Research Question for Martijn and other Experts

**GoodPalmist** Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:38 am

Hello Everyone,

I have the following questions:

I read somewhere - can't remember where - that if the triradius on Luna/Moon mount is missing or above its usual position (just above the wrist), it could be an indicator of heart problems.
Is this true ?
Could this also apply to other indications ?
A friend of mine has been steadily losing his eyesight to some disease (can't recall the term) over the last 5-7 years. I met him an hour ago and asked to see his palm.
His head line has a small break (1 mm) under 4D. There is an extra crease (not phalange) on the top segment of his 4D. But most importantly I could not find a triradius ANYWHERE on his Moon Mount. I looked at his palm very closely from all angles to make sure I wasn't missing anything. There was however a very clear 'memory loop' over there.

Could anyone of this be the indicator of his eye problems ?

Thanks,
GP

**Martijn (admin)** Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:31 pm

GoodPalmist wrote:Hello Everyone,

I have the following A friend of mquestions:

I read somewhere - can't remember where - that if the triradius on Luna/Moon mount is missing or above its usual position (just above the wrist), it could be an indicator of heart problems.
1 - Is this true ?
2 - Could this also apply to other indications ?

SHORT ANSWERS:
Ad 1a - For congenital heart disease this is true!!
Ad 2a - But one can not apply this to many other conditions.

Hello GoodPalmist,

Excellent questions!

My LONG ANSWERS are:

Ad 1b - Yes, a 'high AtD angle' has been recognized as a very common characteristic of INBORN heart disease, and of course... there is direct link with what you described as a displaced triradius.

It is quite easy to find studies which have confirmed this result (the first 3 sources below present the full article):
- 1965 study in the UK: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC503351/pdf/brheartj00339-0131.pdf
- 1970 study in the US: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/41/1/49.pdf
- 1973 study in Japan: http://smj.sma.org.sg/1403/1403smj44.pdf
- 1994 study in China: http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-JPXZ199406005.htm

(There are many more studies available!)

But one should be very aware of the following aspects of these studies:
- most of these studies were focussed on specific variants of 'congenetical heart disease'!
- in general results were less significant for variants of 'acquired heart disease'!
- and there are no specific hand characteristics seen in heart disease which are never seen in healthy persons.

This all implicates that one should not interpretate the presence of a 'high positioned triradius' as a reliable marker for heart disease - despite the fact that the statistics are really very significant!

But combining the position of the triradius with other associated hand characteristics could lead to the identification of vulnerabilities; I would recommend to focuss on:
- an analysis of the other palmar dermatoglyphics + fingerprints;
- an analysis of the major palmar lines (check for: simian line, Sydney line + other more unusual major characteristics)
- a digit ratio analysis (high '2D:4D digit ratios' are more sensitive for heart disease)
- and the quality & color of the fingernails (blue color).

Ad 2b - Regarding the eye problem of your friend, one really has know what specific disease is involved. For example: is it an acquired disease? Or maybe a congenital disease?

(I know that there are also study available related to eye problems, but far less than the dozens/hundreds of studies focussed on heart problems)

PICTURE: Example of a palm with a 'high positioned axial triradius' (t'') plus a 'normal axial triradius' (t): Research Question for Martijn and other Experts Axial-fig2

Research Question for Martijn and other Experts Axial-fig2

**GoodPalmist** Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:24 am

Martijn,

Thank you for that elaborate and detailed response. My friend's eye problem has the following features:

1. Began to be noticed around age 35.
2. He cannot see clearly in bright light / sunlight
3. He cannot recognize faces, objects in bright light, he can just see a rough outline.
4. He works on his computer using a huge magnifying software. He can do this only for a few minutes at a time.
5. Some of the world's best consultants (whom he has talked to) have stated that there is no cure - there is some part of the nerves that is damaged.

I'll ask him for the exact medical term.

Thanks again,
GP

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