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SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Manfred on Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:25 pm

Hi p-friends,

perhaps an interesting link:

http://www.mhpublications.com/Difference.htm

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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Patti on Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:25 pm

Manfred wrote:Hi p-friends,

perhaps an interesting link:

http://www.mhpublications.com/Difference.htm

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Thank you Manfred for sharing this. After quickly reading it (will go back soon and read more carefully) I really am enjoying what I'm reading and how the information is laid out.

This quote from the paper you uploaded adds to something I posted yesterday about how the mind works in interrelating and associating the various features of the hands to make conclusions:

"Expression implies life, vivacity, content, substance, something flowing, a way of relating. It is difficult to measure expression, even more so to define what it is. However, it can be easily recognized when observed, in the same way that facial expression is. "

That is very much how I see it.

The use of "expression", as an important aspect of this presentation, is very subjective, but that does not make it invalid.

Thank you for sharing this link!

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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Patti on Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:35 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
One of my sources in this schizophrenia study concerns an article by Yael Haft-Pomrock (Chirologist and Psychotherapist, Private Practice, Haifa, Israel), titled:
Differences between Schizophrenics and Normal Controls Using Chirological (Hand) Testing

This article comes very close to how hand characteristics are assessed in the field of hand reading.


The article is e.g. featured with a few illustrations of hands of people who suffer from schizophrenia (though unfortunately the quality of those materials is not very good).

Martijn,
Regarding your words I changed to green, are you saying that hand characteristics are given the same 'meanings' in hand analysis/palmistry? Or are you agreeing to how 'expression' is assessed in this study much as it is in hand analysis?
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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:53 pm

Patti wrote:
Martijn,
Regarding your words I changed to green, are you saying that hand characteristics are given the same 'meanings' in hand analysis/palmistry? Or are you agreeing to how 'expression' is assessed in this study much as it is in hand analysis?

Hi Patti,

While using the word 'assessment' I was only referring to the observation of hand characteristics - not the interpretation. So my comment only relates to what you describe in your 2nd sentence/question.

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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Patti on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:00 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Patti wrote:
Martijn,
Regarding your words I changed to green, are you saying that hand characteristics are given the same 'meanings' in hand analysis/palmistry? Or are you agreeing to how 'expression' is assessed in this study much as it is in hand analysis?

Hi Patti,

While using the word 'assessment' I was only referring to the observation of hand characteristics - not the interpretation. So my comment only relates to what you describe in your 2nd sentence/question.

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Post  weepingwillow on Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:35 pm

Hello,
My mother had this unfortunate disease and they say that she was a very intelligent lady
who really shouldnt have been put away for so long, but due to her insecurities she never came out... I never knew her, so i cant comment on her or the family.
I was never sure if she really was, or perhaps she was driven into this state, as i believe her husband and father were rather dominating people.
But, reading your website , the family like myself have broad foreheads and long
faces, would this show up in my hands if there was a hereditary disposition

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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:03 pm

weepingwillow wrote:Hello,
My mother had this unfortunate disease and they say that she was a very intelligent lady
who really shouldnt have been put away for so long, but due to her insecurities she never came out... I never knew her, so i cant comment on her or the family.
I was never sure if she really was, or perhaps she was driven into this state, as i believe her husband and father were rather dominating people.
But, reading your website , the family like myself have broad foreheads and long
faces, would this show up in my hands if there was a hereditary disposition

Hello WeepingWillow,

Thank you for your interesting question. And I understand how you probably arrived at this association due to the facial characteristics that you've mentioned.

However, I am very aware that the variations seen in the hands can be very large and therefore I can not answer your question in general.

(So, I would only be able to say anything about your hands I you would share an impression of your hands... because only then I would be able to get an impression of the potential presence of significant constellations - which would require to be present in multiple-dimensions of your hands)

I hope my answer makes sense?


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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:37 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Roosi wrote:Hi wave

Btw, autism and schizophrenia may be two sides of the same coin thinking

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18226-autism-and-schizophrenia-could-be-genetic-opposites.html

Yes, this might in a way be very true.

For example, autism is typically featured with a low '2D:4D digit ratio' (= usually a relatively long ringfinger)... while schizophrenia studies have shown that a 'female' finger ratio (2D:4D digit ratio > 1) is more common among schizophrenics. Prof. John Manning described these tendencies in his book 'The Finger Book' (2008).


Roosi, thanks for adding the link!

Thanks!

Earlier this year (2012) a Chinese study identified (high) 2d:4d digit ratio as a key-factor in identifying schizophrenia from minor physical anomalies:
http://www.psy-journal.com/article/S0165-1781(12)00374-5/abstract

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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:52 pm


The article about schizophrenia has been update with 2 new hand features related to the so-called 'primitive reflexes'; one of them - the palmomental reflex - is now listed as the 2nd most significant feature significant for the hand in schizophrenia!

See: http://www.handresearch.com/diagnostics/schizophrenia-simian-line-palm-reading.htm


PS. Last month research from Nothingham have reported to have found evidence for the existence of a 'brain switch' that results in schizophrenia (see the video below); the frontal lobe is involved... which is also responsible for the 'primitive reflexes'!



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Re: SCHIZOPHRENIA - The language of the hands!

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:38 am


Major update:

The article has been updated with 7 other hand signs significant for schizophrenia, the phantom picture has also been updated (e.g. the proportions now resemble more what can be expected), and the full article has been re-written according the brand new concept presented in the Multi-Perspective Palm reading project, see:

Schizophrenia & the hand: 47 hand signs!
Schizophrenia & the hand system according Multi-Perspective Palm Reading!


Phantom picture for the hand in schizophrenia:



Hand characteristics in the ordinary population:

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