loops on thumbs

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:40 pm

Could you please tell me on the thumb does the loop go towards the fingers like a radial loop, or does is it as the ulnar loop on fingers.
Thanks,
Jeanette.

shoaibkhan Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:55 pm

jeanette wrote:Could you please tell me on the thumb does the loop go towards the fingers like a radial loop, or does is it as the ulnar loop on fingers.
Thanks,
Jeanette.

Have you been asking from me ?

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:14 pm

Hi Shoiab,
I am asking everybody, but if you know I would be very pleased if you told me.
Thanks,
Jeanette

shoaibkhan Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:20 pm

jeanette wrote:Hi Shoiab,
I am asking everybody, but if you know I would be very pleased if you told me.
Thanks,
Jeanette

i do have ulnar loops on my both thumps. its going away ( against ) direction from the fingers.
Although some of my fingers has very straight loops neither going away nor in same direction. they are perfectly straight............

Yes

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:26 pm

Thanks but what way is the loop supposed to go on the thumb.

shoaibkhan Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:31 pm

jeanette wrote:Thanks but what way is the loop supposed to go on the thumb.

i dont knowwww !!!!!!!!! scratch

Hifi question. lol

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:46 pm

Thanks Shoiab,
I'll just have to wait and see what other replies come in. Hopefully soon, as I am all confused trying to work this out and I am also wondering do you get radial loops on thumbs.

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:01 pm

jeanette wrote:Thanks but what way is the loop supposed to go on the thumb.

Hi Jeanette,

In white people the 'ulnar loop' is by far the most common fingerprint type seen in the thumb, however in quite some other populations (especially in Asians) the whorl is the most common finger.

Also, the 'radial loop' is least common on the pinky finger & the thumb.

Does this answer your question?

PS. The following article presents an overview of the most common fingerprints for each finger among various populations around the world:
http://www.handresearch.com/news/fingerprints-world-map-whorls-loops-arches.htm#distribution

loops on thumbs Universal-fingerprints-distribution-10-fingers

loops on thumbs Universal-fingerprints-distribution-10-fingers

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:20 pm

Thanks Martijin, but the ulnar loops on the fingers go towards the thumb. Is the loop on the thumb going the same way.
Thanks.

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:34 pm

jeanette wrote:Thanks Martijin, but the ulnar loops on the fingers go towards the thumb. Is the loop on the thumb going the same way.
Thanks.

Hi Jeanette,

I am not sure what you mean with "go towards the thumb"; maybe you better drop the idea of describing fingerprints like that... and instead you better talk about just 'ulnar loops' and 'radial loops'.

Does this make sense?

(Or do you still feel inconfident about how to discriminate an 'ulnar loop' from a 'radial loop'? - EDIT: By the way, I think you described the 'ulnar loop' correctly... but your choice of words would become confusing if you had not described that ulnar loops "go toward the thumb")

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Obviously I am not explaining myself well at all. I know the difference between a ulnar and radial loop on the fingers, but what I have discovered is I don't the difference on the thumb.
Thanks.

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:07 pm

jeanette wrote:Obviously I am not explaining myself well at all. I know the difference between a ulnar and radial loop on the fingers, but what I have discovered is I don't the difference on the thumb.
Thanks.

"... but what I have discovered is I don't ...???... the difference on the thumb..."

Sorry Jeanette, I still don't understand what your question really is - but I think a word is missing in your last sentence...???

PS. 'Radial loops' are very rarely seen on the thumb (though they are even more rare in pinky fingers!)

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:16 pm

Yes the word missing is know. I don't know the difference between a ulnar and radial loop on the thumbs.

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:32 pm

jeanette wrote:Yes the word missing is know. I don't know the difference between a ulnar and radial loop on the thumbs.

... Sounds like you are now asking: 'what is the meaning of a radial loop on the thumb?'

(This topic has become quite confusing, because in your 1st & 3rd post it appeared that you had another type of question in mind - sorry Jeanette, in general: I don't attribute any specific meaning to a single radial loop on the thumb except that it should be recognized as an unusual fingerprint which should lead to an assessment of other parts of the hand in order to understand it's meaning/significance for the individual)

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:41 pm

Maybe what I should have said was, I don't know how to recognise radial and ulnar loops on the thumbs. Anyway, maybe somebody else will know what I mean. If nobody does I have come up with my own solution. I am just going to ignore it as, it is said to be very rare. So thanks very much anyway and hope I didn't waste too much of your time.

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:56 pm

jeanette wrote:Maybe what I should have said was, I don't know how to recognise radial and ulnar loops on the thumbs. Anyway, maybe somebody else will know what I mean. If nobody does I have come up with my own solution. I am just going to ignore it as, it is said to be very rare. So thanks very much anyway and hope I didn't waste too much of your time.

Dear Jeanette, the principle of recognizing ulnar/radial loops on the thumb requires exactly the same procedure as for the fingers.

Therefore regarding your problem, it sounds to me that your question resulted from some kind of a rhetoric element that you have adopted in your method that is actually confusing you. For this reason I already recommended you to drop the rhetoric about where a fingerprint is 'directed' to: instead you better use a VISUAL approach only focuss on which side the 'open' side of the loop is found (open at the side of the pinky finger = ulnar loop; open at the side of the thumb = radial loop).

Does this suggestion make sense for you?

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:19 pm

Right Martijin,
I am sure I see it now. I have spent all day thinking about this and looking at fingerprints and I now think I created a problem that didn't exist. Sorry about this and thanks again.
Jeanette.

Patti Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:23 pm

Hi Jeanette,
Radial loops on thumbs look just like radial loops on index fingers. The loop around part is on the inside nearer the rest of the hand and the open side is on the outside away from the fingers of the hand.

The sample above is of peacock radials, but I think you can get the idea from the picture.

(a picture is worth a 1000 words Very Happy

)

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:26 pm

jeanette wrote:Right Martijin,
I am sure I see it now. I have spent all day thinking about this and looking at fingerprints and I now think I created a problem that didn't exist. Sorry about this and thanks again.
Jeanette.

No problem at all Jeanette.

Your last words indicate to me that you have made huge progress due to facing this problem... so I am happy with the result!

wave

**jeanette** Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:36 pm

Hi Patti,
Thanks a lot. I was thinking of asking Martijin or somebody to draw a picture, but thought how could that be done when it was not understood what I was talking about. So real picture great.
Jeanette.

Patti Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:41 pm

jeanette wrote:Hi Patti,
Thanks a lot. I was thinking of asking Martijin or somebody to draw a picture, but thought how could that be done when it was not understood what I was talking about. So real picture great.
Jeanette.

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