Your opinion & share...
Latest topics
» White spots on palm
Today at 11:05 am by Lynn

» Palm is blackish
Today at 11:05 am by Lynn

» What Does Broken Life Line Indicate?
Today at 10:45 am by Barira

» Discover Multi-Perspective Palm Reading!
Yesterday at 8:55 pm by Martijn (admin)

» Will I go out of country to work
Yesterday at 7:45 am by amit_plawat

» questions about my education, career and future
Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:09 pm by amit_plawat

» question about the fire skin type
Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:39 pm by nuttyprofessor

» different handsystems, but how to use them
Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:45 am by nuttyprofessor

» Hand of Rahul Gandhi, India
Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:54 am by pravin kumar

» meaning of marks on mounts
Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:19 am by Sandun

» Sensation in Chiromancy, which got own real interpretation as such as Sensibility.
Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:43 pm by Kolomietsing

» Intro to 5 element chirology
Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:15 am by nuttyprofessor

» Request for hand analysis
Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:09 pm by Lynn

» palmistry app
Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:22 pm by nuttyprofessor

» VII - Can Mental Illness be Diagnosed from the Palm?I
Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:23 am by pravin kumar

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Who is online?
In total there are 48 users online :: 2 Registered, 0 Hidden and 46 Guests

Charle Wei, hknmurthy

[ View the whole list ]


Most users ever online was 293 on Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:22 am
Moderators & partners

• Discover the Modern Hand Reading Forum partners:

Would you like to see your website listed?

Modern Hand Reading Forum Partners

Pointing finger: check this out!

Statistics
We have 5166 registered users
The newest registered user is Himanshirawat

Our users have posted a total of 43063 messages in 4270 subjects
Top posting users this week
Lynn
 
amit_plawat
 
pravin kumar
 
Barira
 
Elis
 

Recommendations

• The FREE hand reading services at the Modern Hand Reading Forum are being continued in 2015 with the assistance of Google adsense!


Pointing finger: check this out!



Google+
MAJOR HAND READING SYNONYMS
Palmistry, Palm Reading, Hand Analysis, Chirology & Chiromancy.

Learn how to read hands according the Modern Hand Reading paradigm & you can use this forum as your palm reading guide!

Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  inchoate on Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:11 pm

How are Cheiro's books on Palmistry? And what's his place in the history of great palmists, given the legend and the mystique built around him?
avatar
inchoate

Posts : 33
Join date : 2016-12-24
Age : 22
Location : India

Back to top Go down

Cheiro's work

Post  curious on Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:39 pm

There is much criticism of Cheiro as a palmist though he has done more for Palmistry (by bringing it into prominence as an art worthy of further study), then what any one palmist has been able to do.

The criticism is because Cheiro made his predictions by combining palmistry, numerology, astrology and his own clairvoyant skills. So professional palmists who cannot explain his predictions from his palmistry books alone are left short. It is possible that Cheiro intended his books for the beginner and intermediate palmistry study because even in his books when referring to certain lines he mentions that an entire volume could be written on a specific line when he offers only two pages in his book.

Having said all of the above because of Cheiro's writing style I still find Cheiro books to have been the best starting point for me to develop further knowledge and a good base to return to in case there was no better evidence available.

I think we should not evaluate Cheiro as a palmist alone, but if we can, as a clairvoyant and based on his successful predictions (when he was in the prime of his career) he was second to none.

Some further discussion is here:

http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t39-the-hand-of-cheiro-most-famous-palmist-of-all-times-his-short-life-line-theory?highlight=cheiro


Some discussion on Cheiro's work.

curious

Posts : 65
Join date : 2010-09-17

Back to top Go down

Cheiro Book

Post  nishaghai on Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:27 am

curious wrote:There is much criticism of Cheiro as a palmist though he has done more for Palmistry (by bringing it into prominence as an art worthy of further study), then what any one palmist has been able to do.

The criticism is because Cheiro made his predictions by combining palmistry, numerology, astrology and his own clairvoyant skills. So professional palmists who cannot explain his predictions from his palmistry books alone are left short. It is possible that Cheiro intended his books for the beginner and intermediate palmistry study because even in his books when referring to certain lines he mentions that an entire volume could be written on a specific line when he offers only two pages in his book.

Having said all of the above because of Cheiro's writing style I still find Cheiro books to have been the best starting point for me to develop further knowledge and a good base to return to in case there was no better evidence available.

I think we should not evaluate Cheiro as a palmist alone, but if we can, as a clairvoyant and based on his successful predictions (when he was in the prime of his career) he was second to none.

Some further discussion is here:

http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t39-the-hand-of-cheiro-most-famous-palmist-of-all-times-his-short-life-line-theory?highlight=cheiro


Some discussion on Cheiro's work.
Hi Cheiro was no doubt good but of course as you said he used combination of astrology palmistry numerology . Now what I fee there are many more books with better approach and description and one is of my father Dayayand Verma All the secrets of palmistry read it
Nisha Ghai
avatar
nishaghai

Posts : 615
Join date : 2010-09-15
Age : 57
Location : New Delhi India

http://www.instituteofpalmistry.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  pravin kumar on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:35 am

Cheiro was very good and made the subject of Palmistry very popular. But his readings are difficult to interpret as he often gave intuitive responses.

inchoate wrote:How are Cheiro's books on Palmistry? And what's his place in the history of great palmists, given the legend and the mystique built around him?


P.K.

pravin kumar

Posts : 4081
Join date : 2010-09-30
Age : 69
Location : Bombay

Back to top Go down

Re: Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:28 am

inchoate wrote:How are Cheiro's books on Palmistry? And what's his place in the history of great palmists, given the legend and the mystique built around him?




Even though Cheiro (William John Warner's alias) is today known as probably the most well-known figure in the history of palmistry and despite the fact that many (old fashioned) palmists around the world praise his work, there are actually various (objective) arguments available which provide a solid basis today for describing Cheiro's work not as a recommendation:


1 - Generally, Cheiro's books receive quite a lot of poor user ratings and for some of his books the average user rating can be recognized to be well below the average rating in the field of palmistry. I say this being ware that average user rating for all sorts of books combined is at the rather large Amazon.com and GoodReads.com close to 4,00 (NOTICE: a score below 3.00 should already be recognized to represent a typical score for the poorest performing books in any field).

In february 2017 the average score for Cheiro's most well-known books are:

• Cheiro's Guide To The Hand: 3.67 (Amazon.com: 3,9 / 6, GoodReads.com: 3,63 / 32)
• Palmistry: The Language of The Hand: 3,76 (Amazon.com: 4.3 / 6, GoodReads.com: 3.72 / 79 )
• Cheiro's Palmistry for All: 3.71 (Amazon.com: 3.5 / 2, GoodReads.com: 3.72 / 67)

This suggests that the average score for his most well-known books is only 3,726, which is clearly far below the assumed average score of 4,00.

More details are available in the Palmistry books TOP 100 project.


2 - Cheiro was convicted for fraud in 1909 (that is at the age of 43, only 15 years after he presented his first book on palmistry): this 1909 newspaper describes how Cheiro got himself into serious troubles with the law involving multiple complaints - he was convicted for financial fraud (on old ladies, he was caught in London after he was fled from France hoping not to get caught); the report also describes that there were 'other complaints' on him:

Source: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/28870892/


3 - After his conviction Cheiro tried to re-start his career as a palmist with little success; later he claimed that he has lost his 'gift' in 1906:

"Cheiro claimed that he never understood his unique gifts, and he is believed to have lost those in 1906.[citation needed] One charge of mis-handling of a client's money resulted in his being imprisoned. Some accounts of his later life say that after his release from prison, he retained neither his money nor his friends, with his once rich and powerful acquaintances ceasing to want anything to do with him."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheiro#Death


4 - An illustration for the nature of Cheiro's (rather superstitious) work is illustrated by the simple fact that he talked at lot about 'death' + doom and gloom... of course, usually combined with statements in terms of 'success' + money. Therefore Cheiro's work should be recognized belonging to the so-called predictive oriented branch of palmistry... which preceded the so-called personality oriented branch of palmistry that became much more popular today.

Suggestion for further reading: Cheiro's theory involving the life line!


5 - Once might even wonder about Cheiro's dedication for the field of palmistry, because over half of his books involving completely different subjects (involving astrology, numerology & other forms of divination); only 6 out 14 titles (about 43%) of his books involve the subject of palmistry.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheiro#Bibliography


Dear inchoate, thanks for asking!

Thanks!


Cheiro's handprint:



Last edited by Martijn (admin) on Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:15 pm; edited 2 times in total

___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist in The Netherlands (Holland)
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network
avatar
Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts : 5197
Join date : 2010-07-23
Location : The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  learner on Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:33 pm

Great Information Martijn.

Thanks !

learner

Posts : 1069
Join date : 2012-12-24

Back to top Go down

Re: Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:02 pm

Thanks!

___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist in The Netherlands (Holland)
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network
avatar
Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts : 5197
Join date : 2010-07-23
Location : The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:59 pm



Here's a january 7, 1909 article describing all details involving the fraud conducted by Cheiro:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1909/01/07/page/1/article/festive-noble-a-fugitive


FESTIVE "NOBLE" A FUGITIVE

'Count' Hamon, Alias 'Cheiro the Palmist,' Quits Paris Quickly.

WOMEN ALLEGE HUGE FRAUD

Editor, Social Leader, and Matrimonial Agent Badly in Hole.

PARIS, Jan. 6 (1909) "Count" Louis Hamon formerly known in America and Europe as "Cheiro, the Palmist," and before that as plain John Warner, is a fugitive from France tonight, and the entire American and English colony is discussing one of the most meteoric and mysterious careers which ever dazzled Parisian society.

Hamon is charged with embezzlement and his sumptuous offices, where he edited a newspaper called the American Register and conducted a bank and other enterprises to which Americans loaned capital, are empty, scores of creditors having descended on them and seized everything.

Women Allege Big Fraud.

The complainants against Hamon are Mrs. Julia P. Newell and Miss Josephine Pomeroy, formerly of New York, but now residents of Paris, who declare that they turned over to Hamon stocks of the market value of $500,000, on which Hamon agreed to raise a loan through London banks of $150,000. They allege, however, that Hamon neither negotiated the loans nor returned the stocks, in consequence of which they began a criminal action against the Hamon bank.

An examining magistrate opened an investigation, after which, according Hamond's secretary, Hamon, learning that a warrant was about to be issued for his arrest, left for London. The secretary also asserted that the women had intrusted their money to Hamon for the purchase of strocks, but the deals had resulted in heavy losses owing to a break in the market. He declared that Hamon owed the women only $7,000.

Even Ran Matrimonial Bureau.

Since he arrived in Paris in 1902, when the transformed himself from "Cheiro, the Palmist" to "Count Hamon," Hamon had easy access to society. One of his special friends was a man known as "Abbe de la Fresnaye," whose scholarly and agreeable manner secured for him entry into the most exclusive circles.

It was the "Abbe" who presented Hamon everywhere and introduced him to Mrs. Newell and many others, with whom later he had business dealings. There are reports that Hamon and friends, as the result of their high connection, were able to "arrange" many marriages among people of high standing in the Anglo-American colony.

Everybody talked of the mysterious "Count" Hamon, his dashing manner, this beautiful apartments, his horses, his vast business ventures, including a pretentious champagne enterprise near Rheims, from which he supplied many of the high class restaurants in Paris, and of his bank and his society paper, advertised to the world by big electric letters which helped to illuminate them in the gay place de l'Opera.

Source of Title Not Known.

But Hamon's life before he cam to Paris was a great mystery. It was known that he had been "Cheiro, the Palmist," who it was said had acquired vast sums of money in England and America, but how he had acquired the title of "count" as not known, nor did that fact cause much anxiety.

Hamon now is penniless, according his secretary, who further stated that he had lost $60,000 in recent operations, and that he had been trying to pay all his creditors, including Mrs. Newell and Miss Pomeroy.

Their case, however, it is said, does not come under the jurisdiction of the French laws, as the negotiations have been entirely placed in England, from which country Hamon is determined to defend himself.

BAGAN PALMIST CAREER HERE.

Cheiro started his  career as a palmist in Chicago. He came to the city well heralded by a never sleeping press agent, and soon began to coin money. He fitted up extensive apartments in the Auditorium, and before long had a constant stream of gullible women pouring into his dimly mystical reception rooms, all anxious to give hum $5 for the purpose of having the lines in their hands read by the dark faced fakir.

He broke into society in a way and often was the lion of the afternoon receptions and club meetings. He claimed to be Hindoo or Egyptian, as the mood seized him, but as a matter of fact he is an Irishman.

He claimed he acquired the art of seeing into the future through being hypnotized in India by the Brahmin priests and buried for forty days in tiger skin. When he survived this terrible test, he said, the Brahmins made him a miracle worker. All of which his dupes took for gospel.

Tour of the "Easy Money Beit."

When Chicago was pretty well plucked Cheiro started to swing around what is known as "the easy money belt," finally landing in New York.

During his residence there he amassed what was believed to have been a fortune of many thousands of dollars, collected for the most parts from society women in exchange for reading the past, present, and future on their finely lined palms. Women prominent in social circles flocked to the office of Cheiro, and he received $5 for half an hour's palm reading.

Book Runs for Ten Editions.

This was only one source of his income. He issued several books on palmistry, and one of them ran for ten editions. Cheiro claimed to have read the hands of at least one president of the United States and those of many other notables.

As nearly as can be learned Cheiro came to this country as a member of Wilson Barrett's theatrical company when that actor made his first trip to America. Then Cheiro was known as John Warner, which probably is his real name. He had too strong a personality to suit Wilson Barrett, and was dropped. In casting about for something to do, Warner decided upon palmistry.


___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist in The Netherlands (Holland)
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network
avatar
Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts : 5197
Join date : 2010-07-23
Location : The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:28 pm


And here's the may 7, 1909 report involving his conviction (sentence: 13 monts of prison + 500 francs):

PALMIST IS CONVICTED.

'Cheiro, Alias Count Hamon, Sentenced .'In Paris. "

Paris, May 7.(1909)

Count Louis Hamon, better known In New York as "Cheiro the Palmist," has been sentenced to thirteen months' imprisonment and ordered to pay 'a fine of 500 francs in restitution to Count Festetics of sums of which he had swindled the Hungarian nobleman amounting ' to nearly $200,000. '.

Cheiro, who was originally a servant in a Belfast hotel and whose real name Is Warner, was sentenced by default. He left Paris for London abruptly ' on Christmas" eve, when he learned that a warrant for his arrest was about to be issued at the instance of two American women, Miss Pomeroy and her sister, from whom ne naa obtained bonds and stocks valued at nearly $90,000.

Cheiro and his associates succeeded in settling this case; but Count Festetics Insisted upon prosecuting." Other complaints against him are still to be heard, and the police hope to secure, his extradition, Cheiro some years ago had a tremendous vogue in New York as a palmist. He published books on the subject, which increased his reputation.


Source: The Courier-News from Bridgewater, New Jersey · Page 8


Shorter report:

""Count" Louis Hamon, better known
as "Cheiro, the palmist," has been
sentenced to 13 months' imprisonment
in Paris and has been ordered to make
restitution to Count Festetics of Hungary
of nearly $200,000, the proceeds
of an alleged swindle. Cheiro, who is
supposed to bo in London, some years
ago was a palmist in Chicago."


Source: The Chautauqua News


___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist in The Netherlands (Holland)
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network
avatar
Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts : 5197
Join date : 2010-07-23
Location : The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Cheiro's books + how he got caught on fraud in 1909!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:11 pm


Two other reports from 2010 reported about Cheiro's bankruptcy:


CHEIRO, THE PALMIST, SHORT. Charlatan of International Activity in London Bankruptcy Court.

London, Oct. 6 (1910). The London Court of Bankruptcy has examined the affairs of "Count" Louis Hamon, palmist, journalist, financier and the former owner of the American Register of Paris. His liabilities were found to be $60000 and his assets io. Hamon is known to many Americans as Cheiro, the Palmist.

At one time he was sentenced in France to serve a term of thirteen months in prison, pay a fini of 500 francs and make restitution to Count Festetics whom, it was alleged, he swindled out of $200,000.

He had great Success as a palmist n London. He was discovered by Oscar Wilde, and when, he went to new York with the names of well-known Englishmen as sponsors and established himself at a prominent hotel he was consulted by hundreds of women. The rich and fashion able had him at their home for private readings and made him a fea ture of entertainments. He returned to London about seven years ago richer, it is said, by about $200,000. - Afterward he blossomed out in Paris as "Count Hamon."

From 1905 to 1907 he carried on a financial business under the style of Hamon & Co. American clients alleged that he had unlawfully retained possession of stock which they had given him to negotiate. A meeting of his creditors was held in London last" month and it was then stated by the receiver that all the assets he could find were ten shares of a registered, company of $1 each.


Source: The Chanute Daily Tribune from Chanute, Kansas · Page 2


September 24, 2010

London comes news of the bankruptcy of '"Cheiro," the palmist, who after squander ing a fortune of more than a million, is said to be worth only fifty dol lars, with debts aggregating - nearly $250,000..

Cheiro, whose real name Is Jack Warner, had bis first lessons in palmistry from Oscar Wilde.

He made' rapid progress, however, and following a brief practice among the British' aristocracy came to this country. - In New York he posed as an adept In Indian magic, and after familiarizing himself with the family skeletons of many of Gotham's millionaires, succeeded in amassing a fortune. Wealthy women who went to him to have their palms read, disclosed to him the secrets of their private Urea, After accumulating $200,000 as the result of his New York experience, he went back to London and. soon became ' the fad there once more."

Warner's work in the British metropolis soon attracted the attention of Scotland Yard and then he transferred himself to France. . In Paris he made the acquaintance pt a man calling himself King of Sedango and Hamon, two small islands near the Malay Peninsula. The "King" was an adventurer who had himself proclaimed king of the remote islands in question. '

This King gave "Cheiro" the title of Count Hamon, and the latter founded the financial house of Hamon & Co., in Paris. He was prosecuted in the courts for retaining possession of stocks and bonds, and fled to London.

There his old - time wizardry failed him and his creditors drove him to the walL 1 Warner's career is a dazzling illustration of the game of humbug. He had begun life as a page In a hotel, and, although millions have passed through his hands he is said to' be as poor today as when he, ran arrjinaitry.


Source: The Scranton Truth from Scranton, Pennsylvania · Page 6



NOTICE: Other newspaper reports featuring Cheiro can be found here, but it appears that there is not much more reported about his fraud & various convictions:
https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=%22Cheiro%2C+the+palmist%22&offset=112/color]


(Please be aware of the following: we can read here that in 2012 Cheiro presented his 'memoirs' about 2 years after he completed the process involving his conviction and 'journey' in prison; one can wonder about how much of his reports are true... because the man was obviously broke and broken, he tried to start a new life as a palmist but it never got off the ground again after his conviction; the report describing that he had finished his memoirs in 1912 is available here: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/33340066/

The book 'Cheiro's Memoirs' is available online here:
http://www.iapsop.com/ssoc/1912__cheiro___cheiros_memoirs.pdf )

___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist in The Netherlands (Holland)
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network
avatar
Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts : 5197
Join date : 2010-07-23
Location : The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum