The 'Weird-Hand-Lines QUIZ' - part 2 (advanced)

tap wrote:The abstracts just do not help so far. Have seen one for Pitt-Rogers-Danks syndrome saying (through the search function and desciption) "on her right palm there was an ... " (that is where it ends )

Might have to subscribe.

Martijn (admin) wrote:
... This friday the Quiz will enter it's second week, I am thinking about revealing one of the connections - if the Quiz is then still unsolved!

Uhmm... which one would you like to see revealed first?

tap wrote:First attempt.

Line 1 = (I)Sickle Cell Diseases
Line 2 = (A ) Alagille syndrome
Line 3 = (C)down’s sydrome
Line 4 =
Line 5 = (D) Foetal alcohol syndrome
Line 6 = (C)down’s sydrome, (E), Fragile X syndrome, (F)Edward's syndrome
Line 7 = (C)down’s sydrome, (E), Fragile X syndrome
Line 8 = (B)Coffin-Lowry syndrome
Line 9 =

Felicity Martin wrote:
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(1) With the Coffin Lowry syndrome and number 8 - is this line also what I often have called the via lasciva or poison line? I have found this associated with antibiotic sensitivity and also increased in strength with heavy antibiotic use with resistant infections- but please note these are just a limited number of observations obviously.
(2) With the aberrant Sydney line and head line, I have noticed this in people with a history of heroin use, but now wonder whether the line predisposed them to the drug abuse or the drug abuse caused it?
(3) Are the lines on the fingers, added lines or are they creases in different positions- the overlapping fingers that are associated with Edward's syndrome?
Sorry to be a pain
Felicity

Hi Felicity,

My apologies, obviously I haven't yet answered all your questions:

Ad 1: No, line 8 (positioned in the upper zone of the hypothenar/mount of moon) doesn't related to the Via Lascivai nor the 'poison line' - for those lines are positioned lower in the palm.

Ad 2: Well, from a statistical point of view I expect that drug abuse is much higher among people who have abnormalities in their major palmar lines. But I think those abnormalities are much more likely indicators for other kind of 'troubles' (sorry, I must admit that I have no experience at all regarding hand characteristics in heroine abuse).

Ad 3: Yes indeed, the lines 1, 2 and 4 are 'extra' lines (so in those cases the normal interphalangeal lines are presents as well)... but these three 'extra lines' do not related to Edward's syndrome.


Good Lord... this quiz is running now almost 1 month!!

Next weekend, on the 23th, I will make the task a little less complicated... by revealing one of the 'connections'.

Any suggestions...? Which line shall I reveal first?
(Though submissions for winning the quiz are very welcome as well!!)

Lynn wrote:before Martijn reveals some answers tomorrow, here's my attempt:

I notice on 30th sept, I had something written for 5 syndromes and 7 lines..... ...
I can't find the notes I made! I had to start again

Line 1 = extra crease on the 1st phalange (beyond the distal interphalangeal crease)
I = Sickle Cell Disease

Line 2 = extra crease on the 2nd phalange (in 1 or more fingers)
A = Alagille syndrome

Line 3 = single crease on the pinky finger
C = Down's syndrome

Line 4 = extra crease on the thumb
G = Pit-Rogers-Dank syndrome (thanks Tap for your links on 27th sept!)

Line 5 = 'hockey-stick crease'
D = Fetal alcohol syndrome

Line 6 = simian crease
C = Down's syndrome, D = Fetal alcohol syndrome, E = Fragile X syndrome, F = Edward's syndrome

Line 7 = Sydney crease
C = Down's syndrome, E = Fragile X syndrome

Line 8 = transverse hypothenar crease
B = Coffin-Lowry syndrome

Line 9 = secondary creases: unusually high density
H = Schizophrenia

Ok Martijn, how did I do?

Wow Lynn, you did very well!!

Actually: you are... sóóóóóóó close!!!

Formally, I see 8 correct connections:


... I see only 1 single 'formal' mistake!!


However, you definitely deserve to get an indirect clue:

For, your mistake concerns one of the lines for which you provided only 1 single answer - but I must admit that formally it's not a mistake at all!!! - Because you connected a sydrome to that line which indeed is relatively often featured with that line.


PS. Lynn, by the way...

With this clue, I think... if your second attempt will include only 1 single syndrome for each line, then I could probably accept a new attempt as a 'valid' solution!! 'Capice?'

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Wow Lynn, you did very well!!
Actually: you are... sóóóóóóó close!!!
..... <snip>....... I see only 1 single 'formal' mistake!!
...<snip>.... 'Capice?'

Felicity Martin wrote:Back from a holiday- that's my excuse, but wouldn't have got there me thinks! Congratulations to you all.

A question though. Does this mean people with those lines not demonstrating the symptoms could be carrying recessive genes?
Another marking I look for in schizophrenia is a composite loop or whorl on the Mount of Lunar...

Cheers Felicity

Hi Felicity,

I appreciate your question very much, and I even think it is an intelligent question!!

However...


I would actually recommend NEVER to make any suggestions/conclusions about genes - especially when considering only one single hand characteristic!!

For... even if one starts considering multiple 'suspected' hand characteristics, a very large majority of people doesn't know anything about their genes - and very likely they will never know anything about their genes for sure!

A decision to have your genes analysed is not a 'cheap' investment.
And obviously... you and I do not have the expertise - nor the tools - to provide people a SOLID 'genetic assessment'!!


Yes, I know... it is very 'modern' to talk about genes today!
But in our perspective it is actually quite dangerious - and maybe even 'irresponsible' - to talk about genes. Because any suggestion to a person that he/she might have 'weak genes' (in a certain perspective of disease, etc.) could easily create a trauma of 'fear'!

I hope you understand!
(Again, I do like your question! )