How to discriminate a simian crease from a Sydney line and a Suwon crease!

Patti wrote:Hi GM,
I think the BOD stands for Board of Directors in Richard Unger or Pamelah's system.

The Suwon actually is the 'merging' or meeting of two major creases. A head line meeting the heart line with an additional head line below. The official description is II + III with Accessory II (Head line + Heart line w/Accessory Head line. The II + III is the description for transversing creases, Simian, Suwon and Sydney)

You will find a number of discussions here where people have uploaded their hands that have this formation along with the discussions about how it relates to their lives.

The Korean researchers who identified and named it relate it to strong hand grip.

GM(Ghulam MURTAZA) wrote:

Patti wrote:Hi GM,
I think the BOD stands for Board of Directors in Richard Unger or Pamelah's system.

The Suwon actually is the 'merging' or meeting of two major creases. A head line meeting the heart line with an additional head line below. The official description is II + III with Accessory II (Head line + Heart line w/Accessory Head line. The II + III is the description for transversing creases, Simian, Suwon and Sydney)

You will find a number of discussions here where people have uploaded their hands that have this formation along with the discussions about how it relates to their lives.

The Korean researchers who identified and named it relate it to strong hand grip.

Patti thanks.Getting more insight from this forums and your website.

Martijn (admin) wrote:
PS. GM's association with the BOD line... sort of provides a clue why a Suwon crease can not cross the life line (nor head line). Because otherwise it becomes impossible to describe the difference between the Suwon crease (rare) and the (common) BOD line.

Parender wrote:Hi GM,

This is the simple way to understand it. Suwon crease can easily be recognized by the combination of a heart line with an 'extra line' that is strong enough to be called as another ‘major palmar crease’ and it should also be possible to be recognized as a second or supportive head line. And this combination should cross almost the full palm. This may look like a Heart Line with a big fork on mount of Jupiter under the index finger. It is directed from the radial side toward the ulnar side. Remember ‘Suwon crease’ is not simply an 'extended heart line'. Enjoy!

Parender Sethi

Martijn (admin) wrote:

Parender wrote:Hi GM,

This is the simple way to understand it. Suwon crease can easily be recognized by the combination of a heart line with an 'extra line' that is strong enough to be called as another ‘major palmar crease’ and it should also be possible to be recognized as a second or supportive head line. And this combination should cross almost the full palm. This may look like a Heart Line with a big fork on mount of Jupiter under the index finger. It is directed from the radial side toward the ulnar side. Remember ‘Suwon crease’ is not simply an 'extended heart line'. Enjoy!

Parender Sethi

Yes Parender, I like your description (though the line combination with heart line should cross the full palm clearly... so 'almost' crossing the palm is not enough).

Parender wrote:
You are right Martijn. I must thank you for your comment. It’s my pleasure that you liked my description. I have edited the post and made the description more appropriate by deleting the word ‘almost’ from there in the post. Thanks.

Parender

rajashri wrote:

rajashri wrote:
rajashri wrote:
To,
Martijn,

I do not know about the Sydney and the Suwon lines, but I could shed some light on the Simian line by personal experience. TRUE and PSEUDO are scientific terms for naming and convenience which is important. But these terms do not make either of them inferior or superior. the True Simian indicates its function by birth and the so- called Pseudo Simian has formed at a particular period of the person's life. But both the meanings are same. All highly spiritual people have this line either by birth or the Heart line joins the Head line at a later date when they are called for a single Life purpose. Once these two lines merge, their past activities are meaningless.

rajashri

Martijn (admin) wrote:Hello rajashri,

I agree that both variants (TRUE/PSEUDO) represent likewise meaningfulness, and I agree that both variants should not get associated with 'inferior' or 'superior'.

However, both variants represent an inborn characteristic (only some of the details might fluctuate during a life time, but this will vary from person to person).

Finally... sorry, I think it is quite unlikely that any type of simian/Sydney/Suwon line respresents any connection with 'spirituality'.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 


Hello Martijn,

First of all thanks for your reply to my post......Yes, I agree, that these lines do not represent any connection to spirituality. When I wrote this comment, I was not aware of many sides of this particular line or  rather I misinterpreted impatiently without doing a bit of research. I am extremely sorry about that.
I did know one thing at that time many hardcore spirituals have them, as I have seen in the hand of a Swami in India who is part of a spiritual organization for the last 30 yrs and a couple of photos of 2 more sannyasis (renunciates) who have a single purpose in this life. I had read about people having an extreme evil mentality as their life purpose also to possess one. It is very kind of you to have pointed this error .

I found this following link to be very helpful :
http://godgivenglyphs.com/blog/simian-lines-august-2011/ ......this is 80- 90 % true in my case.

I just found your topic on SImian lines a few minutes back ( which happened to disappear when I tried to search for it long time back or probably I did not search it hard ) , that is also quite informative. Basically, one gets the correct information only when one is ready for it !

The info above from the link is very close to Johnny Fincham's viewpoint. I am very grateful to the information given by him about Simian Lines, Headline (straight and curved ) , fingerprints, dermatoglyphics on palm areas, Sun line, Fateline etc. The entire book was worth it !
(esp Simian lines ). I am not sure if Vedic palmistry  mentions about Simian lines in details. Or I guess it is found more commonly than it was in ancient times.
My LATEST personal opinion  on Simian Lines :
The presence of this very line in my hand has pushed me into the study of palmistry. I have been on and off searching vainly for information on this line since 5 years. I have a  neat pseudo -simian in my right hand (active) and my left hand has a long multi- splited Heart line, Two of which cross the Ring of Solomon  ending at the top of Jupiter mount and other two bend downwards, one of them touching the Headline.
Life is very tough for the owner's of Simian lines. The presence of this line can make the owner feel terribly overwhelmed at times. Communication being the main source of difficulty. There is a feeling of 'Aloneness' (not loneliness ), which I guess even a political leader faces, where you do not find anyone with whom you can communicate at your own level.
Advantages : I do not know about people having other goals. But when you have a spiritual goal this line is favorable. Because of communication problems one has to be Self- reliant which is one of the most important factors required to pursue your goal, God being the only true reliable friend.

Tell me, is buddha line the same as our Simian line ? I found this name in your Quiz 1.

One more thing I want to clarify, that I do not claim to know more about the True Simian line. Probably it depends on its presence on both or one of the hands.I guess they are much better-off as people are used to their ways since their birth, where as in case of a Pseudo line, the change in the person affects people around them... Anyways, thanx a lot for all the help I have got through this forum and thanks to Lynn for in- a- way- recommending Johnny Fincham's book. I am yet to read R. Unger's and Ed Campbell's books.

And thank you for tolerating my idiosyncrasies since I am here. I gave a little taste of My Simian Line to all our friends.....  
There is something about this forum which makes me stick to it !. I don't know what !

as crazy as ever,
rajashri

Hello rajashri,

Thank you for your lengthy response; I appreciate your dedication.

Regarding your question about the 'Buddha line': well, some Buddha statues are said to be featured with a simian line; this could explain why Asano described that (incomplete) simian line variant as a 'Buddha line'.

However, I would like to add that some others have other lines described as the 'Buddha line' (see for example this source suggesting that the apollo line represents the 'Buddha line'), so I am not sure about whether Asano's description has been used by many people.

I hope this is helpful to known + thanks for asking!

  

Illustration from the Weird Hands Quiz - part 1:

s_udit wrote:...

here is an example of Su-wan-crease and many other features



all these features could well be linked to the vedic-charts of the native concerned

rajashri wrote:Hello Martjn,

Thanx, I just needed a confirmation. By the way have you edited the illustration of the Quiz 1 recently, as its not displaying now ? I did not find the info on Apollo line as the Buddha line.


regards

PS wrote:Hello Martijn,

https://i.servimg.com/u/f39/18/88/06/36/dsc00811.jpg

I have attached my right palms snap. Can you kindly tell me where its suwon crease or simian line ? I would greatly appreciate if you can post my general palm analysis.

Thank You
Pradeep

Hello PS,

What I see is a splitting headline where the upper branch makes a connection with the heart line and the lower branch displays an interruption.

So there is basically only one head line, therefore it can not be described as a Suwon crease.
But there is also no true fusion between the head line and heart line, nor is there the impression that something is missing.

Therefore I would prefer to describe this line variant as a 'pseudo simian line' (it only displays a single characteristic that can be associated with a simian line, but the essentials characteristics of a simian line are missing).

I hope this is helpful?

  

Martijn (admin) wrote:

rajashri wrote:Hello Martjn,

Thanx, I just needed a confirmation. By the way have you edited the illustration of the Quiz 1 recently, as its not displaying now ? I did not find the info on Apollo line as the Buddha line.


regards

Don't worry rajashri, the Quiz 1 is available and has not been edited.

PS. Check the section 'apollo line' to find the mentioning of the Buddha line:
http://www.luckyearthlings.com/article/palmistry-16-other-lines-hand