What are the major 'schools' in Vedic palmistry?

Martijn (admin) wrote:Hello anu_d,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

But I can inform you that 'Hast Yotish' is a school with a long history (going back to the early 70's), with literally tousands of students, and is not focussed on fortune-telling. Instead, this school is focussed on using palmistry (based on Vedic revelations) for the purpose of spiritual growth through self-understanding. More details are available at: www.palmistry.com


.... else???

anu_d wrote:
Hello Martijn,

not focussed on fortune telling and based on Vedic principles are inherently contradictory

Hello Anu_d,

In 1997 Ghanshyam Singh Birla wrote in an article titled 'What is Vedic Palmistry?' where he described:

"Palmistry is associated in the minds of many with the notion of prediction. This idea comes from an incomplete understanding of palmistry."

http://www.inlightimes.com/archives/2004/09/palm.htm

And I am aware that Birla has putten quite some of his efforts on studying how the lines and other aspects of the hands change in time; and being aware of the simple fact that so many parameters in the hand may change in time... that could simply explain why not all basics of 'Vedic palmistry' are focussed on prediction.

So actually, I think that there's a clear contradiction ... ... between your statement about Vedic palmistry, and Birla's version of Vedic palmistry - which obviously goes far beyond prediction..

Anu_d, can you please explain WHY you associate Vedic palmistry solely with prediction???

Martijn (admin) wrote:

anu_d wrote:
Hello Martijn,

not focussed on fortune telling and based on Vedic principles are inherently contradictory

Hello Anu_d,

In 1997 Ghanshyam Singh Birla wrote in an article titled 'What is Vedic Palmistry?' where he described:

"Palmistry is associated in the minds of many with the notion of prediction. This idea comes from an incomplete understanding of palmistry."

http://www.inlightimes.com/archives/2004/09/palm.htm

And I am aware that Birla has putten quite some of his efforts on studying how the lines and other aspects of the hands change in time; and being aware of the simple fact that so many parameters in the hand may change in time... that could simply explain why not all basics of 'Vedic palmistry' are focussed on prediction.

So actually, I think that there's a clear contradiction ... ... between your statement about Vedic palmistry, and Birla's version of Vedic palmistry - which obviously goes far beyond prediction..

Anu_d, can you please explain WHY you associate Vedic palmistry solely with prediction???

Martijn (admin) wrote:Dear anu_d... I notice that you didn't answer my question - I repeat:

>>> Anu_d, can you please explain WHY you associate Vedic palmistry solely with prediction???

==>>Hello Martijn......did I say SOLELY?
In my first post of Sep 9th I said essentially main objective is predictive?
( unfortunately there is no way to list the post # on this forum unlike PIforums...feedback for you to ponder as future development)


PS. I can inform you that Birla is a higly philosophical oriented man who studied many Vedic writings (including the sanskrit text 'Samudrika Shastra') - and he frequently cites from the Vedic texts to his students. So, it appears to me that your perceived 'contradiction' regarding Birla's work & the Veda's... is probably not based on solid observation.

==>You know Martijn.....I have always said reputations don't matter in a debate...only verifiable facts do.
If Biral says palimistry "is not or should not" be associated with the notion of prediction...than the onus is on HIM to quote a reference from Vedic period scriptures.

We all know the root of hindu/ indian palmistry is Hasta Samudrik shastra, the practise that started in Vedic era of reading past and future from the hands..

Regards---a_D

By the way, two years ago Swiss hand analyst (a student of Richard Unger) made an interesting interview with Birla, the interview is still available at her website:
http://handanalysisonline.com/index-of-hand-markers/interview-replays/ (the 4th interview)

anu_d wrote:

Martijn (admin) wrote:Dear anu_d... I notice that you didn't answer my question - I repeat:

>>> Anu_d, can you please explain WHY you associate Vedic palmistry solely with prediction???

==>>Hello Martijn......did I say SOLELY?
In my first post of Sep 9th I said essentially main objective is predictive?
( unfortunately there is no way to list the post # on this forum unlike PIforums...feedback for you to ponder as future development)

Martijn (admin) wrote:
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Birla has started using the words 'Vedic Palmistry' + 'Hast Jyotish' in his books since 1998... but how many authors have used those words before Birla.


So, it appears the words 'vedic palmistry' + 'hast jyotish'... do not have a long history at all - so it appears to me that Birla might have actually played a significant role in the fact that during the past decade palmists in India have started to use those words!



Anu_d, do you have any idea who actually introduced the words: 'vedic palmistry' & 'hast jyotish'?

Ramann wrote:

Hello Martijn and Anu D

I have to agree to Anu D that vedic schools of Palmisty is more or less marketing gimmick.Pardon if I am exagerrating.
But to the best of my knowledge and belief ,Palmistry in India is still predictive and unlike the western system of schools like Life purpose,Digit analysis etc is still not systematized
Most palmists in India still follow the predictive aspects of Palmistry.
The reason what I believe to be is that more than Palmistry,Vedic Astrology is prevelant in India and vedic astrology has its predictive aspects.Its hard to find a practitioner who is solely a Palmist only in India.Anyone reading horoscpes will surely be interested in Palmistry.But need not be always vice versa.
What I have observed in India is that one well versed in Astrology will have the smattering of Palmistry but not the other way round.Astrology is more rigorous and one need to remember a lot to be effective and to apply the rules.Palmisty comparatively is simpler to Predictive Vedic Astrology.

But some palmists are incredibly accurate even with the predictive aspects of Palmisty and I feel that where Indian palmistry seems somewhat hitting the bulls eye where western palmists ocassionally fail (Here you may argue that western system is not predictive and so the question doesnt arise).The same has been inumerated in K.C.Sen in Hastasamudrika Shastra. as a limitation of western system.The great cheiro has illustrated in his book that he has learnt the basics in India.And Cheiro's methods are predictive too.

Western system is very precise and logical.Indian system defies logic and I am too baffled by some of the accurate readings of Palmists.Indian palmists methods are more intuitive and sometimes logical as well.But surely differs from the westen system of analysis with all its schools of thought.

Regards
Raman

Ramann wrote:

Hello Martijn and Anu D

I have to agree to Anu D that vedic schools of Palmisty is more or less marketing gimmick.Pardon if I am exagerrating.
But to the best of my knowledge and belief ,Palmistry in India is still predictive and unlike the western system of schools like Life purpose,Digit analysis etc is still not systematized
Most palmists in India still follow the predictive aspects of Palmistry.
The reason what I believe to be is that more than Palmistry,Vedic Astrology is prevelant in India and vedic astrology has its predictive aspects.Its hard to find a practitioner who is solely a Palmist only in India.Anyone reading horoscpes will surely be interested in Palmistry.But need not be always vice versa.
What I have observed in India is that one well versed in Astrology will have the smattering of Palmistry but not the other way round.Astrology is more rigorous and one need to remember a lot to be effective and to apply the rules.Palmisty comparatively is simpler to Predictive Vedic Astrology.

But some palmists are incredibly accurate even with the predictive aspects of Palmisty and I feel that where Indian palmistry seems somewhat hitting the bulls eye where western palmists ocassionally fail (Here you may argue that western system is not predictive and so the question doesnt arise).The same has been inumerated in K.C.Sen in Hastasamudrika Shastra. as a limitation of western system.The great cheiro has illustrated in his book that he has learnt the basics in India.And Cheiro's methods are predictive too.

Western system is very precise and logical.Indian system defies logic and I am too baffled by some of the accurate readings of Palmists.Indian palmists methods are more intuitive and sometimes logical as well.But surely differs from the westen system of analysis with all its schools of thought.

Regards
Raman

great-palmist wrote:hi Raman , do you know little bit about astrology ? Your body , marks , signs , skin color , face type , nose style , lips everything is because of planetary effects during the birth on you . Did you know most of the ppl with pointed chin , coarse beards poses character of mars and this also indicates their thumb should be strong , rigid , heart line is branch-less and their birth-chart will be affected by Mars

great-palmist wrote:I would like to give you an example, head line also represents mars , Zodiac sign Aries --- Reason to consider head line for mars is , Aries being first sign rules your head than after Taurus represent below head , , Now lets talk about heart line represented by moon and sign cancer as cancer represent your chest .

Also we know Mars is hot planet and Moon is cool . In case of simian lines where you see they are mixed together , in that case what we see the war between cool and hot planets also moon and mars are friends . So now lets come into prediction part , there is always fight being cool and hot planet so ppl with these type of lines have fight with emotion sometimes they are very cool sometime very hot , but to know which one is more powerful mars or moon we need to see mounts , thumbs .

But being friend they are more goal oriented and they also create Yoga's

great-palmist wrote:Well i feel like you dont have basic knowledge of astrology buddy. But aspect of mars on ascendent gives property of mars. and its not hot and cool planet thing its a basic of astro palmistry that heart line is ruled by moon and head line by mars. Also heart linw ia ruled by cancer sign and head line by aries