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A patented anthropological method for determining the type of temperament using the index finger dermatoglyphics

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A patented anthropological method for determining the type of temperament using the index finger dermatoglyphics

Post  Roosi on Sat May 26, 2012 1:30 am

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Re: A patented anthropological method for determining the type of temperament using the index finger dermatoglyphics

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat May 26, 2012 12:27 pm


Hello Roosi,

While this may look impressive at first sight, it sort of reminds me about DMIT - the Dermatoglyphic Multiple Intelligence Test:
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t431-thumbrule-dmit-iq-test-does-intelligence-correlate-with-fingerprints-dermatoglyphics

The fundamental problems with this Rusian test is that it is constructed based on the so-called 4 temperaments. However, this theory of 'proto-psychology' (based on Hippocrates termperamental model of the human mind) is no longer popular at all - probably because it is sort of an outdated example of early psychology - read more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_temperaments


Sorry, at first sight it looks to me as a rather naieve suggestive construct where combinations of fingerpatterns get associated with theoretical constructs (known as the 4 temperaments) that have not outlived the test of time, see table 1:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moluch.ru%2Farchive%2F36%2F4105%2F


(By the way, a patent only guarantees that the idea was not patented before. However, a patent does not guarantee quality, nor validity. Basically, a patent is only a costly effort to safeguard the rights.)


Roosi, despite my sceptic review... I do would like to thank you for your efforts to present the report.

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Post  zaobhand on Mon May 28, 2012 4:08 am

Hello Roosi,

I'm replying because I feel bit sorry for how your research links have been dismissed just because they do not fit with popular contemporary theories. I have been studying Ayurveda and some TCM, and find the concept of doshas - Pitta, Vata and Kapha, and the 5 element theory, which have some analogies with the humors, to be fascinating. It seems like these researchers have spent many years collecting and analyzing their data. It would have been interesting to contemplate over their results and see whether they make sense, had I known Russian, or had the translations and the images been clearer. Thanks!
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Re: A patented anthropological method for determining the type of temperament using the index finger dermatoglyphics

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon May 28, 2012 9:31 am


Boaz, I'll explain my earlier comment a little bit further:

This is not a scientific research study, in the sense that there is no specific sample of test persons being described at all, and no statistical analysis of data is presented. I think this sort of is a private study... which the author patented & published.

(Again, a patent does not say anything about the validity of the author's conclusions. Because any idea can be patented... just like Ed Campbell patented his theory about fingerprints!!!)

For, this Russian study appears to be a 17 year lasting study performed by a palm reader who tries to describe his observations regarding a (potential) relationship between the fingerprints and personality. But I have no idea how he actually performed his test exactly - because he does not describe how he did it. The author only mentions that he has patented his study (ideas & observations):

"In my opinion, a person, there are three constant. In search of the first one I've spent 17 years of research and called it: constant inherent properties of higher nervous activity (patent № 2011125890/11 of 22.06.2011)."


PS. The authors also does not refer at all to scientific studies which have explored the relationships between fingerprint patterns and personality - see his list of reference.

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Post  zaobhand on Mon May 28, 2012 9:36 am

Martijn,

I'm sorry but I'm not going to be confronting your red fonts any more. I hope you understand. wave
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Re: A patented anthropological method for determining the type of temperament using the index finger dermatoglyphics

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon May 28, 2012 11:16 am

zaobhand wrote:Martijn,

I'm sorry but I'm not going to be confronting your red fonts any more. I hope you understand. wave

Sorry Boaz,

I am not sure how I should 'understand' your words here (not sure what else you are suggesting here beyond the Roosi's topic).

(Don't worry, I have not forgotten your request - I am still in the process of evaluation and making a permanent decision)


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Post  Roosi on Mon May 28, 2012 11:25 am

wave hi

Martijn (admin) wrote:

For, this Russian study appears to be a 17 year lasting study performed by a palm reader who tries to describe his observations regarding a (potential) relationship between the fingerprints and personality.

Hi Martijn, I checked out that he is not a palmist but a psychologist who tries to describe his observations regarding a relationship between the fingerprints and personality.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.planetapsy.ru/psihologi-chelyabinska/vlasov-aleksey-vladimirovich&ei=P1fDT-b-JorF0QWk85mfCg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.planetapsy.ru/psihologi-chelyabinska/vlasov-aleksey-vladimirovich%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns

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Re: A patented anthropological method for determining the type of temperament using the index finger dermatoglyphics

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon May 28, 2012 1:16 pm

Roosi wrote: wave hi

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For, this Russian study appears to be a 17 year lasting study performed by a palm reader who tries to describe his observations regarding a (potential) relationship between the fingerprints and personality.

Hi Martijn, I checked out that he is not a palmist but a psychologist who tries to describe his observations regarding a relationship between the fingerprints and personality.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.planetapsy.ru/psihologi-chelyabinska/vlasov-aleksey-vladimirovich&ei=P1fDT-b-JorF0QWk85mfCg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.planetapsy.ru/psihologi-chelyabinska/vlasov-aleksey-vladimirovich%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns

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Hi Roosi,

Thanks for sharing that. But I wonder, his profile reports:

"Professional interests and areas of work: doing the study of form and pattern in the palm of your hand for 17 years."

And his present study is focussed on the following specific aspect of 'Psihoantropogenetik':

"Component of psycho visual patterns of papillary lines (dermatoglyphics), patent pending (patent application number 2011125890/11 of 22.06.2011)."


Sorry Roosi, I think your info actually confirms my first conclusion: this man is a psychologist who made palm reading his main interest. And I would not be surprized at all when we discover at a later moment that he is involved in researching other aspects of the hands as well.

This is not a researcher who is focussed in fingerprint research solely. For example, in the following article he presents a theory that a man should give a woman a specific type of jewelry... based on the fingerprints of her fingers:

"And now we touch to what piece of jewelry on the basis of the three germ layers, it is necessary to give a woman. If a woman has on the index finger:
- curl-curl - silver jewelry, with natural stones, jewelry, white gold, etc.;
- loop-loop - a variety of jewelry and gold only;
- arc-arc and retrograde versions of ( R ) - silver jewelry, jewelry, white gold, various jewelry, etc."



I think this last example sort of proofs that mister Alexey Vlasov is involved speculative research that does not fit the western description of academic research.

(My own scientific experience made me able to be confident about my earlier conclusion, which I have now substantiated with an example of Alexey Vlasov's other studies. Though I realize that people who cherish spiritual beliefs about jewelry... might simply question the validity of my sceptical observation - however, this could actually explain my point: because I could describe Alexey Vlasov is an 'alternative' scientist who's works should not be recognized as representing the approach of the western academic sciences that we have discussed at this forum many times)


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Post  Roosi on Mon May 28, 2012 2:20 pm

wave Hi Martijn

Thanks for your time and effort

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