Latest topics
» LEFT HAND RIGHT HAND WHere is the answer
Today at 5:31 pm by anand_palm

» please read her palm
Today at 11:35 am by Kiran.Katawa

» What does a pinky finger curving inside the palm mean?
Today at 11:01 am by Kiran.Katawa

» homosexuality in the hands - test :)
Yesterday at 4:12 pm by tajender

» Hello to all!
Yesterday at 12:52 am by Lynn

» Elongated whorl
Wed May 16, 2012 10:59 pm by zaobhand

» Is this a rigid thumb or flexible, supple[Pic included]
Sun May 13, 2012 1:57 pm by Samz

» Difference b/w Highset finger and a Long finger
Sun May 13, 2012 5:23 am by anand_palm

» Low set or short little finger
Sun May 13, 2012 4:17 am by Kiran.Katawa

» Ed Campbell's new book: 'Fingerprints and Behavior' (2012)
Sat May 12, 2012 8:41 pm by Patti

Who is online?
In total there are 56 users online :: 6 Registered, 0 Hidden and 50 Guests

bitoqueen, jeanette, Kiran.Katawa, Lynn, Parender, zaobhand

[ View the whole list ]


Most users ever online was 293 on Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:22 am
Moderators & partners

Martijn's website

Lynn's website

Patti's website

Martijn's new website





• Websites of our most active forum-partners...

Would you like to see your website listed?

Manfred's website

Sari's website

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Statistics
We have 1657 registered users
The newest registered user is itz2k12

Our users have posted a total of 18267 messages in 1675 subjects
More recommends
• What do you think of Google's suggestions...?

The Hand of Hitler

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

The Hand of Hitler

Post  cshahar on Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:48 am

Just curious if anyone has ever looked at the hands of Hitler? I read somewhere that Hitler's index finger was longer than his middle finger. But looking at some archival photos, it is obvious that at least for his right hand, his ring finger is prominent, whereas his index finger seems relatively short. It is hard to calculate the ratio between the two but it looks like D2:D4 is lower than average. I have not seen a clear picture of his left hand.

Thanks,

-Charles

cshahar

Posts: 57
Join date: 2010-08-11

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:27 pm

Hi Charles,

Thank you for your 'famous hand' request!

Yes, I think far most photos confirm that Hitler had a (slightly) below average '2D:4D digit ratio'.

But there is also a (left) hand print available - presented as Hitler's hand - which does show a relatively long index finger and a short finger finger. I'll present it at the bottom of this post... for I dare to question the authenticy of that hand print.

(Unfortunately I can not find any picture of Hitler's LEFT hand... which is really necessary to confirm or reject the authenticity of the hand print)

PS. I am aware that there a even better photos available (we collected some of them at the former PI forum), I have contacted Manfred from Germany to share some of his collection.


Anyway, below follow few 'authentic' photo impressions from Hitler's right hand (all prove that in his right hand the ring finger is for sure longer than the index finger - especially the first one):








A few more smaller photos are available here:
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler50.htm
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler6.htm
http://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events/9081f51914bc3ceb6da27a935c4b2544.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Hitler_1928_crop.jpg


The handprint (of which I question the authenticity - actually one could even question if it is a handprint ... or maybe a photo copy??? - Then it would actually relate to Hitler's right hand, and as consequence the handprint should be rejected) is e.g. discussed in an article by 'psychic' Anthony Carr:
http://www.anthonycarrpsychic.com/newspapers/binLaden_01.pdf



For example, another indication that this is probably not Hitler's hand... where is the 'long, strong pinky finger'? And where is the 'strong mount of Venus'? For, these are typical characteristics in all photos of Hitler's hands...!!!


Last edited by Martijn (admin) on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:39 am; edited 8 times in total

___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist from The Netherlands
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network

Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts: 3020
Join date: 2010-07-23
Location: The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Hitler's hand

Post  cshahar on Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:14 pm

Fascinating. I would like to see better images for sure. I wonder what the provenance of the left handed image is? Interestingly, Hitler was into the occult. He was an avowed vegetarian, and there has been ample evidence to suggest that he had a fascination with occult subjects.

-Charles

cshahar

Posts: 57
Join date: 2010-08-11

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:37 pm

Charles, I think I remember that the 'handprint' came from a book - but I am not sure. Can any of the former PI members remember where it came from?

(Again, I am not sure that it actually is a handprint... if it is a photocopy, then it is a right hand)

___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist from The Netherlands
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network

Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts: 3020
Join date: 2010-07-23
Location: The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:45 pm

The image you've uploaded is from Josef Ranald "How to Know People by their Hands".

The image in the book is much sharper - you can see some fine lines.

I'll scan it shortly and upload. I think there is some controversy as to its authenticity.

Patti

___________________________________________
Patti


www.ireadhands.com

Patti

Posts: 2926
Join date: 2010-07-24
Location: US

http://www.iReadHands.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:57 pm


___________________________________________
Patti


www.ireadhands.com

Patti

Posts: 2926
Join date: 2010-07-24
Location: US

http://www.iReadHands.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:04 pm

reversed


___________________________________________
Patti


www.ireadhands.com

Patti

Posts: 2926
Join date: 2010-07-24
Location: US

http://www.iReadHands.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:26 pm

Patti wrote:The image you've uploaded is from Josef Ranald "How to Know People by their Hands".

The image in the book is much sharper - you can see some fine lines.

I'll scan it shortly and upload. I think there is some controversy as to its authenticity.

Patti

Thanks Patti!! Thumbs up!

By the way, can you tell us ... is it a print of his right hand? The hand print indicates that it does concern his right hand, but now I am far less sceptical regarding the authenticity.

(Such a pitty that the author has 'signed' some marks ... even in the high resolution pictures we can hardly see the difference between those marks, and the true lines. However, in the high resolution picture the ring finger appears to be a bit longer than the index finger, and the pinky finger appears to be much longer than indicated by the sample in article that I mentioned. So, now I am much more inclined to treat it as an authentic handprint... :\m/: )

___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist from The Netherlands
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network

Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts: 3020
Join date: 2010-07-23
Location: The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:07 pm

I think it's his right hand.

In the back of the book there are several pages that have been coated with some kind of pink solution with instructions to mix soda (baking etc) with glycerine or soapy water and dampen the hands and then press against the page.

So the print is made similar to old soot prints - rather than inking the hand - the hand removes the coating when lifted.

His instructions also call for printing the right hand.

That would be awesome if you could identify this print as authentic through hand measurements. I don't think it's been done.

___________________________________________
Patti


www.ireadhands.com

Patti

Posts: 2926
Join date: 2010-07-24
Location: US

http://www.iReadHands.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:41 pm

Okay, thanks again Patti.

I think the following picture should also become helpfull to check the details (though obviously it's not sharp either):


___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist from The Netherlands
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network

Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts: 3020
Join date: 2010-07-23
Location: The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Patti on Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:28 am

There's a visible extra crease in the photo above on the index finger same as in the print.

Middle finger bends in a way to reflect the lighter extra creases of the middle finger.

Shape of palm matches, too.

Andrew Fitzherbert speaks of Ranald's work like it's a bad taste in his mouth and cast the doubt on the authenticity of this being Hitler. His only real reason to cast this doubt seems to be Ranald's liberal use of Chiero, Benham and Jaquin's work. But, until recently who didn't rewrite Benham or Chiero?

___________________________________________
Patti


www.ireadhands.com

Patti

Posts: 2926
Join date: 2010-07-24
Location: US

http://www.iReadHands.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  anu_d on Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:10 am

there appear hand-drawn crosses a star and an island on the hand-print of hitler.

It would have been better if the print was left without the hand written marks.

Also the print DOES NOT appear to be the same hand as the photo....the sun finger is MUCH longer in the picture...even if we make allowances for the angle of the photo and the slight incline of the fingers.

The hand ( in photo) falls in the same category as ShahRukh Khan and Elton John type celebrities.......fuelled by the energy of the over developed padded mounts.

a_D

anu_d

Posts: 70
Join date: 2010-07-24

http://palmistry.iforums.us/

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Manfred on Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:53 am

.....sorry only a telegramme here:

My opinion is:
That print is a fake. We´ve discussed it in Sue´s forum before.
Andrew Fitzherbert wrote about the book the print is in in his "Palmist´s Companion".

His opinion is that the prints in there are fakes.

I´ve made another statement in :

Look at my http://palmistry.iforums.us/adolph-hitlers-dna-reveals-jewish-ancestry-vt170.html

Regars
Manfred

ps. Martijn: I´ve stored my Hitler fotos and I´ll put they in here not too far.


Last edited by Martijn (admin) on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:10 am; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : link specification)

Manfred

Posts: 355
Join date: 2010-08-01
Location: Stuttgart, Germany

http://www.handlesen.de

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:28 am

Hi Manfred,

Thank you for your comment. Can you also share more details about Fitzherbert's statement?

For example, one could wonder: how many photos has Fitzherbert seen of Hitler's hands?

By the way, I think the 'double hand gesture' photo does present a few clues on the hand lines (curve in fate line, strong deep sun line, head line connected to life line, knick in the curve of the life line when the head line is connected) that the handprint can be authentic.

(So far I haven't seen any clear indication that the handprint is a 'fake')


So, I think we better continue to find more details...





Last edited by Martijn (admin) on Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:59 pm; edited 1 time in total

___________________________________________
sunny

Martijn van Mensvoort
Hand researcher & psychologist from The Netherlands
Presents: Multi-Perspective Palm Reading + the Global Palm Reading Network

Martijn (admin)
Admin

Posts: 3020
Join date: 2010-07-23
Location: The Netherlands

http://www.handresearch.com

Back to top Go down

Re: The Hand of Hitler

Post  Manfred on Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:38 pm

Dear Martijn,


thank you. At the moment I´m out of office and have to wait in taking part on the discussion until I´m back and have have my whole package of library and store.

Regards
Manfred

Manfred

Posts: 355
Join date: 2010-08-01
Location: Stuttgart, Germany

http://www.handlesen.de

Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum