Re: unusual palmar dermatoglyphics

**Martijn (admin)** Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:42 pm

Patti wrote:...

You have still failed to show that a whorl on the palm "must" have three triradii.

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Patti, I guess you misunderstood the implication of my words - I didn't use the word "must" (I only described it as a 'typical' characteristic, and I have described a few aspects of the fundamentals).

Patti Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:19 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:But a palmar whorl is always surrounded by 3 triradii (though on the hypothenar one or two of them can be positioned 'extralimital'). So, in the palm the situation is a little different: because there are not just 2 triradii like is seen in a fingerprint.

Thanks for your clarification in your latest post. I thought here when you said "always" you meant exclusively.

Patti Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:39 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Thanks for mentioning that sentence, but on page 63 Cummins & Midlo have defined their 'central pocket' as:

"... a whorl or reduced size."

So, backthen Cummins & Midlo did not use the modern definition for a 'central pocket' (which requires the consideration of whether the inner ridge lines cross the imaginary line between triradii), etc..

In context:
"A central pocket loop in its characteristic form is essentially a whorl of reduced size lying in the interior of a pattern area which is constructed mainly as a loop."

sv-b Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:49 pm

Patti wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
Thanks for mentioning that sentence, but on page 63 Cummins & Midlo have defined their 'central pocket' as:

"... a whorl or reduced size."

So, backthen Cummins & Midlo did not use the modern definition for a 'central pocket' (which requires the consideration of whether the inner ridge lines cross the imaginary line between triradii), etc..

In context:
"A central pocket loop in its characteristic form is essentially a whorl of reduced size lying in the interior of a pattern area which is constructed mainly as a loop."

Hello patti, Smile

but i see some of whorl (finger print ) too consist central pocket . can you confirm it from your collection? i have it in my thumb print.
p.s: i have less knowledge in thenar whorl or loops- what it really infer?

Patti Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:59 pm

I would look for a significant difference in the ridge count from the core to each triradius. In a typical whorl these counts from each side are similar. The higher, closer in triradius would result in a much smaller ridge count to the core.

**Lynn** Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:55 am

oh how great to see a discussion on this! I never even thought to look at Cummins & Midlo when I first posted these prints. Thanks. Will check it out maybe tomorrow!

**Magda van Dijk-Rijneke** Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:35 pm

Hi Lyn,
Lets go return to the mount of Venus left hand.
In mine opinion it is a flame pattern, similar to a closed loop but has a tip. This flame pattern is often academics and religious leaders to see. In the flame is a small double loop of response.
The person has a natural feeling for music and an excellent (musical) hearing. He wants to actively perfecting and in harmony. Intends to help people using his special intuitive empathy can use. Is the tip pointing to the wrist which means that the properties are sober and solitary.

**Lynn** Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:30 pm

Thanks for picking up this thread Magda, I had forgotten I'd posted these!
Thanks for your interpretation of the 'flame', I will have to check with my student because I don't know the person whose prints are shown.

I have never had much success with the palmistry interpretations of music loops on Venus, many people who have loops there do not have any particular musical interest or skill.

Thanks!

**Magda van Dijk-Rijneke** Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:17 pm

Hi Lyn,
Sometimes I have time to take a look what's on the forume, hence my late response.

This flame pattern (Flame of Harmony) lies at the basis of the mount of Venus and represent your instinctive sources. This piece has to do with `power` and cherishing all things in our environment is present. That is unfolding, upbringing, but also his ability and creative urge. But with that pattern on the mount means that once the person responds to the inherited knowledge of nature. So, reaction and rhythm can also be seen as sensitive to the rhythms of nature (life/death, summer/winter, ) or environment (atmosphere, aura's, sounds of voices , smells, energies.) in which they reside. They respond to it immediately, instinctively. They also have a natural feel with everything to do with time (is located at the Corner of Timing). They also have a particularly intuitive empathy and they also respond that too.
The sloping lines on that part indeed increase the quality of his talents and thereby has a sense of vibration, atmosphere and energies

Do you understand me, I translate with Google Laughing

**Lynn** Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:07 pm

Thank you for sharing your insights Magda, I understand you completely!
It makes sense to me. I see a well developed lower knuckle of the thumb as bringing a good sense of rhythm, timing, good for music & dance & drumming etc. (I guess this is your 'corner of timing'). Being in the earth quarter of the hand would also make sense about rhythms of nature etc. I will remember this. I hope I see another flame of harmony again soon!!
Thanks!

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