III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Regarding this statement from http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.html

It started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.

I'm not aware that scientists even today have "discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence" ??

I still haven't read all these links, but in some of the other DMIT links Martijn posted, I see the reference to dermatoglyphics, but so far didn't see how they actually apply dermatoglyphics in assessing 'multiple intelligence' & putting their work into practise.

Lynn wrote:Regarding this statement from http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.html

It started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.

I'm not aware that scientists even today have "discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence" ??

I still haven't read all these links, but in some of the other DMIT links Martijn posted, I see the reference to dermatoglyphics, but so far didn't see how they actually apply dermatoglyphics in assessing 'multiple intelligence' & putting their work into practise.

Yes Lynn, you're right: the quote is partly true (the relevance of fingerprints)... but also partly nonsense (regarding the aspect of multiple intelligence, which was discovered about 100 years later than 1823 with the example of the dermatoglyphics in Down syndrome).

Regarding your second question:

The large version of the second picture that I presented in my former post presents some answers (but not all answers, I still have to figure out the details myself as well):
http://www.brain-childlearning.com/images/poster.pdf [/color]

Thanks Martijn, I can't read the info about fingerprints in that pdf link, the quality is blurred.

Yes it is only page 5 that I can't read, about the fingerprints.

Thanks Martijn. I already read this info, but am still trying to understand how they apply it in practice & how they tie it in with IQ.

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Lynn, did my answer make sense for you?

Yes, thanks Martijn.

Thanks Martijn for the link, an interesting project.
Manfred

Dear Forum Members

I posted a previous reply to this topic but just now I cannot find it on this site.

Without repeating all of it I cannot see how intelligence derived from the environment can register on the dermatoglyphic pattern. Finger prints are essentially genetic. Intelligence is a combination of heredity and environment (including early childhood which is now proving very important). How do you account for the lack of environmental input in your intelligence assessment?

cheers

Lloyd Hamilton

Hi Lloyd,
You made your original post on the IQ test thread here -
https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t536-try-this-iq-test

Last Summer I presented my own theories on the significance of fingerprints in a class in Taiwan. Now I am struggling to complete a book on the subject (in competition with another book of probably little interest to anyone on this list.) Both books will be finished fairly soon, and certainly before the conference in Kuala Lumpur at the end of July. I do not rely upon the short hand classification of fingerprints but require a much larger number including at least fourteen potential simple loops. While I respect the work done by MME in using the short hand method of recording and classification, I feel much more is needed.

The problem with “intelligence” is first what is meant? Is it some IQ test score, some SAT score, some class ranking? At what age and under what circumstances should it be measured? I have seen studies that make some connections between dermatoglyphic adt angles and intelligence. Other studies may throw these into question. Finding a reliable unitary statistical analysis is ridiculous with current data. Just using the shorthand analyses of fingerprints and the studies done by Kenneth A. Lagerstrom and retired Lt. Col. Oleg Avdeychik, I believe they found that even with allowances for the frequency of fingerprints on various fingers, there are perhaps 7,000 hand variations. When I add all my variations, the figures increase enormously. I believe the MME current data base is something over 100,000. It can be helpful for some questions, but complete intelligence may yet be beyond any of our abilities even if we could agree on some common definition.

However, more important things can be observed than some school boy or girl class ranking. I was impressed by the MME ability to predict when a child might learn to do certain things, and how they might react socially, both very critical to teaching and child development. I was a reading dyslexic and had I not been sent to a private school in England at the age of eight for very intensive teaching, I might never have learned to read. I remember my mother spanking me while in grade school before we went to England because I could not tell the difference between the words they and them. So I deeply appreciate the negative labels that can be hung on children who do not conform to some prescribed way a child is supposed to learn. I was the class dunce even though I could outscore the rest in math. This background and my recovery with intense attention attracted me to what I have learned from hand analyses and the work done by Mary Lai and MME.

The MME approach teaches the parent and the teachers how to approach the child and to understand the child’s problems and motivations and to work with each child. The child is not a tabula rasa, a blank slate. Of course, this approach demands individual attention, something very hard to accomplish in the overcrowded classes we currently face, at least in the United States. (My English school had 13 to 15 boys in a class with three to five teachers a day, five days a week). But with the MME approach, at least the parent can learn to help and find some support for their child who just might not fit the convenient educational mold.

By the way, children do commit suicide and suffer, often silently. So don’t scoff at the problems of children and how this may help, especially if one does not have a better plan to offer and one can't afford to send the child to an English prep school or the equivalent and do not have time to home teach.

Dear Ed,

nice to hear, that your books are finished soon. You know I'm always interested in your reaserchings and writings.

Are there any scripts from Mary available?

With best wishes
Manfred

I have several works from Mary, her conference reports in 2006 and 2010 with all the presentations, some notes and one thin book that is in both English and Chinese. Most of the other work is all in Chinese except for a couple of my papers that are in English and Chinese. When I met Mary in about 2002, she had been developing her program in her own school for about twenty years. She has received support from some major inteligensia in Chinese Dermatoglyphics including the Chairperson of the Chinese Dermatoglypohic Association, and teacher at the Medical School at Shanghai University, .Professor Zhang Haiguo. I have written her, though our translator, about Dr. Lin as I know nothing about him.

Thank you Ed. - We'll see if the future'll bring us some new sources.

Regards
Manfred

Keep it up Mr. Martijin!

We are very anxiously waiting some substantial outcome of your endeavors in this connection. Many others are also following you like me, I think, to know scientifically research based connection between fingers/ fingerprints and brain lobes. I must thank you Mr. Martijin for providing such a nice platform.

and Enjoy!
Parender Sethi