in order to find out where you made the mistake?

(Afterwards I will do my best to provide you my analysis!)

hi Martijn, sorry for the mistake in the the measurement,

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger):8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:50 am

mirrzzaa wrote:
hi Martijn, sorry for the mistake in the the measurement,

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger):8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.0 / 8.8 = 0.909
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.0 / 11.0 = 0.727

Finger length index: 8.0 / (8.8+11.0) = 0.404

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.0 / 8.7 = 0.920
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.0 / 11.0 = 0.727

Finger length index: 8.0 / (8.7+11.0) = 0.406

MY ANALYSIS FOR YOUR HANDS:

- The numbers for both hands are below the international average for males, but within the normal range (so your finger lengths are typical for a male).

- Your 'finger length index' is relatively low, though just inside the normal range for both hands (also typical for a male).

- Hardly any difference for your 'finger length' between both hands.

- Finally, I could add a more speculative note (I am still working on this aspect)... your finger length index is not typical for a male from South Asia (though not unusual neither) - unfortunately I do not any specific data for people from Pakistan.

PS. Your photos confirm that you might have even short finger length relative to palm breadth than suggested by your measurements (with below average finger length relative to palm length). That indicates that you have an '~~earth~~ earth-fire hand shape' (in the perspective of elemental hand reading - various discussions related to elemental hand reading are available in this forum section: https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/f3-iiic-elemental-chirology).

So, I guess you basically clearly have short fingers.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the 'finger length reading'!

mirrzzaa Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:22 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
mirrzzaa wrote:
hi Martijn, sorry for the mistake in the the measurement,

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger):8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.0 / 8.8 = 0.909
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.0 / 11.0 = 0.727

Finger length index: 8.0 / (8.8+11.0) = 0.404

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.0 / 8.7 = 0.920
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.0 / 11.0 = 0.727

Finger length index: 8.0 / (8.7+11.0) = 0.406

MY ANALYSIS FOR YOUR HANDS:

- The numbers for both hands are below the international average for males, but within the normal range (so your finger lengths are typical for a male).

- Your 'finger length index' is relatively low, though just inside the normal range for both hands (also typical for a male).

- Hardly any difference for your 'finger length' between both hands.

- Finally, I could add a more speculative note (I am still working on this aspect)... your finger length index is not typical for a male from South Asia (though not unusual neither) - unfortunately I do not any specific data for people from Pakistan.

PS. Your photos confirm that you might have even short finger length relative to palm breadth than suggested by your measurements (with below average finger length relative to palm length). That indicates that you have an '~~earth~~ earth-fire hand shape' (in the perspective of elemental hand reading - various discussions related to elemental hand reading are available in this forum section: https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/f3-iiic-elemental-chirology).

So, I guess you basically clearly have short fingers.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the 'finger length reading'!

Hi Martijn,

Hi Martijn,

thanks for ur analyses and you are right I have an Earth shaped hand, Small fingers while long palm.

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:04 pm

mirrzzaa wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
mirrzzaa wrote:
hi Martijn, sorry for the mistake in the the measurement,

MY RIGHT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger):8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.0 / 8.8 = 0.909
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.0 / 11.0 = 0.727

Finger length index: 8.0 / (8.8+11.0) = 0.404

MY LEFT HAND:

Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 8.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 11 cm

Finger length to palm breadth ratio: 8.0 / 8.7 = 0.920
Finger length to palm length ratio: 8.0 / 11.0 = 0.727

Finger length index: 8.0 / (8.7+11.0) = 0.406

MY ANALYSIS FOR YOUR HANDS:

- The numbers for both hands are below the international average for males, but within the normal range (so your finger lengths are typical for a male).

- Your 'finger length index' is relatively low, though just inside the normal range for both hands (also typical for a male).

- Hardly any difference for your 'finger length' between both hands.

- Finally, I could add a more speculative note (I am still working on this aspect)... your finger length index is not typical for a male from South Asia (though not unusual neither) - unfortunately I do not any specific data for people from Pakistan.

PS. Your photos confirm that you might have even short finger length relative to palm breadth than suggested by your measurements (with below average finger length relative to palm length). That indicates that you have an '~~earth~~ earth-fire hand shape' (in the perspective of elemental hand reading - various discussions related to elemental hand reading are available in this forum section: https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/f3-iiic-elemental-chirology).

So, I guess you basically clearly have short fingers.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the 'finger length reading'!

Hi Martijn,

thanks for ur analyses and you are right I have an Earth shaped hand, Small fingers while long palm.
but i have a question for u if u know about it then must reply, i have an mole on the lunar mount, what is it mean?

Hello Mirza,

Sorry, I do not attribute much value to moles. But maybe you can ask that question in some other forum topic? (Because your mole-question goes beyond this topic).

By the way, yesterday I made some progress regarding the topic of elemental hand shape... and it turns out now that you have a combination of earth/fire hand shape (for both hands). I have corrected this now in my earlier analysis.

wave

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Do you have normal finger length? [locked] Finger-length-variations-hand-shapes-axes-2

Yesterday we made some significant progress regarding how to recognize 'elemental hand shape' from the hand dimesions based on finger length - the result is presented above.

(You can read more about this research in the topic: Intro to 5 element chirology )

Therefore it now becomes much more interesting to see the implications for 'elemental hand shape' regarding the measurements presented here so far (and it would for sure be interesting to hear the thoughts are regarding these new results!):

(By the way, the finger coordinates of the people below are NOT presented in the picture above)

My hands:
- right hand (fl/pb: 0.989, fl/pl: 0.747): ~~close to~~ fire hand shape
- left hand (fl/pb: 0.978, fl/pl: 0.766): fire hand shape

Lynn's hands:
- right hand (fl/pb: 1.026, fl/pl: 0.784): ~~fire/water~~ fire/air hand shape
- left hand (fl/pb: 1.026, fl/pl: 0.782): ~~fire/water~~ fire/air hand shape

Patti's hands:
- right hand (fl/pb: 1.000, fl/pl: 0.823): air hand shape
- left hand (fl/pb: 0.987, fl/pl: 0.794): ~~close to neutral (most close to earth hand shape)~~ fire/air hand shape

Tap's hands:
- right hand (fl/pb: 0.987, fl/pl: 0.780): fire hand shape ~~(close to neutral)~~
- left hand (fl/pb: 1.027, fl/pl: 0.777): ~~fire/water~~ fire/air hand shape

Mirrzzaa's hands:
- right hand (fl/pb: 0.909, fl/pl: 0.727): earth/fire hand shape
- left hand (fl/pb: 0.920, fl/pl: 0.727): fire/earth hand shape

**tap** Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:29 pm

Wow!

I think this chart clarifies a lot for people using the 5 element system in determining specific hand shape(s) and the degree of attributes to them. Very helpful for people to quickly see and understand their hand shape. Thumb up

PS I just charted a few hands I have on file and this seems to really work well! happy move

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:58 pm

Hi Tap,

Very nice to see that you appreciate the benefits of this new tool.

Yes, it looks like assessing (elemental) hand shape now no longer is solely a matter of perception & evaluation.

Thank you for sharing your enthousiasm!

Thanks!

mirrzzaa Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:18 pm

hi Martijn,

nice work and Tap is right that chart really help us to identity the shape of the hand, Thumb up

btw it sounds good to know that i have an Earth/Fire shape hand, so it meanz the charastic of Fire hand also fits on me. Thumbs up!

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:25 pm

Thanks Mirrzzaa,

Very nice to hear from you that you recognized as well how this chart can serve for practical purposes.

Thanks!

**Lynn** Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:50 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Lynn's hands:
- right hand (fl/pb: 1.026, fl/pl: 0.784): fire/water hand shape
- left hand (fl/pb: 1.026, fl/pl: 0.782): fire/water hand shape

previous measurements given
MY RIGHT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.2 cm

MY LEFT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 7.9 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.1 cm

ah now here we have a discrepancy because in the 5 element system my hands are not fire / water! The measurements above were taken across the metacarpals, but if measured across the centre of the palm my hand is 8cm. almost standard fire palm, not narrow enough to be water. My (medium) fingers are a bit longer than standard fire hands so this adds air element.

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:19 pm

Lynn wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
Lynn's hands:
- right hand (fl/pb: 1.026, fl/pl: 0.784): fire/water hand shape
- left hand (fl/pb: 1.026, fl/pl: 0.782): fire/water hand shape

previous measurements given
MY RIGHT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 8 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.8 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.2 cm

MY LEFT HAND:
Finger length (middle finger): 7.9 cm
Palm breadth (at end of metacarpals): 7.7 cm
Palm length (from upper wrist crease): 10.1 cm

ah now here we have a discrepancy because in the 5 element system my hands are not fire / water! The measurements above were taken across the metacarpals, but if measured across the centre of the palm my hand is 8cm. almost standard fire palm, not narrow enough to be water. My (medium) fingers are a bit longer than standard fire hands so this adds air element.

Haha... Lynn, is this really a discrepancy?

Because your comment sounds like so far you assumed to have a typical 'fire palm' shape. No problem thus far.

However, you mentioned that your finger length is 'medium'... which makes me wonder why you associate this with 'air'? Why not associating it with water?

Let me explain how I see it:

In general... due to the 'square palm' that is associated with air hand shape, one would expect that air finger length would typically require to be LONGER than water finger length! Why? Well, that is because especially water hand shape is associated with a NARROW palm (but not a long palm like is seen in fire hand shape!)... which sort of implicates normal palm length + slightly long finger length for the typical water hand!

NOTICE: The descriptions given by Dukes and Fincham confirm this, for example Fincham speaks about that in air hands fingers are required to be longer than ''seven-eights of the length of the palm or more". However, However, regarding water hands finger are only required "seven-eights the palm length... and longer than the width"!

While in air hand shape, one can expect due to the SHORT palm length... LONGER finger length in a typical air hand, compared to the slightly long finger length in a typical water hand?

So, would you mind to explain your thinking here? Why associate 'medium' finger length with air?

Because I have just described why your 'normal finger length' more points in the direction of water ... than air. That is, according my sense for 'logics'. Wink

(Lynn, maybe you have other hand features that can be recognized to represent the influence of air?)

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