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Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
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Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
What would be the explanation of top phalanx bent towards sun finger.
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
It is something to do with integrity - of words, time, commitment, guilt feeling, not been aligned to the rules, regulations of society etc.
Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Nice henna art!
In her posture, is there anything unusual about her shoulders? Does she tend to lean forward a lot in her work, especially head and neck? Do her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck?
In her posture, is there anything unusual about her shoulders? Does she tend to lean forward a lot in her work, especially head and neck? Do her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck?

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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Hi Patti,Patti wrote:Nice henna art!
In her posture, is there anything unusual about her shoulders? Does she tend to lean forward a lot in her work, especially head and neck? Do her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck?
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you said the similar things for the bent 1st phalange of thumb, if I remember right.
Do you associate this with any finger 1st phalange bends?
Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
It depends on many factors. For example, in this case, her first phalange of the thumb is quite shorter comparing to the second phalange; so she has not sufficient will and determination to carry out her plans or ideas independently besides having all the calmness and reason. The major thing is the thumb is set high so the grade of intelligence is also not of highest quality and less adaptability she has. This shows stubbornness in her nature. Stiff thumb denotes stiff mind. Stubbornness can bring frustration if you have no power. The Mercury finger is low set so there could be great chances of abandonment.
She is not emotional type. Yes, she will love as truly as any of course, but the man must be able to support to her. If he is not then problem and sorrow will arise in relationship. So, this bend here denotes the person is not fully convinced about good future. I call the middle finger the “balance wheel”. A balance wheel must not have a bend. Restrictive powers will influence her. She will have to live a more compromised life with less compatibility unless solutions are found to the problems. As lines on the palms of the hands are not visible I can’t say much.
Patti is right in a lady’s case her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck, she is an artist but in a man’s case he walks with head high. He is a successful business person but have not satisfactorily compatibility with his wife.
She is not emotional type. Yes, she will love as truly as any of course, but the man must be able to support to her. If he is not then problem and sorrow will arise in relationship. So, this bend here denotes the person is not fully convinced about good future. I call the middle finger the “balance wheel”. A balance wheel must not have a bend. Restrictive powers will influence her. She will have to live a more compromised life with less compatibility unless solutions are found to the problems. As lines on the palms of the hands are not visible I can’t say much.
Patti is right in a lady’s case her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck, she is an artist but in a man’s case he walks with head high. He is a successful business person but have not satisfactorily compatibility with his wife.
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Kiran.Katawa wrote:Hi Patti,Patti wrote:Nice henna art!
In her posture, is there anything unusual about her shoulders? Does she tend to lean forward a lot in her work, especially head and neck? Do her shoulders strongly slope down from the neck?
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you said the similar things for the bent 1st phalange of thumb, if I remember right.
Do you associate this with any finger 1st phalange bends?
Not any finger, I associate the thumb with head and upper neck, index with neck and middle with upper shoulders and shoulder blade area.
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Two possible thoughts
Hi all,
Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.
Underneath the henna I believe I can see nicely sloping heart lines in her palms, hinting of a physical approach in her relationships. I see her as being quite a spontaneous, emotional person myself.
It's nice to be visiting the forum!
Sue
Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.
Underneath the henna I believe I can see nicely sloping heart lines in her palms, hinting of a physical approach in her relationships. I see her as being quite a spontaneous, emotional person myself.
It's nice to be visiting the forum!
Sue
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Sucom wrote:Hi all,
Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.
Underneath the henna I believe I can see nicely sloping heart lines in her palms, hinting of a physical approach in her relationships. I see her as being quite a spontaneous, emotional person myself.
It's nice to be visiting the forum!
Sue


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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Interesting perspective Sue!
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Hi Sue, nice to see you back here.Sucom wrote:Hi all,
Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.
Sue
I remember you writing similar things a long back in this forum on the bending Saturn finger.
You have nicely put the the influence of Apollo finger energy on Saturn (enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration).
However, Saturn finger has lost its straightness. Can you please share your thots on that?
Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Boaz, nice to see you also back on the forum. Was just wondering where did you disappear from past 1 weekzaobhand wrote:Interesting perspective Sue!

Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Hi Kiran,
Thanks for your message. I do follow the threads and enjoy reading your posts. It has been busy recently... at work trying to be more productive and also it is summer here, so I tend to spend more time outside. I guess I'm also letting things settle.. I'm still not feeling entirely the same as before about this forum as a fun and supportive place for explorations of the hand..
Thanks for your message. I do follow the threads and enjoy reading your posts. It has been busy recently... at work trying to be more productive and also it is summer here, so I tend to spend more time outside. I guess I'm also letting things settle.. I'm still not feeling entirely the same as before about this forum as a fun and supportive place for explorations of the hand..
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Okay. For a while, it was out of my mind! I can understand Boaz.zaobhand wrote:Hi Kiran,
Thanks for your message. I do follow the threads and enjoy reading your posts. It has been busy recently... at work trying to be more productive and also it is summer here, so I tend to spend more time outside. I guess I'm also letting things settle.. I'm still not feeling entirely the same as before about this forum as a fun and supportive place for explorations of the hand..
Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
In the culture where I was raised, you are taught that one of the worst traits to have is to be a "sucker". I don't want to add gasoline to the fire, but it felt like building a castle in the sand only to be wiped off by a "brute". While the process is important and all things, especially a castle in the sand, are somewhat ephemeral, I would have been careful not to have allowed it to happen again and channeled my creativity and enthusiasm through a different outlet.
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Patti wrote:Sucom wrote:Hi all,
Two possible thoughts come to mind about these quite strongly bending middle fingers. The first is that this lady leans heavily towards the creative side of her nature or enjoys quiet reflection, stillness, listening to her intuition possibly or reaching within for inspiration. The other possibility is that she enjoys closeness with others. Or maybe even both of these apply.
Underneath the henna I believe I can see nicely sloping heart lines in her palms, hinting of a physical approach in her relationships. I see her as being quite a spontaneous, emotional person myself.
It's nice to be visiting the forum!
Sue
Hi Sue!! Nice to see you!
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Hi Kiran and Boaz 
Thanks for your comments
My first thought to your question is, 'has Saturn lost its straightness or has Saturn gained its curve to Apollo?' I'm not saying this is necessarily the case but must first offer my initial response. As I see it, If we talk about 'losing' something, it immediately sets a negative scene which may condition any further thought about its possible meaning. While it's true that I am likely to take a positive stance whenever possible, I also feel that perhaps a neutral starting point is the best option.
I'm interested in learning how you yourself view this curve because I know there are other suggested interpretations of this particular feature. Do you have any thoughts?

Thanks for your comments

My first thought to your question is, 'has Saturn lost its straightness or has Saturn gained its curve to Apollo?' I'm not saying this is necessarily the case but must first offer my initial response. As I see it, If we talk about 'losing' something, it immediately sets a negative scene which may condition any further thought about its possible meaning. While it's true that I am likely to take a positive stance whenever possible, I also feel that perhaps a neutral starting point is the best option.
I'm interested in learning how you yourself view this curve because I know there are other suggested interpretations of this particular feature. Do you have any thoughts?
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Thank you Sue for getting back on the queries. Looking at your signature, I was wondering if you would come back only in July and miss out on these points!Sucom wrote:Hi Kiran and Boaz
Thanks for your comments![]()
My first thought to your question is, 'has Saturn lost its straightness or has Saturn gained its curve to Apollo?' I'm not saying this is necessarily the case but must first offer my initial response. As I see it, If we talk about 'losing' something, it immediately sets a negative scene which may condition any further thought about its possible meaning. While it's true that I am likely to take a positive stance whenever possible, I also feel that perhaps a neutral starting point is the best option.
I'm interested in learning how you yourself view this curve because I know there are other suggested interpretations of this particular feature. Do you have any thoughts?
Regarding - "has Saturn lost its straightness or has Saturn gained its curve to Apollo?" :
In either case, Saturn has lost its straightness. There should be some influence of Apollo and that's why it has taken a bent towards Apollo and not towards Jupiter. Pls correct me if my understanding is wrong. A possibility I could think of, after reading your qtn is, to check the apex of Saturn finger. If the apex is centrally located and the finger bends towards Apollo(whose apex is centrally located too), it might indicate that there is an influence of Apollo on Saturn. Again, this my logic. Haven't read anywhere.
Regarding the curving of the finger itself: The qualities of Saturn aren't set straight. So, there might be issues with timeliness, commitment, keeping one's words, integrity, guilty, not willing to adapt to system and processes, not able to complete the tasks, not being responsible etc.
I would like to your your opinion on these.
Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Hi Kiran
You raise some interesting points, all of which could be possible interpretations of a curving Saturn finger bearing in mind the qualities associated with Saturn.
However, on a personal note, I have this feature in both hands. My Saturn fingers don't curve wildly to Apollo but there is a definite hint there! From the interpretations you have mentioned, if I try to be extremely honest with myself, I would say that none of them apply to me. In fact, I would go completely the opposite of your descriptions. Being on time is EXTREMELY important to me - I'm a little picky about people who don't turn up on time,
.
I have always said 'if you can't be true to yourself, who can you be true to, so integrity is something I value highly. Also, committment issues are not a problem for me - There has to be something very wrong for me to let go of something.
From another perspective, creativity, reflection, listening inwardly, and being aware of the inner chanelling which allows inspiration to come through are all things I tend to be very aware of in daily life, possibly because I'm a classical musician where I spend hours in quiet solitude allowing inner energy to flow and during these times, my awareness of this process is quite literally extremely high, especially after an hour or two where it really does begin to flow! Also, I spend a lot of my time teaching others how to turn music into a language and for this, I rely totally on inspiration from within.
This actually has been a major part of my life since I was very young so it doesn't surprise me to find my Saturn and Apollo fingers leaning towards each other so noticeably. In fact, I would go so far as to say that allowing this creative energy flow IS my life purpose. Without this, from my point of view, there would be no life. I have always identified with the words of the song 'Music' where the lyrics say, 'To live without my music would be impossible to do. In this world of trouble, my music pulls me through'.
Sorry to talk on such a personal note but I'm trying to demonstrate how, for me at least, this leaning Saturn finger portrays itself. In no way am I advocating that this will apply in every case - I'm just one person amongst literally millions who are likely to have this feature. But it does cause me to take a careful approach with any possible interpretation.
And I think this is possibly why I prefer to take a positive stance on this feature rather than a 'what might I have lost' stance. To me, it's very much a gain, and certainly not a loss.
You raise some interesting points, all of which could be possible interpretations of a curving Saturn finger bearing in mind the qualities associated with Saturn.
However, on a personal note, I have this feature in both hands. My Saturn fingers don't curve wildly to Apollo but there is a definite hint there! From the interpretations you have mentioned, if I try to be extremely honest with myself, I would say that none of them apply to me. In fact, I would go completely the opposite of your descriptions. Being on time is EXTREMELY important to me - I'm a little picky about people who don't turn up on time,

I have always said 'if you can't be true to yourself, who can you be true to, so integrity is something I value highly. Also, committment issues are not a problem for me - There has to be something very wrong for me to let go of something.
From another perspective, creativity, reflection, listening inwardly, and being aware of the inner chanelling which allows inspiration to come through are all things I tend to be very aware of in daily life, possibly because I'm a classical musician where I spend hours in quiet solitude allowing inner energy to flow and during these times, my awareness of this process is quite literally extremely high, especially after an hour or two where it really does begin to flow! Also, I spend a lot of my time teaching others how to turn music into a language and for this, I rely totally on inspiration from within.
This actually has been a major part of my life since I was very young so it doesn't surprise me to find my Saturn and Apollo fingers leaning towards each other so noticeably. In fact, I would go so far as to say that allowing this creative energy flow IS my life purpose. Without this, from my point of view, there would be no life. I have always identified with the words of the song 'Music' where the lyrics say, 'To live without my music would be impossible to do. In this world of trouble, my music pulls me through'.
Sorry to talk on such a personal note but I'm trying to demonstrate how, for me at least, this leaning Saturn finger portrays itself. In no way am I advocating that this will apply in every case - I'm just one person amongst literally millions who are likely to have this feature. But it does cause me to take a careful approach with any possible interpretation.
And I think this is possibly why I prefer to take a positive stance on this feature rather than a 'what might I have lost' stance. To me, it's very much a gain, and certainly not a loss.
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Sucom wrote:... In no way am I advocating that this will apply in every case - I'm just one person amongst literally millions who are likely to have this feature. But it does cause me to take a careful approach with any possible interpretation.
...
Yes Sue, we are definitely talking about a feature that is found in the hands of literally millions of people. And yes, a careful approach should - as usual - be taken with any interpretation.
However, I think it requires a more precise study of this feature in order to make any step ahead - because the angle involved in this condition (technically one can speak of 'third finger ulnar clinodactyly') should be recognized as essential here.
- First of all, one should be aware that clinodactyly in general is a fairly common hand condition - it is often described as being observed in about 10% of people. Though it is known to be observed most often in the 5th finger (in 90% of the cases):
http://childrenshospital.org/clinicalservices/Site1168/Documents/Clinodactyly.web.pdf
- 'Ulnar clinodactyly' of the 3rd finger is actually the most common variant of clinodactyly in the third finger (radial clinodactyly of the 3rd finger is much more rare); and if one includes the condition of 'mild clinodactyly' - with probably about 5 to 15 degrees deformity involved then we should be aware that we are talking about a hand feature that is commonly observed among people.
Back to Samz's example:
Since it does not qualify for 'severe clinodactyly' (> 30 degrees), and only the left hand would qualify for 'moderate clinodactly' I would first of all propose to inform him that the hand featured involved in his observation should better not be described as 'strange' (as this is how Samz described it).
And as we know from experience that 'hand signs' only rarely point in the direction of a single personal quality... I think any discussion here should better not get focused on just a single interpretation.
(In this perspective I am happy to see that Parender started discussing this feature in the perspective of other hand features of the female involved)

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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Hi Martijn
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about my posts and for giving some of them the thumbs up. To be honest, I wasn’t really looking for your verification but was very casually throwing some thoughts into the bag for consideration.
It goes without saying that I admire any tangible results found from scientific study but you know, the scientific approach to study is NOT what originally attracted me, or what continues to attract me, to hand reading. In fact, I might go as far to say that an approach which is overly scientific might actually push me away from the whole idea. It is so restrictive on so many levels! I believe our hands reflect us as individuals in mind, body and spirit. The three cannot be separated and yet science so often ‘appears’ to attempt to make this separation. I may be wrong about this but all I can say is that it gives me this impression, rightly or wrongly.
For example, if I get a strong feeling that my daughter will phone me, and then I answer my phone to find it is her, which aspect of science will prove this? And if it cannot be proven, does this mean that a ‘knowing’ about something doesn’t exist?
One of my preferred method of learning, apart from observing proven statistics, is to throw ideas around and listen to other people throwing ideas around. Also, I would like to be able to use my hand reading skills for the purpose of offering help to others at least during this lifetime. The restrictive scientific process may or may not catch up but I have a feeling I’ll be long gone by the time ‘knowing’ or intuition is scientifically proven!
If facing a client who is struggling with some aspect of life, would they want to hear me talk to them about the statistics of clinodctyly and that no proven interpretation has been found or would they prefer me to mention that I, and others hand readers, have found the very same feature in other hands which was helped by this idea or that idea? If they can identify with what I and others have found, this may allow further conversation that may then help them around their problem. I have always found palmistry to be a counselling tool as much as anything. I’m over simplifying this, naturally, but real clients are real people and they like to talk to real people about real aspects of life. Most people don’t know what clinodactyly is but they will be able to recognise a finger that leans one way or another.
Obviously, it goes without saying that the more accurate an interpretation, the better. But an equally important and enjoyable way to lead to this discovery is, for me, through casual banter and discussion because it is during such times that someone might offer just one word or just one sentence that leads me to extra understanding.
I have only visited this forum on the very odd occasion so was not really aware that casual chat and discussion was not really on the agenda. I feel far more comfortable speaking freely, allowing my thoughts to go this way and that until true understanding flows. I would find it far too tedious to first have to work out accurate statistics before I let any new thought or idea flow. That would be far too laborious for me. And also, it's just not me or my style, so I apologise for that.
As you know, I very much admire your scientific methods to raise hand reading to its deserved level of acceptance so please don’t take my words the wrong way because there is enough room for everything in this world – for science, for intuition, for healing, for different routes to knowledge, methods of communication, and so on. We are all unique – that’s the beauty and fascination of hand reading!
Obviously I cannot ignore my own experience – to do so would be foolhardy. Also I cannot ignore any other already proven facts. The best way forward, then, is to combine the two. I find that works great for me!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about my posts and for giving some of them the thumbs up. To be honest, I wasn’t really looking for your verification but was very casually throwing some thoughts into the bag for consideration.
It goes without saying that I admire any tangible results found from scientific study but you know, the scientific approach to study is NOT what originally attracted me, or what continues to attract me, to hand reading. In fact, I might go as far to say that an approach which is overly scientific might actually push me away from the whole idea. It is so restrictive on so many levels! I believe our hands reflect us as individuals in mind, body and spirit. The three cannot be separated and yet science so often ‘appears’ to attempt to make this separation. I may be wrong about this but all I can say is that it gives me this impression, rightly or wrongly.
For example, if I get a strong feeling that my daughter will phone me, and then I answer my phone to find it is her, which aspect of science will prove this? And if it cannot be proven, does this mean that a ‘knowing’ about something doesn’t exist?
One of my preferred method of learning, apart from observing proven statistics, is to throw ideas around and listen to other people throwing ideas around. Also, I would like to be able to use my hand reading skills for the purpose of offering help to others at least during this lifetime. The restrictive scientific process may or may not catch up but I have a feeling I’ll be long gone by the time ‘knowing’ or intuition is scientifically proven!
If facing a client who is struggling with some aspect of life, would they want to hear me talk to them about the statistics of clinodctyly and that no proven interpretation has been found or would they prefer me to mention that I, and others hand readers, have found the very same feature in other hands which was helped by this idea or that idea? If they can identify with what I and others have found, this may allow further conversation that may then help them around their problem. I have always found palmistry to be a counselling tool as much as anything. I’m over simplifying this, naturally, but real clients are real people and they like to talk to real people about real aspects of life. Most people don’t know what clinodactyly is but they will be able to recognise a finger that leans one way or another.
Obviously, it goes without saying that the more accurate an interpretation, the better. But an equally important and enjoyable way to lead to this discovery is, for me, through casual banter and discussion because it is during such times that someone might offer just one word or just one sentence that leads me to extra understanding.
I have only visited this forum on the very odd occasion so was not really aware that casual chat and discussion was not really on the agenda. I feel far more comfortable speaking freely, allowing my thoughts to go this way and that until true understanding flows. I would find it far too tedious to first have to work out accurate statistics before I let any new thought or idea flow. That would be far too laborious for me. And also, it's just not me or my style, so I apologise for that.
As you know, I very much admire your scientific methods to raise hand reading to its deserved level of acceptance so please don’t take my words the wrong way because there is enough room for everything in this world – for science, for intuition, for healing, for different routes to knowledge, methods of communication, and so on. We are all unique – that’s the beauty and fascination of hand reading!
Obviously I cannot ignore my own experience – to do so would be foolhardy. Also I cannot ignore any other already proven facts. The best way forward, then, is to combine the two. I find that works great for me!
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Sucom wrote:...
I have only visited this forum on the very odd occasion so was not really aware that casual chat and discussion was not really on the agenda. I feel far more comfortable speaking freely, allowing my thoughts to go this way and that until true understanding flows. I would find it far too tedious to first have to work out accurate statistics before I let any new thought or idea flow. That would be far too laborious for me. And also, it's just not me or my style, so I apologise for that.
...
Hi Sue,
At this forum there is no agenda at all: every member is free to add thoughts, ideas & observations - within the available forum structure of course. Even 'chatting' inside the discussions became never really an issue.
Nevertheless, though over the years I have developed a strong preference to focus my ideas on solid ground (info)... I have never made it a requirement in any discussion at this forum at all.
Basically, after I notice considerable disagreement between you and Kiran about how to interpret the nature of a bent middle finger (in terms of: positive vs. negative, gain vs. loss, etc.), I decided to introduce a few considerations from a much wider perspective (with much more detailed consideration regarding the exact details seen in Samz's example).
Not sure why you wanted to make it look like as if there is some kind of an agenda involved here. Anway, don't worry Sue... no big deal, maybe I misunderstood the intend behind your words?
PS. For a proper understand of the nature of this issue regarding the middle finger, I think it is interesting (and maybe even necessary) to become aware of the 'rich perspective' known for a likewise problem with the little finger:
The troubles with pinkies
"Clinically, a bending or curvature of the finger in the plane of the palm is described as clinodactyly, a word derived from the Greek kliner, “to bend,” and dactylos, “a finger.” A flexion deformity at the proximal interphalangeal joint is known as camptodactyly from the Greek “bent finger.” Only rarely do both abnormalities occur at the distal interphalangeal joint, a deformity first described by J. Kirner in 1927 and now named after him."
This article also makes various references to the palmistry literatures (e.g. mentioning the works of Cheiro, Gettings).
"Burke has subdivided clinodactyly into four categories:
1 - Familial with a dominant inheritance not usually associated with other abnormalities.
2 - Associated with other congenital abnormalities, as in the 60 or more syndromes.
3 - Involving injuries to the growth plate, physical or thermal, most commonly juvenile rheumatoid disease and, in northern climates, frostbite ((Figure33). Frostbite clinodactyly. In northern climates, subclinical frostbite in children's hands is not uncommon but is frequently misdiagnosed. Irregular and premature closure of the distal phalanx epiphysis is sometimes accompanied by middle phalangeal closure, (more ...)
4 - In a thumb with three phalanges."
(I realize that personal preferences can always be justified within certain limits, but one could wonder whether an approach based on personal preference will stand the test of time. I think it is obvious that the field of hand reading sort of desperately 'needs' innovations to be build on solid ground... in order to survive the endless, growing debates about the many contradictions, inconsistencies & arbitrary concepts that have entered the palmistry literature over time. William Blake wrote about how 'to see a world in a grain of sand', some palmists cherish likewise ideas regarding the hand... and yes, mixing philosophy with science can sometimes produce fascinating results. However, the human mind is also flexible enough to create a delusion, to cherish it, and to keep it alive through subjective validation. Searching for inspiration is 'fun', searching for validity is a 'quest'. Nobody was asked to make any choice.)
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Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Thank you Sue for he detailed reply. First of all, I feel good that you have written the things from a personal stand point. This helps many of us here to relate to the hand features. Its a practical example of life style for certain feature of the hands. So, its very valuable. Hence, no need to feel sorry.Sucom wrote:Hi Kiran
You raise some interesting points, all of which could be possible interpretations of a curving Saturn finger bearing in mind the qualities associated with Saturn.
However, on a personal note, I have this feature in both hands. My Saturn fingers don't curve wildly to Apollo but there is a definite hint there! From the interpretations you have mentioned, if I try to be extremely honest with myself, I would say that none of them apply to me. In fact, I would go completely the opposite of your descriptions. Being on time is EXTREMELY important to me - I'm a little picky about people who don't turn up on time,.
I have always said 'if you can't be true to yourself, who can you be true to, so integrity is something I value highly. Also, commitment issues are not a problem for me - There has to be something very wrong for me to let go of something.
Sorry to talk on such a personal note but I'm trying to demonstrate how, for me at least, this leaning Saturn finger portrays itself. In no way am I advocating that this will apply in every case - I'm just one person amongst literally millions who are likely to have this feature. But it does cause me to take a careful approach with any possible interpretation.
And I think this is possibly why I prefer to take a positive stance on this feature rather than a 'what might I have lost' stance. To me, it's very much a gain, and certainly not a loss.
Back to main discussion: First of all you're saying that its not highly bent. And 2ndly, I amn't saying that ALL the features would be present. But, any of those things will be the part of the readee's life style. When you say - "Being on time is EXTREMELY important to me - I'm a little picky about people who don't turn up on time", is it putting you on being compulsive about the rules and regulations which you have defined?
I understand that we have to take a positive stance of everything. Its like ACCEPTING what is in us. Its like - the BLIND SPOT(Its in me and I don't know about it) has become now a BRIGHT SPOT(Its in me and I know about it). Since, you're aware of it, you're using it for the good.
The description you have give w.r.t. the influence of the Apollo on Saturn is for the first time I read it so positively. Its not written like this in, to quote a few examples - in the books of Johnny, Jennifer, sources of Richard Unger. But, whatever you have written makes so much sense.
With my own experience, I have found, my understandings to be true every time. Last week I found a case, who had a severe bent and who said - "She carries a feeling that 'coz of her, her parents got divorced or quarreled" till now!!
B.t.w. have you verified about the positive stand point with others who have this bent Saturn?
I am sure, you would have verified. about it. How has been the response?
Re: Strange bend of top planx of middle finger. Experts please?
Wonderfully written Sue. I have found answers to some of my own haunting questions in this posting of yours.Sucom wrote:Hi Martijn
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about my posts and for giving some of them the thumbs up. To be honest, I wasn’t really looking for your verification but was very casually throwing some thoughts into the bag for consideration.
It goes without saying that I admire any tangible results found from scientific study but you know, the scientific approach to study is NOT what originally attracted me, or what continues to attract me, to hand reading. In fact, I might go as far to say that an approach which is overly scientific might actually push me away from the whole idea. It is so restrictive on so many levels! I believe our hands reflect us as individuals in mind, body and spirit. The three cannot be separated and yet science so often ‘appears’ to attempt to make this separation. I may be wrong about this but all I can say is that it gives me this impression, rightly or wrongly.
For example, if I get a strong feeling that my daughter will phone me, and then I answer my phone to find it is her, which aspect of science will prove this? And if it cannot be proven, does this mean that a ‘knowing’ about something doesn’t exist?
One of my preferred method of learning, apart from observing proven statistics, is to throw ideas around and listen to other people throwing ideas around. Also, I would like to be able to use my hand reading skills for the purpose of offering help to others at least during this lifetime. The restrictive scientific process may or may not catch up but I have a feeling I’ll be long gone by the time ‘knowing’ or intuition is scientifically proven!
If facing a client who is struggling with some aspect of life, would they want to hear me talk to them about the statistics of clinodctyly and that no proven interpretation has been found or would they prefer me to mention that I, and others hand readers, have found the very same feature in other hands which was helped by this idea or that idea? If they can identify with what I and others have found, this may allow further conversation that may then help them around their problem. I have always found palmistry to be a counselling tool as much as anything. I’m over simplifying this, naturally, but real clients are real people and they like to talk to real people about real aspects of life. Most people don’t know what clinodactyly is but they will be able to recognise a finger that leans one way or another.
Obviously, it goes without saying that the more accurate an interpretation, the better. But an equally important and enjoyable way to lead to this discovery is, for me, through casual banter and discussion because it is during such times that someone might offer just one word or just one sentence that leads me to extra understanding.
I have only visited this forum on the very odd occasion so was not really aware that casual chat and discussion was not really on the agenda. I feel far more comfortable speaking freely, allowing my thoughts to go this way and that until true understanding flows. I would find it far too tedious to first have to work out accurate statistics before I let any new thought or idea flow. That would be far too laborious for me. And also, it's just not me or my style, so I apologise for that.
As you know, I very much admire your scientific methods to raise hand reading to its deserved level of acceptance so please don’t take my words the wrong way because there is enough room for everything in this world – for science, for intuition, for healing, for different routes to knowledge, methods of communication, and so on. We are all unique – that’s the beauty and fascination of hand reading!
Obviously I cannot ignore my own experience – to do so would be foolhardy. Also I cannot ignore any other already proven facts. The best way forward, then, is to combine the two. I find that works great for me!

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