double loops

**jeanette** Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:07 am

I posted this question elsewhere, but I think it might have been the wrong place.
A composite counts as a whorl and also means indecision. Does a double loop also count as a whorl and means indecision too.
Thanks,
Jeanette.

**Sari** Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:12 pm

hi,
I think it depends on how the double loop is formed? I'm not sure what you mean by double loop, but if they are opposite each other, it would cause confusion as in personality being indecisive, but if in the same direction, I think it would show a different meaning, most likely doubling the strength of the loop (and quality) rather than opposing and causing confusion. (does that make sense? or does it sound confusing?) thinking

**jeanette** Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:22 pm

Hi Sari,
It's okay I have found out. I was looking through books trying to find an example and in Ed. Campbell's encyclopedia of Palmistry on page 109 there is information. He says Fitzherbert said it showed a reversal feeling of sexual roles.Jaegers said it showed a subject living in two different worlds, but Hutchinson gave the same meaning as the composite. I have heardly read anything in Ed. Campbell's book, but I think I now should. Thanks for your help.
Jeanette.

Patti Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:16 pm

Hi Jeanette,
The criteria for a whorl is 2 triradii. The FBI uses the term Double Loop and describes it as:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19022/19022-h/19022-h.htm

Within the whorl group, the subclassification type "double loop" is used for extension purposes only. In general classification it is designated by the letter "W".

The double loop consists of two separate loop formations, with two separate and distinct sets of shoulders, and two deltas.

The word "separate," as used here, does not mean unconnected. The two loops may be connected by an appending ridge provided that it does not abut at right angles between the shoulders of the loop formation. The appendage rule for the loop applies also to the double loop. An appendage abutting upon a loop at right angles between the shoulders is considered to spoil the loop, while an appendage which flows off smoothly is considered to leave the recurve intact.

The fact that there must be two separate loop formations eliminates from consideration as a double loop the "S" type core, the interlocking type core, and the formation with one loop inside another.

The loops of a double loop do not have to conform to the requirements of the loop. In other words, no ridge count is necessary.

It is not essential that both sides of a loop be of equal length, nor that the two loops be of the same size. Neither is it material from which side the loops enter.

The distinction between twinned loops and lateral pocket loops made by Henry and adopted by other authors has been abandoned by the Federal Bureau of Investigation because of the difficulty in locating and tracing the loops. Both types have been consolidated under the classification "double loop."

**jeanette** Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:03 pm

Hi Patti,
I would find it very hard understanding all that. I would think it would take a lot of time and thinking. However, thanks very much and maybe I will master it sometime.
Jeanette.

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