Astropalmistry - the zodiac

Followup from this thread: https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/vd-does-palmistry-have-it-s-roots-in-astrology-f40/the-ancient-sources-and-origin-of-astro-palmistry-t339-15.htm#2773

Okay, this is pretty serious: "The question of the zodiac: Sidereal or Tropical?". Should we desire to seriously relate astrology with palmistry we need to be able to know the correct planetary signature (horoscope) at birth. I used the Sidereal in the past but now I think the Tropical makes more sense. Assuming the Tropical as the reference system for the planets, what would be the role of the Sidereal zodiac?

Boaz

Dear Boas,

I'll shurely don't be able to discuss here too much because of all my tasks, but give some thoughts: I use the Tropical Zodiac for my astrological or comparing work and - same important to know and to decide - the Pacidus houses system. I'm coming to satisfying results for me and my clients.

But my point of view is not, that any astrological, handreading, Zodiac or houses system has rented the wisdom by its own.

Regards
Manfred

Dear Manfred,

Do you mean to say that any house or zodiac systems has its own merit as long as the practitioner is able to make use of it?

Boaz

Dear Boas ,

I can only talk about my experiences. I didn't try another Zodiac or houses system. Therefore the refersal of my sentences isn't correct, but it may be right that different systems are right for different people. Systems have a leaning to be incomplete. Shurely this leads to a philosophical side path.

Regards
Manfred

Dear Manfred,

I agree that models generally have their limitations - they are approximations of reality - and may suffice at a given resolution. However, it is important to choose the right model. For example, F=Ma (Newton's second law), like any macroscopic law is an approximation that holds only in the statistical sense at large numbers (macroscopic bodies have many constituents). Surely we would like NASA to use F=MA when calculating the trajectory of a spaceship.

Boaz

Dear Boas,

I'm working with psychological astrology that includes the feedback of the client that integrates the experiences, statements and developement of them. I think it's good to avoid the danger of ascription even in palmistry, too (if we work in a classical way and may be in working with hand analysis).

Manfred

Dear Manfred,

I hope to be able to make use of a horoscope (or palm print) without meeting the person. I believe this is a scientific approach to such studies.

Boaz

Dear Boas,

It's not possible to get all information on base of the charts, because it's possible statements are limited. All serious astrologers know about and respect the borders of astrology.

For example: You cannot know the gender, the race or people nation by body nature, and personal state of developement only on base of the charts.....
Another examples: The Sun (and the planets) in the birth chart is something we are depeloping during our individuation process. Or how a Pluto transit really express itselves depends on our experiences before with the including planets or constellations.
Here I agree with Liz Greene in my methodics.

Regards
Manfred

Dear Manfred,

My working assumption is that, in principle, everything can be deduced from the horoscope. Planets are classified as Male, Female and Neuter and they represent different races (skin color, for example). This is what the Vedas offer. The Vedas also suggest the possibility of evolution - that people can escape beyond the control of the gunas and therefore beyond the horoscope. Evolution can, presumably, be tracked by casting a Horary horoscope.

I heard about a girl who did her thesis on Vedic astrology and was provided with a grant to ask 10 (most famous in the field) vedic astrologers one single question. They all gave completely different answers. If this is the case I would rather get a degree in psychology.

Boaz

Dear Boas,

I don't agree with you that you can only know on base of the birth chart for example the sex (without knowing the male/femal name or to show the person). I can't discuss the clarification of races, because I know too less about Vedic astrology but with Western a. it's impossible. - All in all: Man - it's Inner, hidden Self - is more than it's horocope or hand shows.

I think we shouldn't await that any technic answer us all of the last man questions who were written obove the Greece temples thresholds. There is also no need to be that. But within it's border there is still more revelation possible than I know about psychology, if we ever should need those.

Regards
Manfed

Dear Manfred,

We seem to have a different outlooks at some fundamental level which anyone who has followed this thread can discern. So lets call it a day. Thank you for sharing your understandings.

Boaz

An interesting video on Jeffrey Armstrong a Vedic astrologer who used the sidereal zodiac:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N1dIUTbZTo&feature=related

Impressive video!

I read Jeffrey's book some time ago. It was bit too general and I felt he didn't really seem to give much information to work with. I've read somewhere that the video has been edited by Jeffrey from the original. Michael Shermer is a well know skeptic so it adds credibility to the study.