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Post  Syn on Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:45 am

I have read hmmmmmm 2 maybe 3 palmistry books, all which I thought were very fascinating but I was never able to find the reason hy I have a fourth phalange on my active hand, its just on my little finger though.....I've heard that it's not a good thing....Can some-one share some thoughts with me please? Thanx....Oh yeah I'm new and this is my 1st post ! :)

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  demoplayer on Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:51 pm

It's supposed to block 'energies' from that finger, and since the little finger is supposed to indicate communication ability, it would imply some impairment in that sector?
However, I don't think any one sign is definite unless there are other signs corroborating that in one or both hands.

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:46 pm

Helly Syn, welcome at this forum!


Regarding your question... I would like to make 5 points:

1 - First I would like to notice that an extra finger crease, does not implicate that there is an extra finger bone as well...! More details are reported in this study: http://www.springerlink.com/content/t31835u33752hg8g/

(So, formally we should probably better speak about an extra interphalangeal crease instead of 4 phalanges)


2 - Second, I can report that an extra finger crease is usually found at the little finger - but the prevalence is not much higher than 1% of the general population.


3 - Third, other fingers can be involved as well!

Lynn Seal - who is also a member of this forum - presents an example of an extra finger crease on multiple fingers, see her website: http://www.handanalysis.co.uk/handanalysis.htm



It appears that regarding the presence of 'extra creases' on multiple fingers[/size] there appears to a connection with:

- increased laxity of the joints (e.g. Larsen Syndrome = a very rare congenital disorder)
- sickle cell disease (= deficiency in red blood cells)

- Alagille syndrome (= complex autosomal dominant multisystem disorder)


4 - Fourth, regarding the presence extra crease on the little finger, there appears to be no reported association with any (specific) medical problem.

Though at an earlier forum a case was reported for a mother of six children with fragile-X syndrome (NOTICE: just like in Larsen syndrome, fragile-X syndrome is known for a high occurence of increased laxity of the joints as well).

And I found a report from a woman who describes that she probably had A.D.D. (Attention Deficit Disorder) during her childhood:

"58. I have four knuckle lines on my left pinky for some strange reason."

"76. I think I had A.D.D. as a child. I’ll never know, no one ever bothered to find out the “why’s”."


Full report made by this woman is available here:

http://abritdifferent.wordpress.com/2005/08/07/my-101/




5 - Finally, in the field of modern hand reading (palmistry) there is no commonly accepted theory about the meaning of the extra finger crease on the little finger (some authors have associated it with extra talents in communication, but other have associated with it with just 'back luck').

So, please be aware that those interpretations in palmistry books (if you can find any) might only have theoretical value.

I hope this info will be helpful for you.

I guess, to be continued...


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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Lynn on Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:17 pm

Thanks for posting link to my site Martijn.

Hi Syn,

To add to what Martijn has written -
-I have had more people of Asian & African descent than Caucasians contact me about these creases. I wonder if it is more common in those countries.
- There could be a genetic aspect, sometimes several members of a family have extra creases.

I have been trying to find out more about extra phalangeal creases for years, but I can confirm that nobody seems to really know much about them. I haven't found a consistent or reliable palmistry interpretation about them. Some palmists say they create a 'block' to the qualities of the finger, some say they add 'something extra', extra skillls or a diversification of the skills in the phalanx where the extra crease is present. NB extra creases are not the same as the horizontal phalangeal markings known as 'blocking lines'. Several of the people who wrote to me with extra creases on little finger actually had jobs involving communication, so it did not seem to create any block to their communication skills, maybe even enhanced them. The little finger is also about relationships too.



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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:39 pm

Hi Lynn,

Regarding your first question:

"I have had more people of Asian & African descent than Caucasians contact me about these creases. I wonder if it is more common in those countries."

The following study from Japan reports normal occurence for the "Extra interphalangeal transverse creases of the little finger" (slightly below 1%):
http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v23/n1/abs/jhg19785a.html


Regarding the meaning of 'extra-' or 'missing-' interphalangeal crease, this study describes the other side of the coin:

"Absence of distal interphalangeal creases of fingers with flexion limitation."
http://jmg.bmj.com/content/13/2/127.abstract


(Though, in Down syndrome the reverse relationship can be observed: as you know Down syndrome is also known for having a high occurence of the single flexion crease on the fifth finger, but hyperextensible finger joints is also common in Down syndrome)


To be continued again...
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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  tap on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:35 pm

Unfortunately this is one example of why I get frustrated while trying to learn about the hands. Having the extra interphalangeal crease on my right mercury finger, you would think I would be able to figure out what it may mean physically or mentally. Genetically there are no other family members that I am aware with this extra crease. In the past, I had a mildly elevated ANA titer, yet still within the normal range. The doctor concluded that stress at the time was more than likely the cause, and I may have had a mild case of fibromyalgia. I am interested in communication and its significance in life, so Lynn’s observation is correct in that aspect. I do not believe I have ADD or ADHD, though at times I can jump from one thing to another. Other times I can be very focused and somewhat obsessive. I feel that can be said about a lot of people. Syn does any of this seem to resonate strongly with you?
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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:02 pm

Hi Tap,

My sister has the characteristics as well, and no other direct family members have it. And in her case, I can only relate it to her relatively 'flexible joints'.

But just like the 'simian line' (which is known for being linked to a wide range of syndromes & medical problems) can quite frequently be observed in perfectly healthy individuals, the same might be true for quite some people who have the extra crease(s).

So, Tap... why did you get frustrated about this topic?


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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  tap on Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:13 pm

Hmmmmm... I guess so many of the interpretations (in various sources) of the hand characteristics can seem to be vague, and no matter which aspect you apply, most of the time it can resonate with a person. Also, I seem to see a lot of variations in the interpretations offered by some. So it can become frustrating to me.
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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:20 pm

tap wrote:Hmmmmm... I guess so many of the interpretations (in various sources) of the hand characteristics can seem to be vague, and no matter which aspect you apply, most of the time it can resonate with a person. Also, I seem to see a lot of variations in the interpretations offered by some. So it can become frustrating to me.

Hi tap,

Thank you for your elaboration, and your attempt to answer my question.

Uhmmm... sorry, I still don't understand what you have in mind exactly.

Is your problem related to understanding for example.... the fact that for example the 'simian line' is linked with Down syndrome, fragile-X syndrome, etc AND on top of that also linked with various behavior problems?

(I could compose a likewise comment - featured with a shorter list of syndromes - for the extra crease on the little finger)

Or is your problem more related to the fact that in the palmistry literature multiple (sometimes conflicting) interpretations are described - without any specified proof/foundation?


PS. In time I have learned to understand the simian line story - see the related section on my website. But I am very aware that in the palmistry literature the theories are usually an implificiation of the complex reality that hand reading really is - unfortunately authors do not always demonstrate any awareness about this.
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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  tap on Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:05 am

Hi Martijn

I guess it is good to figure out why I get frustrated.



Uhmmm... sorry, I still don't understand what you have in mind exactly. Well let’s just say the extra crease may play a role in that. When I ask family members if they think there is anything unusual about my communication they answer no. They do say I tend to ask a lot of questions, so maybe……


Is your problem related to understanding for example.... the fact that for example the 'simian line' is linked with Down syndrome, fragile-X syndrome, etc AND on top of that also linked with various behavior problems? No that is not an issue for me.

(I could compose a likewise comment - featured with a shorter list of syndromes - for the extra crease on the little finger)OK

Or is your problem more related to the fact that in the palmistry literature multiple (sometimes conflicting) interpretations are described - without any specified proof/foundation? Somewhat, yet the books I have read and give the most credence to are written by authors who I believe have specified proof/foundation. Most of the conflicting interpretations I read I am able to reconcile in my mind by understanding that the authors perspective is used in explaining the meaning. So I try to bring the view points to a basic interpretation. Yet, I have looked at hands of people I know well, and sometimes the interpretations I have learned just do not seem correct even when I try to apply the whole hand concept. So, sometimes I feel like the interpretations I have I learned are not correct. I am sure I just need to learn how to put all the features together correctly.



PS. In time I have learned to understand the simian line story - see the related section on my website. But I am very aware that in the palmistry literature the theories are usually an implificiation of the complex reality that hand reading really is - unfortunately authors do not always demonstrate any awareness about this. Yes.



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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:32 am

tap wrote:Hi Martijn

I guess it is good to figure out why I get frustrated.



Uhmmm... sorry, I still don't understand what you have in mind exactly. Well let’s just say the extra crease may play a role in that. When I ask family members if they think there is anything unusual about my communication they answer no. They do say I tend to ask a lot of questions, so maybe……

...

Or is your problem more related to the fact that in the palmistry literature multiple (sometimes conflicting) interpretations are described - without any specified proof/foundation? Somewhat, yet the books I have read and give the most credence to are written by authors who I believe have specified proof/foundation. Most of the conflicting interpretations I read I am able to reconcile in my mind by understanding that the authors perspective is used in explaining the meaning. So I try to bring the view points to a basic interpretation. Yet, I have looked at hands of people I know well, and sometimes the interpretations I have learned just do not seem correct even when I try to apply the whole hand concept. So, sometimes I feel like the interpretations I have I learned are not correct. I am sure I just need to learn how to put all the features together correctly.


Ok tap, thank you for your lastest feedback. Asking a lots of questions might be a very helpfull approach to learn more about people, and hand analysis! And I can confirm that t is probably fair to say that your questions should not be recognized as an 'unusual' characteristic of communication.

And if you can not related to the issue of 'increased flexity of body joints' (remember the photo examples of Marfan's syndrome at the PI forum?), then I guess not of the associated issues of extra finger crease applies to you.

From my point of view, such a conclusion is no big deal at all!

(I have noticed so many times that any theory is definitely not applicable to all people that have the characteristic ... again, one single hand characteristic in isolation - means nothing! So, it indeed always comes to the hand reader's ability to include other relevant hand characteristics in an analysis - which could to EXPLAIN why a theory is not confirmed in an individual, etc.)


Tap, please feel free to continue with sharing your questions - here and/or in other discussions!

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  tap on Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:45 pm

Hi,



I was wondering if anyone thought that this extra crease could allow/or have the person compartmentalize more. If so, I guess on the pinky finger it would have to do with business and/or communication. I am still not sure. Maybe able to see both sides of a situation and be able to separate/section off things into different areas. Not sure because I have some double loops on my fingerprints too, which may do this. Just a thought.

I guess this is what Lynn is referring to. Like Martijn said, it might not mean anything. I guess it depends on the other elements of the hand.

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Wow Thanx for the replies !!

Post  Syn on Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:24 am

First off thank you to everyone that has taken the time to reply to my question. Only after asking a friend the same question did she refer me back to this forum !! lol

Everyone here that replied has there on theories and particular reasons behind them aswel. it seems that it obviously isn't a very RARE thing. I am aware of a cousin that has the same mark in th sme place, whether that gentic or life style related I'm not sure.

Im also under the impression that perhaps an evaluation of the WHOLE palm may rear clearer results?? its seems that focusing on only one aspect would be quite short-sighted if a larger expectation such as mine is sort after.

Tere is a few replies that I can relate to, and some that I don't.

Being that this particular crease is on my little finger.....Indicating somthing to do with communication. I find interesting, because I work with a CallCentre and communication doesn't seem to be a problem, in fact communication on ALL levels is something that I take pride in a find quite natural.

Though, honestly maybe there has been times where I haven't spoken up for myself or haven't exactly said what I mean, but it doesn't seem to be a significant that there would a huge line indicating that there was an enduring problem.

Without being tooo overley...shall I say.OPEN. In dealing with communication...when I was a child I use to see things that weren't visible to other people and watch and hear things that seemed normal to me, but weren't exactly ....shall I say normal?? LOL.. There is a few cases where my family have encountered what people would say....PARANORMAL and I am aware that the cousin who shares simmilar markings on her hand has experinced simillar occurances...But as I mentioned this isn't anything out of the NORM for my family so most likely wouldn't have much relevence considering that NOT EVERYONE in my family have the same of simillar marks on their palm..

But hey in closing , I do appreciate all the comments and suggestions and replies from everyone, And especially my friend who reminded me that I posted a comment on the FORUM !!! Thanks!

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Just thought I'd put my photo of my palm up and see if someone will do a reading

Post  Syn on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:19 pm

This is my right-hand, notice on y little finger the extra crease.....i could possibly put up my other photo if that'll help....Anyway tell me what you think

Thanks



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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Parender on Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:50 pm

Usually every finger has three phalanxes. First is the opposite side of nail another is below it and the third one is adjacent to the palm which is called the base phalanxes. Sometimes there may find four instead of three phalanxes. This does not indicate abnormality in performing voluntary muscle movements, but, it does indicate presence of some characteristic in a person who possesses it. These are quite different from the horizontal lines cutting across the fingers especially on fingertips. It could be hereditary.

This means a psychiatric disorder marked by deficits in communication and social interaction in childhood. The term is sometimes applied, more loosely, to adults who are extremely self-absorbed and who see things in terms of their hopes and fantasies rather than realistically.
Excessive rigidity and emotional detachment could be their hallmark. A tendency to view life in terms of one's own needs and desires. They are more possessive and want all things in their control.

This is truer if the person has thick and padded base third phalanxes on his/her hands. These tell us that the person thinks his own comforts first. In modern terms the person is quite alert and extra smart. Girls, with this mark on their fingers enjoy dates and receive many gifts and enjoy unearned money more than average.

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Four Phalanges-Compendium of Interpretation for everyone's benefit!

Post  astrokid on Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:19 pm

Various Interpretations offered for Four Phalanges on Fingers:

1. Enhanced ability of some kind pertaining to that specific finger and phalange. For example, four phalanges in Mercury (little) finger could mean extra communication skills. But this extra ability might come at the expense of some other aspect since the extra phalange is taking away space from the existing phalange.

2. As per an Astro-Palmist, it could mean extra powers to those planets pertaining to the finger. Verify this by looking at Natal chart and D9 chart.

3. According to an Indian palmist, extra phalange in Saturn finger would mean occult powers. Extra phalange in sun finger would mean lateral thinking capacity.

4. Special Interest in Mathematics and Business.

5. Detail-oriented and list making nature. Tendency to over-explain things.

6. Tendency to identify oneself with 2 distinct cultures with equal ease. But behaving differently with each set of friends from those 2 cultures and the need to spend time with both cultures. Basically a very subdued version of split personality.

7. As per some ancient Indian palmists, extra phalange in Sun finger signifies an extra money line.

8. As per some old Indian palmists, Phalanges signify events in life via counting the number and corresponding to that age in life. Extra phalanges should therefore signify some exceptional event in life (career move, relocation etc) at that age.

9. Indicates dysfunctional family background of some kind (questionable birth, missing one or both parents etc).

10. Physical disorder- i.e. Down’s syndrome.

One could have one or more of the above symptoms due to the presence of extra phalanges.

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Lynn on Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:29 pm

Hi Astrokid, thanks for sending me these interpretations that you've collected from various sources, and thanks for posting them here. Now I see your username, I remember you from PI forum! Welcome to this forum. Thanks!

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:15 pm


Hello Astrokid,

Nice to see you back!


PS. Regarding the last point in your list, Down syndrome is typically featured with features that can be described as 'compressed' manifestations of underdevelopment (seen in both the palm + the fingers). This explains why sometimes one can see only one 'interphalangeal crease' on the pinky finger (usually combined with a short 2nd phalange).

This also explains an why an EXTRA-phalange is not seen in Down syndrome (because that would indicate 'advanced' development - which is not characteristic for the trisomy 21 disorder).

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri May 20, 2011 2:42 am


... just found another clue which confirms that an 'extra transverse digital crease' (ETDC) often is combined with HYPERMOBILITY, because the following study about Marfan syndrome (which is always featured with hypermobility in the hands) also reports the presence of ETDC's:

Palmar Dermatoglyphics in Marfan's Syndrome


PS. The following article includes some photos of ETDC's in Alagille syndrome:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.10628/pdf

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri May 20, 2011 2:49 am


I have just moved this topic to the Multi-Perspective Palm Reading forum, because the 'extra transverse digital creases' concerns a topic that is very suitable to be combined with hand characteristics in other dimensions in order to find a possible diagnosis:

When related syndromes (such as Larsen syndrome, Alagille syndrome & Marfan syndrome) are excluded, then ETDC's can typically indicate:

hyperflexibility of the finger joints (and possibly other body parts).



PS. Joint hypermobility has also been connected with genetic collagen disorders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1717821/pdf/v080p00188.pdf


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Post  tap on Fri May 20, 2011 11:30 am

I have found a few references to this 'extra transverse digital crease' on the 5th finger associated with class II 1q21.1 deletions.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7RKV-506RN8S-1&_user=10&_coverDate=08%2F31%2F2010&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1758457065&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5c85a32b09f53e95e8256e2e1df8e5e9&searchtype=a

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Post  Patti on Fri May 20, 2011 3:35 pm

tap wrote:I have found a few references to this 'extra transverse digital crease' on the 5th finger associated with class II 1q21.1 deletions.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7RKV-506RN8S-1&_user=10&_coverDate=08%2F31%2F2010&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1758457065&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5c85a32b09f53e95e8256e2e1df8e5e9&searchtype=a

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That's interesting Tap!
I found a photo. Thank goodness TAR syndrome is very rare!

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Re: Fourth phalange on my little finger

Post  tap on Fri May 20, 2011 5:11 pm

Hi Patti Very Happy

Thank goodness. The 5th finger crease has been found on people with class II 1q21.1 microdeletions/deletion syndrome. Some of the other health issues associated with it are Clavicular pseudoarthrosis (the collarbone doesn't develop normally), and Anomalous origin of the coronary artery. It is rare. Here are a few more links.

http://www.enotes.com/topic/1q21.1_deletion_syndrome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1q21.1_deletion_syndrome


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Post  sv-b on Fri May 20, 2011 5:26 pm

Hello patti and tap, Smile

Just would like to make some statements on such diagnostic grounds. There is no least absolute can be seen from this kind of diagnostic ideas. This diagnostic values are just equal to how the author of novel give name to the characters of his story. The sad part of diagnosis is that it has the majority of exceptionals. ie., all simian crease individuals are not having genetic disorder -down's syndrome.

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