MOUNTS OF PLUT, NEPTUNE, URANUS, RAHU AND KETU

Dear Martijn, Lynn, Patti and other learned palmists,

I have not seen anyone referring to Mount of Pluto, Mount of Neptune, Mount of Uranus and Rahu and Ketu. Are these mounts not considered in Western Palmistry. If considered then where are they exactly located and how to go about reading the qualities of these Mounts?

Pravin Kumar

Dear Martijn,

I do not know where to post the above.

hi Pravin, I've moved this to section IIIa - "Modern Palmistry: general topics, questions".
because where you posted it, Elemental Palmistry, the nomenclature is different all based on the elements & I think this is a more general palmistry question.

Pravin, I was never taught anything about Mount of Uranus. Nor do I know anything about Rahu & Ketu - are they Indian palmistry? I think I read that Ketu is where I would call Neptune, and Rahu what I was taught as 'quadrangle' between head and heart lines - or is one of them what I know as the Plain of Mars' in centre of palm (??).

I was taught Neptune is the area above top rascette at the centre of the wrist, Pluto is lower luna (ulna side, above the wrist).

Hi Pravinji, I too agree with Lynn on Pluto and Neptune. ( its 5 elemental system - As such the 5E system doesn't deal with these much)

They are considered in western palmistry.
The position of Neptune is also same in Unger's system also.
But, position of Pluto differs there. What is considered Uranus in 5 elemental system is considered as Pluto's position in Unger's system
The position of Uranus or Pluto(in Unger's system) is next to upper Mars, b/w head and heart lines.

Neptune deals with - Mesmerizing, enchanting, mystical forces
Pluto deals with - Death, reformation, re-birth, the deepest emotions


R & K are dealt in GS Birla's schools. I don't know the exact positioning and have not much idea on this.Martijn has a reference for that and he had posted once in this form. Just search with those key words and you should get them here only.

Hope this helps.

Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi Pravinji, I too agree with Lynn on Pluto and Neptune. ( its 5 elemental system - As such the 5E system doesn't deal with these much)

They are considered in western palmistry.
The position of Neptune is also same in Unger's system also.
But, position of Pluto differs there. What is considered Uranus in 5 elemental system is considered as Pluto's position in Unger's system
The position of Uranus or Pluto(in Unger's system) is next to upper Mars, b/w head and heart lines.

Neptune deals with - Mesmerizing, enchanting, mystical forces
Pluto deals with - Death, reformation, re-birth, the deepest emotions


R & K are dealt in GS Birla's schools. I don't know the exact positioning and have not much idea on this.Martijn has a reference for that and he had posted once in this form. Just search with those key words and you should get them here only.

Hope this helps.

sorry Kiran I am a bit confused ... especially by "What is considered Uranus in 5 elemental system...."
as far as I am aware, 5-element system doesn't deal with Pluto, Neptune, Uranus etc.
(using traditional palmistry & 5-elements combined - Pluto would be part of water quadrant, Neptune on the lower boundary of earth & water quadrants. I have no memory of being taught anything about Uranus)??

anyway it's interesting to hear how Richard Unger sees it, ie Pluto next to upper Mars b/w head and heart lines. (is that where I thought I read that Rahu is positioned?). Whereas I know Pluto as being below luna on ulna side of hand.

Sorry Pravin I had no time earlier to answer "how to go about reading the qualities of these Mounts?"

Honestly I can't remember much about Neptune, I never studied it much, although it is very well developed on my hand! My first palmistry teacher told me it brings insight into mystical things and also relates to female hormone aspects. (when I learnt more about palmistry I thought her comments might relate more to luna/pluto - like "High Priestess" in Tarot card reading ?). Altho 'female hormone aspects' of Neptune would correlate to palmistry tradition where top rascette rises high up in the centre of wrist (Neptune position) relating to difficulties in conception/fertility/childbirth. But, basically, I don't understand Neptune!

I think I have a better grasp of Pluto than Neptune. As I understand it - Pluto rules Scorpio, Pluto was God of the underworld. Situated on lower luna in traditional palmistry (which would be base of water quadrant in 5-element hand analysis) it is the deepest aspect of the subconscious/mysterious/emotional. Interest in sex, death, karma, all the mysteries of life & the unknown, wanting to peel away the layers and get to the root of things, also good for deep research. But dwelling too much in Pluto can lead to deep nostaligia (deep well of emotions) & depression. (eg if Pluto mount is set low & extends into the wrist, or headline extends into Pluto mount).

I'm interested to hear other people's thoughts & understanding of these mounts, thanks for posting this question Pravin.

Dear Lynn,

I have also read about Pluto to be at lower Mount of Moon i.e. what Benham describes as Lower Mount of Moon and yes Rahu is betwee the head and hear line and Neptune to be above the wrist just by the side of the life line but I yet to read about any palmist in most of the forum I visit to refer to Pluto and Neptune excepting in one of the reading Ed Campbell gave long time back in Palmistry Primal Focus referring to Pluto.

How to demarcat the are these Mounts. I assume to read lines on them in a general way i.e. vertical lines to be positive indication and horizontal linzes as negative. Secondly how to define the Mounts of Moon, Venus and Mars i.e. regarding where the apex is located so as to know the strength of the Mounts. Is there anyway to locate the strength of these mounts like we can do in Jupitor, Saturn, Apollo and Mercury as we can always locate the apex of these mounts.

Pravin Kumar

Hi Lynn, yes its 5E + traditional palmistry. Jen refers to Uranus between head and heart lines, just next to upper Mars. I thought, it came from 5E + traditional palmistry.

B.t.w. is your Pluto mount is also well developed, considering your interests in Tarot?