homosexuality in the hands - test :)

Hello patti

I looked at the website, probably birth order makes an impact. it looks like environment does not play a role, but birth order has an effect, but then if external factors or surrounding does not play a role, then what factors in hand should play a role.

So according to the study younger brother has a chance

iam just wondering whether Y chromosome plays a role when repeated again to reproduce, because in sister, sister it does not seem. Or probably a certain combination of Y with others. whether the reptition of Y can be captured in hands

Confuses me

Boaz

i will read ur artcile, lot of artciles are published because of push and for publicationand money sake. rather more commerliazed.
Anand

Hello everyone,

First up, congratulations to Patti and Zaobhand, who picked the correct pair of hands.

But big kudos as well to everyone else who participated! Thank you all for taking part in this. It takes a lot of courage to stick one's neck out like that, when there is a 3 in 1 chance to "be wrong" in public. I was fascinated by the responses and realize now that they show much more than simply the expertise of the reader. It's made me aware of how strongly our own experience (and perhaps culture) colors our perception as readers: out of the two readers who got it right, one said she personally knows a few people who are gay, the other made a comment that makes me think the same is the case.

I chose the other two pairs of hands because I thought they represented some more stereotypical features of homosexuality - please accept my apologies if anyone feels I have mislead them on purpose with this. I'll respond with some feedback individually in a little while, just a bit more work to do first ...

Thank you Kiwi this definitely brought us some insights into different perspectives! I'm looking forward to reading your responses and the descriptions of these three men!!

Same here Kiwi, creative and thought provoking. Patti's reply showed deep understanding. I followed her cue and my own intuition of a certain indulging elegance about the hands.

In a strange sort of way of calculating this - together we got the right answer? Wasn't that a topic here a while back.

Look at it from the angle of the ones we all said "no" to.

1) 4 no
2) 4 no
3) 3 no (the least no's)

Patti wrote:In a strange sort of way of calculating this - together we got the right answer? Wasn't that a topic here a while back.

Look at it from the angle of the ones we all said "no" to.

1) 4 no
2) 4 no
3) 3 no (the least no's)

Hehee, yes Patti, so true!

Ramann wrote:No 2....

Hi Ramann, sorry I completely overlooked your reply the first time! Please see my response to Parender for some feedback on your guess.

Hi Kiran,

thanks for having a go at this! I have inserted some feedback below:

Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi Kiwi,
I go with 1.
IN THE LEFT HAND:

A line called as cramp line, which is a floating line below headline at the end of it. This indicates not so good relationship with mother, which gets reflected in relationship with women, in general.

Look at the line of fate coming from upper 3rd mount of moon and replacing the exisitng line of fate. This is also coming in from a cross. This indicates quite an eccentric and independent way of life.

The line of head and life are not joined.

As far as I know his relationship with his mum is pretty normal, apart from the fact that she pushed him pretty hard to succeed in school and make proper use of his intellect. He does have an "eccentric and independent way of life", as you say, with unusual choices regarding his work. Goes his own way in everything and doesn't really care what people will think of him.

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

RIGHT HAND:

The line of fate(main) is coming with a loop in it. Confusion, indecisions over the course of direction in life.
The Mercury finger standing out. Quite independent thinking style.
The line of fate coming from upper 3rd mount of moon and it is very strong and is replacing the existing line of fate.This indicates quite an eccentric and independent way of life.

He is quite young (early twenties) and indeed hasn't found a focused direction for his life yet. His way of thinking is unique and certainly independent. Although you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him, appears like a regular guy with nothing eccentric about him.

Thanks Patti for sharing your thoughts not only on your prime candidate but the others as well! Feedback below:

Patti wrote:This is a tough one!

The #1 guy has feminine traits and expresses himself intellectually. But, I don't think he is gay.

Yes, along with the eccentric fate line pointed out by Kiran, the femininity and intellectual touch were the reasons I chose these hands. He is not effeminate as such, but very gentle, softly spoken, a cruisy, go-with-the-flow kind of guy. Lovely to be around. It's a shame skin texture can't be captured in photos: he has the softest, silkiest hands I have ever touched. Unusual in a guy. Highly intelligent and seems to know how everything works. Even if he doesn't know, he can tell you such a convincing story that you think he's an expert. (Not in a deceitful way - I just asked him for fun, a few times, what he thought about this or that, and he came up with solutions ad hoc to questions I had pondered for ages!)

Patti wrote:
Number 2 is animated and seems to be 'flitty' or restless in his personality. His straightish lifeline is one of the few disciplinary or grounding factors. I wondered why you added this poor quality image. It throws the test a little. If he's the one then it's because it was the best photo you had of the only sample. hehe or did you do it just to confuse us! He has a dark colored spot on his life line in his youth about 15 or 16 in the left hand under index finger. Adolescence is the time a person may realize their choice of sexuality isn't acceptable. Hmmm. Last night I was all for this one being the one. But, honestly, I'm not sure about his choice.

Yes, he's restless, with an amazing amount of energy. Had a difficult childhood and youth, which is where that spot may come from.

Patti wrote:
And 3. Very male. Most likely very attractive. He has strong inner and outer walls on his life line in his left hand during his teenage years while the life line itself fades away. Deliberate facades. Hiding real self. His right hand's life line is amazingly smooth. Shouldn't represent gay, but does represent an outer appearance of an easy life (if he's right handed) It's odd for the outer life line to be so smooth and the inner to literally be missing in the same age period.

I pick # 3.

Very impressive! Your pointing out of the visible "facades" and hiding the real self as the strongest indicator is very insightful. Although he is not "very male", he is quite attractive indeed, big eyes, elegant, always well-groomed. Interesting what you say about "an outer appearance of an easy life", this is the case. He is not in my closer circle of friends, so I can't comment on how hard his life really is, but he certainly makes is look quite effortless.

Thanks for your contribution Sethi!

Parender wrote:Hand is broad, red and rough enough denote sensuality sex-mindedness and the person will be interested and will practice in unnatural vices to satisfy his unsatisfied sexual appetite. His boundless energy wants outlet. He is less sensitive about others as a line reducing the space between the two major lines. Red spots on the palm show irregular behavior. GOV increases the sensitiveness in a person who has a psychic and conic hand. \
Sethi

You correctly picked up on number 2's "sex-mindedness" and sensuality. These features were the main reason why I included him, as this is commonly seen as a trait of gay people. I was a bit cheeky of me to lead everyone astray with this! You are also right about his boundless energy. However, he practices no "unnatural vices" and is entirely monogamous. Can't confirm any "irregular behavior" either - on the contrary, he is very successful and well-regarded in a job where he has a lot of responsibility, leads people and interacts with powerful officials.

Lynn wrote:Sorry to be a spoilsport but I'm not even going to attempt this 'test' :-) I'm not aware of anything that really shows sexual orientation in the hands.
I don't agree with some of the comments here e.g. associating 'eccentric' or 'unnatural vices' with being gay.

does number 2 have some health problem? The hand looks as if there is toxicity in his system eg medication, smoking/alcohol, etc etc, also that hollow in the centre of the palm. Or is it just the scan that makes it appear so red & mottled.

Hi Lynn, thanks for chipping in! I'm not aware of any health problem in number 2, but he is under a lot of pressure in his job. Carries a huge amount of responsibility. You may be right about the toxicity though - he is just trying give up smoking, used to be a heavy smoker.

Anand, thank you for offering your opinion! You were on the right track with your guess of 50% number 3.

anand_palm wrote:What confuses me for # 3 is that is right hand shows loops (raja, serious), by naure he has charm. but left hand does not, which can show there is one nature more domnant than the other so probably he tends to being more manly and also his fire hand nature adds to that. I dont know where i read but a difference in dermatoglyphics between both hands can add towars tendency of homosexuality. iam not sure where.

Thanks
Anand

He does have a lot of charm by nature! He deals with lots of people through his job, and apparently has all the ladies wrapped around his little finger. They all adore him.

Thank you Kiwi. This is a wonder discussion here!

Hi Kiwi,

kiwihands wrote:It's a shame skin texture can't be captured in photos

I get to hear this comment often.
Even if you have 5MP camera you can capture skin texture. Just put it in the close-up or portrait mode.

Patti wrote:

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:This is a tough one!

The #1 guy has feminine traits

What are feminine trait indicators in this hand Patti?

If you were to line up hands in a wide spectrum from very masculine to very feminine there would be a middle group that would be more difficult to discern if they are male/female from a general perspective. (not studying/comparing individual features) #1 would be in the middle group leaning on the male side.

You mean - just by look & feel of the hand you felt so. Is it?

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:This is a tough one!

The #1 guy has feminine traits

What are feminine trait indicators in this hand Patti?

If you were to line up hands in a wide spectrum from very masculine to very feminine there would be a middle group that would be more difficult to discern if they are male/female from a general perspective. (not studying/comparing individual features) #1 would be in the middle group leaning on the male side.

You mean - just by look & feel of the hand you felt so. Is it?

Look, couldn't feel

Hello Kiwihands

First of all, a good test for palmist, learners.

Patti, Congrats , honeslty i knew you have a great chance of obtaining the correct answer, i guess boaz reversed after you had mentioned #3, . hope boaz doesnt take my comment seriuosly, just a friendly comment.

I have question for patti, looking at the difference in palmar prints between the left and right hand is what me made think three is a 50% chance, do you think that would be right approach. Now that kiwihands had given the answer it makes me think whether that could make an impact.

Thanks
Anand

Thanks again Kiwi!!

anand_palm wrote:Hello Kiwihands

First of all, a good test for palmist, learners.

Patti, Congrats , honeslty i knew you have a great chance of obtaining the correct answer, i guess boaz reversed after you had mentioned #3, . hope boaz doesnt take my comment seriuosly, just a friendly comment.

I have question for patti, looking at the difference in palmar prints between the left and right hand is what me made think three is a 50% chance, do you think that would be right approach. Now that kiwihands had given the answer it makes me think whether that could make an impact.

Thanks
Anand

Hi Anand, It really wasn't that easy even though I have read many people from all walks of life. I was second guessing myself right up till the answer was given. I wasn't looking for deviant behavior or irregular features. I was looking for normal features that were repressed.

A 50% chance is pretty neutral.

You mentioned you read on Martijn's pages about this, perhaps he can share his resources or references with you on that topic.

Hello Patti

I guess you are modest about your capabilities. Actually i read in richard unger website and then i had sent the research link which i mentioned in this discussion. I suppose the research used difference in fingerprints, iam not sure whether they used palmar. i guessed using palmar prints differences. Suprisingly it correlated. But there could be some clues based on that.

Anand

anand_palm wrote:
Patti, Congrats , honeslty i knew you have a great chance of obtaining the correct answer, i guess boaz reversed after you had mentioned #3, . hope boaz doesnt take my comment seriuosly, just a friendly comment.

Hi Anand, no reversal. I was straightforward about what I know and don't know. I'm straight but I do have a few gay friends and acquaintances, so intuition may have kicked in as Kiwi has suggested. I am a beginner to hand reading so no need to compare. It was sheer luck. Friendly yours.

Patti wrote:

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:This is a tough one!

The #1 guy has feminine traits

What are feminine trait indicators in this hand Patti?

If you were to line up hands in a wide spectrum from very masculine to very feminine there would be a middle group that would be more difficult to discern if they are male/female from a general perspective. (not studying/comparing individual features) #1 would be in the middle group leaning on the male side.

You mean - just by look & feel of the hand you felt so. Is it?

Look, couldn't feel

Study of the Texture and Color of the Skin Matters.


Practically whenever we start to analyze hands; we first of all take the hands of the client in our hands and feel the surface of the palms. If we are doing analysis on on-line then clear pictures will do the purpose of touching it and this is perhaps the first and essential part of our analysis because the quality appearance of the skin surface denotes major basic characteristics of a person. It denotes a person’s overall receptivity. In fact, the skin texture is the starting point of hand analysis. You can count the ‘amount of ridges per unit size’ there too. Finer skin has more and coarser skin has less.

There are many types of skin quality like damp or moist, thick or thin skin; ‘silky skin’, finer or coarse/rough skin etc. The ‘amount of ridges per unit size’ would not change. The study of the texture of the skin matters. It, in fact elaborates the central nervous system. We can assume that how the person in question will respond to his/her surroundings.

Your palm skin inclines you to particular activities and to a particular environment. In this way, according to Johny Finchman, as a general rule, by the law of average the fine skin is most frequently found on women’s hands or on the palms of the persons who does finer, brainy office work and on the contrary coarser patterns found on men’s palms. Coarser skin also tends to be found on the hands where there’s a more physical connection to the world whether the person is male or female.

By feminine trait I naturally mean who show greater sensory perception and receptivity. These persons want to be busy, gives quick response to stimulus. They naturally show interest in the subtlety areas, submissive, acutely sensitive to moods, temperature, pain, atmosphere and touch; also physically, to foodstuffs and to refine tastes and much of the time are aristocrat.

I think considering the pink color, fine lines and finer skin of the palm; Patti mentioned the guy possesses feminine traits in him. However, you will find many degrees of texture between the silk type and coarser type palms. With a coarser skin or widely-spaced skin ridges a person will have the lesser the sensory perception, receptivity and lesser the present of refined tastes.


With a little practice one can be able to spot to establish skin ridge density from a quick touch or looking at good picture. Hand reading is a practice, not a theory. You need to reinforce what you learn as soon as possible. Just like learning a language, palmistry is very much an idiom of signs and indications which requires regular reinforcement. There are four stages of learning inclination, interest efficiency and then power. I have no doubt that Patti has power in this regard. Enjoy!

Sethi Parender.

hi Parender, I see from your above post that you have Johnny Fincham's book

Hi Lynn,

You are welcome! Thanks for your light remark.
No, I do not have Johny Finchm’s book. But, I will love to have one. Whatever I have written or write or mention here or anywhere is from my experiences and from my notes and this is not even the five percent of what I have written on texture and color. As you know my notes are based on countless sources. The point is I believe in the school. Much had been written on the topic or subject much before even Johny Finchm was born! This is a continuous process. I am an Indian and here are so many Gurus to teach you. I also teach. I have dedicated my whole life in this field. Now, at this juncture I have my own notions, beliefs and contemplation. Enjoy!