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CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:38 am

In various musea in the world (not Madame Tussauds) one can find hand casts of quite a few historic figures in classic music. Below I have composed a small tribute to the hands of the great composers.

The hand of Ludwig von Beethoven (1770 - 1827):






The hand of Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849):








The hand of Frans Listz (1811 – 1886):








The hand of Ignacy Jan Paderewski (1860–1941):






The hand of Anton Grigorevich Rubinstein (1829-1894):






The hand of George Sand - born as: Amantine Aurore Lucile Dupin (1804-1876):





Photo: George Sand's arm + Frédéric Chopin's hand.

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:31 am

The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):





NOTICE - Ravel's most famous music piece is his 'Boléro'; the Youtube video below presents a short version performed by the Dutch musician André Rieu:


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Post  jeanette on Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:20 pm


Hi Martijin,
Thanks for showing us these famous hands.It's a great idea. I did not know who wrote the Bolero and that is some hand Ravel had. I saw a hand like that in one of Johnny Fincham's book when he was showing the effect of shock treatment. I enjoyed the video, as I like Andre Rieu. He gets accused of taking down the tone of classical music, but I think he is great and I also get the impression he is quite a character. Maybe we could see his hands. Thanks.
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Post  anu_d on Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:46 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):


very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.
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Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:02 am

jeanette wrote:
Hi Martijin,
Thanks for showing us these famous hands.It's a great idea. I did not know who wrote the Bolero and that is some hand Ravel had. I saw a hand like that in one of Johnny Fincham's book when he was showing the effect of shock treatment. I enjoyed the video, as I like Andre Rieu. He gets accused of taking down the tone of classical music, but I think he is great and I also get the impression he is quite a character. Maybe we could see his hands. Thanks.
Jeanette.
Hello Jeanette,

Nice to hear that you like this project.

Yes, I agree about Rieu: his interpretation of classical music does bring the old master pieces to a very wide public. And obviously, Ravel's 'Boléro' is a true masterpiece!


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Post  Lynn on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:37 am

anu_d wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):


very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.

We used to call those rounded bulging fingertips "lollipop fingers" Very Happy They spend a lot of time in their heads, in the 'mental realm'.
anu, in 5 element chirology, Ravel's isn't a water hand - palm is too wide and fingers too short. It's basically a fire shape hand.

Martijn- which book is Ravel's print from? Does it say how old he was when the print was taken? (looks like an 'old' hand).
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Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:21 am

Lynn wrote:...
Martijn- which book is Ravel's print from? Does it say how old he was when the print was taken? (looks like an 'old' hand).
Hi Lynn,

I found Ravel's handprint in Charlotte Wolff's book 'Studies in Hand Reading', see:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00087K8YI/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_2?ie=UTF8&index=2


PS. Regarding what you wrote about the water hand, I think we can add that usually the numerous lines in a typical water hand have a 'fine, delicate structure'. So, I think the structure of Ravel's many lines... has an element of fire as well. But I guess one could argue that the many lines relate to the element water - so that might explain Anu_d's assocation.

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Post  Lynn on Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:28 pm

Thanks Martijn for quoting source of the print.

Sorry I made an assumption that anu was talking about hand shape, as that's how you'd normally refer to "a water / air / fire / earth hand". The quality of Ravel's lines appear to be mainly air width & fire form. Lots of lines can be water or air, in Ravel's case I'd say more of an overall air type energy in his lines.
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Re: CLASSIC HAND CASTS: Beethoven, Chopin, Listz + more!

Post  anu_d on Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:57 pm

Lynn wrote:
anu_d wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:The hand print of Maurice Ravel (1875-1937):


very interesting hand this......round almost spatulated finger tips.....a simian variant on a water hand...a complex creative personality.

We used to call those rounded bulging fingertips "lollipop fingers" Very Happy They spend a lot of time in their heads, in the 'mental realm'.
anu, in 5 element chirology, Ravel's isn't a water hand - palm is too wide and fingers too short. It's basically a fire shape hand.


Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.

if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
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Post  Lynn on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:49 pm

anu_d wrote: Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.

if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
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hi anu,
Ok I understand, but I guess maybe that was written by someone who didn't study 5 element chirology - do you remember where you read it? when we talk about "water hand" we usually mean handshape (hence sorry I misunderstood you). But everything on the hand can be 'ruled by' an element. Mesh of very fine lines is often found on water shape hands, but excessive mesh of lines can be found on other handshapes too (as Ravel). and then we have to look at quality of the lines by width, shape, markings, then there's the fingerprints etc etc, all aspects adding another piece of the element jigsaw! It would be very unusual to find an earth shape hand with a water mesh of lines. A "perfect water hand" would be one where water features predominate eg water shape with loop fingerprints, fine wavy lines, lots of markings, headline to luna, silk skin, long narrow fingernails, curved heartline, maybe extended relationship line, double heartline or GOV, large water quadrant (luna area) etc etc.

With Ravel, altho fire handshape I think his lines are more air type mesh of lines - they are not watery width or form, so I think he was more intellectual than emotional. plus his 'lollipop fingers = air, + air dominant simian variant as you pointed out. All hands are a mix of all the elements, but usually two elements predominate as stronger in our personalities.

As we (I) are digressing from Ravel's hand, maybe we should take this discussion over to 5-element subforum? Just PM me if you'd like to discuss more about elements & hands & I will copy this over. feel free to ask & discuss more about elements over there.

by the way, whatever the element possibilities in Ravel's hand, I agree with your comment about him having "a complex creative personality". Thumbs up!
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Post  Lynn on Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:34 am

Ahh at last I got time to watch the Ravel "Bolero" video that Martijn posted. Sorry, unlike Jeanette I never heard of Andre Rieu before, but I like his fiery version of Ravel's classic!
For me and many British people, Ravel's Bolero will be forever linked with memories of Jane Torville & Christopher Dean's amazing ice dance performance at 1984 Olympics. As a nation, we were so proud and so happy! happy yel

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Post  jeanette on Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:25 am

Hi Lynn,
Thanks for sending the vudeo of Torville and Dean, brought back memories. I have a few videos of Andre Rieu and my favourite is a Christmas one, but I don't know how to send them, I think I have managed to send it to Martijin and have asked him if he can get it on here. The Bolero is truly, as already said, a masterpiece. It was in Australia I heard about Andre Rieu. The tune of the Bolero stays the same but slowly gets louder and louder and reaches the ultimate. When you look at Ravel's hand the lines are going like the Bolero.
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:25 am

jeanette wrote:... I have a few videos of Andre Rieu and my favourite is a Christmas one, but I don't know how to send them, I think I have managed to send it to Martijin and have asked him if he can get it on here. ...
Hi Jeanette,

Sorry, I didn't receive your request (EDIT: I have found your email, I have included the video in the new André Rieu hand-portrait: http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/famous-hands-section-musicians-f27/andre-rieu-dutch-violinist-composer-t192.htm#1171).


By the way, Jeanette it is very easy to upload Youtube/Google videos: you only have to use the -button and copy-and-past the video's url (= the web adress).

But I think we are going... ... for: André Rieu is known as a skilled performer, but though he is composer as well - his fame is basically due to his highly entertaining orchestral performings.
Nevertheless, this has become a... ... okay, okay, okay... Jeanette, I'll soon post a André Rieu tribute (and though I am not a true 'fan', I promise: I will share my favourite André Rieu moment in that new discussion!!)


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Post  anu_d on Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:37 pm

Lynn wrote:
anu_d wrote: Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.

if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.
however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.
what do you think ?
Regards---a_D

hi anu,
Ok I understand, but I guess maybe that was written by someone who didn't study 5 element chirology - do you remember where you read it? when we talk about "water hand" we usually mean handshape (hence sorry I misunderstood you). But everything on the hand can be 'ruled by' an element. Mesh of very fine lines is often found on water shape hands, but excessive mesh of lines can be found on other handshapes too (as Ravel). and then we have to look at quality of the lines by width, shape, markings, then there's the fingerprints etc etc, all aspects adding another piece of the element jigsaw! It would be very unusual to find an earth shape hand with a water mesh of lines. A "perfect water hand" would be one where water features predominate eg water shape with loop fingerprints, fine wavy lines, lots of markings, headline to luna, silk skin, long narrow fingernails, curved heartline, maybe extended relationship line, double heartline or GOV, large water quadrant (luna area) etc etc.

With Ravel, altho fire handshape I think his lines are more air type mesh of lines - they are not watery width or form, so I think he was more intellectual than emotional. plus his 'lollipop fingers = air, + air dominant simian variant as you pointed out. All hands are a mix of all the elements, but usually two elements predominate as stronger in our personalities.

As we (I) are digressing from Ravel's hand, maybe we should take this discussion over to 5-element subforum? Just PM me if you'd like to discuss more about elements & hands & I will copy this over. feel free to ask & discuss more about elements over there.

by the way, whatever the element possibilities in Ravel's hand, I agree with your comment about him having "a complex creative personality". Thumbs up!

==>Lynn...thanks....I will try to locate the source and take this discussion forward.
it would be a good idea to post this discussion in the relevant section.
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Post  Lynn on Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:34 am

Ok anu. I have copied over relevant parts of this discussion to a new topic about elemental 'hand types'.
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/elemental-chirology-f3/discussion-on-hand-types-via-the-elements-t204.htm#1221
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun May 26, 2013 12:27 am



Handprint of German composer Richard Strauss

(His hand prints are part of the 1000 famous hand prints collection created by German palmist Marianne Raschig, which will be sold by Sotheby's in London at may 5 + 6, 2013; see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329653/Hands-knows-belongs-Fascinating-palm-prints-famous-names-1920s-including-Albert-Einstein-sale.html)




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