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Post  anand_palm on Fri May 17, 2013 4:25 pm


Hi all

I have posted two pictures for which I have some question whether it is a comb or loop, and also would like to know how much triradius is present.

http://i78.servimg.com/u/f78/16/84/41/72/hloop111.jpg
http://i78.servimg.com/u/f78/16/84/41/72/pictur16.jpg

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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  Lynn on Fri May 17, 2013 11:19 pm

hi Anand, I am still catching up with your previous topic. I was on holiday in Turkey when you posted it. I could view the discussion but not the pictures. Since I got home I haven't had time to study the literature and links. Interesting subject, interesting pictures.

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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  anand_palm on Sat May 18, 2013 6:53 am

Hi Lynn

I do have some question regarding the previous topic for which iam not convinced by martijn reply on that the pattern is not a vestige, i have posted two pics for which i would like to know about the pattern on these two pics. Also from my point is that iam able to see that it is a vestige in the the older pics, and in the newer pics also i would like the comments.

In the previous topic i mentioned that pattern is not an arch, nor an open field, but it is a vestige. In additon i have posted additional pictures for which i need to know the pattern.


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http://i78.servimg.com/u/f78/16/84/41/72/hloop111.jpg
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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat May 18, 2013 10:12 am

anand_palm wrote:
Hi all

I have posted two pictures for which I have some question whether it is a comb or loop, and also would like to know how much triradius is present.

http://i78.servimg.com/u/f78/16/84/41/72/hloop111.jpg
http://i78.servimg.com/u/f78/16/84/41/72/pictur16.jpg

Anand

Hi Anand,

Your first example has two triradii (one normal interdigital triradius + an accessory triradius) featured with a 'cusp' [= ridge multiplication]; but there are no looping ridges. Because there are no looping ridges it can not be described as an interdigital 'loop'; however, because there is a normal triradius plus an accessory triradius it can be described as a 'VESTIGIAL LOOP'... because for a vestigial variant of a loop there are no looping ridges required.

Your second example - which you also presented in your earlier topic - has only one triradius (a normal interdigital triradius) featured with a 'cusp'; also no looping ridges. Since there are no looping ridges and there is also no accessory tiradius... in this example the cusp is the only configuration this example can be described as an 'OPEN FIELD', and because cusps tend to follow the general ridge contour they are considered to represent open fields (see: this earlier post of mine).





PS. Anand, regarding a comb: this requires the presence of at least 3 ridges connecting with another ridge at an angle of about 90 degrees (such as seen in the orange configuration in the picture below); but such a characteristics are not present in your two examples.



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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  anand_palm on Sun May 19, 2013 2:03 pm

Hello Martijn

Thanks for the reply, I need to know to which sample are you relating the vestige to
in Fig 3.12 (previous discussion). The link is below

http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t2557p30-is-this-a-comb-pattern-or-no-pattern-in-mercury-mount#27710

Also I was reading the blog which has very good description on vestiges ( the link is below).


http://www.ireadhands.com/blog/dermatoglyphics/vestige




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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun May 19, 2013 9:38 pm


Hi Anand,

Regarding your reference to figure 3.12 in the other discussion, none of those 9 examples are similar to the example which I described as the 'vestigial loop'.


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PS. Please be aware: a 'vestigial loop' is not the same as a 'vestige'.

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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  Felicity Martin on Mon May 20, 2013 3:06 am

From my very limited experience of these patterns, I tend to agree with Martijn... on the original photos there was not sufficient looping to suggest a vestigial loop or comb... I found the whole discussion most helpful and thank all participants and was wondering if there are any indications as to whether there are correlations to traits in the person's personalities.

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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  anand_palm on Mon May 20, 2013 4:31 pm

Hello Felicity,

Since insufficient looping is what makes a loop a vestigial loop, why do you say "not sufficient looping to suggest a vestigial loop or comb"? A comb, by definition does not have any loops at all. Could you let me know In what way do you agree with Martijn?

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Re: Comb or Loop pattern

Post  Felicity Martin on Mon May 20, 2013 11:32 pm

Hi Anand,

In my limited understanding of this area I probably did not word my response very well and can see it was confusing, and I am not well versed in this topic as are all who have responded including you. I was not intending to refer to a loop as in those in memory loops, Rajah loops, loops of seriousness or on dermatoglyphs on fingers, but small loop backs on capillary ridge lines which make up the comb effect... there are often one of two, but in my very fragile understanding of the comb there are more as seen in the photo- 7 or 8 which then combine to form a distinct line at 90C to the general flow of other capillary ridges.

I would be most interested in your insights as to how they can be interpreted, for instance the inference that the bee pattern on the mount of Venus is claimed to influence musical capacity... does the comb or vestigial pattern impact on the psyche of the person?

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Re my last post- and I expect screams of derision and laughter!

Post  Felicity Martin on Tue May 21, 2013 12:15 am

Hi All,
Re my query as to psychological implications for combs, loops etc.... I see papillary ridges as tiny energy streams- serving more than just the function of providing moisture to the hand to facilitate good grip, but as linking functions covered by the qualities of each finger. So the loop between the middle and ring finger is a loop of seriousness, the flow from the dominant finger, as in prenatal development allowing the flow of the quality of that finger to affect the ring finger, influencing art, love of beauty, visual-spacial qualities etc with the need for business outcomes or social reality... in the same way the loop of humour between the Apollo or ring finger giving light to the finger of communication in being able to reframe experience with that little bit of sunshine manifested as good humour... where as, if it is aligned towards the middle finger, a more self involved persona... or also more judgemental in other words, towards the finger of communication or auricular finger- and how appropriate is that- hearing as key to communication- towards more cynicism.

So then I was wondering if those with the comb or vestigial may manifest a blocking of this flow, for instance would someone with a comb between Apollo and Mercury not be able to see the bright side of their conversational tendency, or would one between Jupiter and Saturn fingers accrue wealth through sheer charisma, or be destined not to develop strategies to realise there full potential as opposed to the qualities accredited to the Rajah's loop?

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