radial peacock

Hello All,

Perhaps any of you know (or recall the discussion in international palmistry) about interpretation or radial peacock (on index finger, in particular).

Thanks
Boaz

zaobhand wrote:Hello All,

Perhaps any of you know (or recall the discussion in international palmistry) about interpretation or radial peacock (on index finger, in particular).

Thanks
Boaz

Hello Boaz,

You might want to take a look into the preview of Ronelle Coburn's book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=kCTeEF1zRz0C

(Unfortunately the preview of Richard Unger's book is no longer available)

Hello Martijn,

Thanks!

Boaz

Hi Boaz
You might enjoy to read this excerpt from my book abput a radial peacok's eye on a water (index) finger.
Love from Jennifer

People with radial peacock’s eyes on their water fingers could be overly concerned with how others see them, and with how they are expected to behave. This ultimately requires that they learn to become more aware of their individuality. They could feel torn between wanting to be true to themselves and wanting to fit in. They may be inclined to behave erratically, first going with what is expected at first, then changing to become autonomous, but backing down at the first sign of opposition or criticism from others.

Hi Jennifer,

Great, very helpful. This was my understanding too as the radial loop (openness) and whorl (independence) formations are rather contradictory. Thanks!
Btw, I have radial peacocks on both index fingers. It seems to make sense to me and with the years I've become more aware of this psychological pattern.

Most of the time this is a Life Purpose marking - and it has to do with power and leadership the way I read fingeprints. On the right hand, leadership and power out in the world, on the left leadership and power in your close community.

I guess this sounds good. Thanks. What is the reason "leadership and power" is associated with radial peacock?

zaobhand wrote:I guess this sounds good. Thanks. What is the reason "leadership and power" is associated with radial peacock?

The Radial Peacock does not necessarily always mean it's associated with leadership and power, it depends on which finger the Radial Peacock is situated.

Fingers represent a person's various realms. Fingerprints indicate how that person utilizes their energy (indicated by the shape of the fingers) according to their finger representing the realms, for example Water/Index finger is leadership, Saturn/Middle finger is responsibility, Fire/Ring finger is creativity and Air/Little finger is communication. Fingers represent a lot more but I'm giving an overview.

Interesting. I see that index finger is associated with leadership. Is radial peacock supposed to enhance leadership qualities? Thanks

Nothing enhances the features of the Water/Index finger, the fingerprint simply indicates how one uses the those qualities associated with the Water/Index finger.

According to Elemental Chirology (Personality Hand Analysis), a Peacock's Eye indicates artistic, discerning, lucky, observant and perspective to the qualities associated with the finger (Hirsch, The Healing Craft of Hand Reading 24:2004).

According to my database, an individual who who has a Peacock's Eye on the Water/Index finger indicates that the personal is a natural when leading/persuading others and in terms of careers this person's best potential is to work with others.

Thanks for explanation.

zaobhand wrote:Hi Jennifer,

Great, very helpful. This was my understanding too as the radial loop (openness) and whorl (independence) formations are rather contradictory. Thanks!
Btw, I have radial peacocks on both index fingers. It seems to make sense to me and with the years I've become more aware of this psychological pattern.

Hello Boaz, this is very old post ( And as you know - old is gold. I have found some important info here ). Do you have radial peacocks on other fingers too. If so, you would be feeling torn between openness and independence in those areas too. Sounds logical. But, just wanted to check with you.

Hello Kiran,

Can't argue with gold

I find finger prints still to be rather tricky. In the least they need to be understood within the context of the full set of prints as well as hand shape and palm features. I've seen recently a hand with a set of 10 whorls and she didn't seem to display much of its characteristics other than striving for the past few years to establish self-employment. She seems to love being with other people and her hand is rather water like with conic-like tapering fingers. On the other hand a scientist friend of mine, with, I seem to recall, a full set of loops could probably be a text book example of a whorl personality. He has a remarkably beautiful and large hand of I believe a predominantly air type. I don't resonate much with the "Life Purpose School". I've got no feeling for why the radial peacock would relate to a leadership quality. Throw in enough adjectives and you get the Barnum effect.

My finger prints are, from thumb to pinky:
Left: 1. radially skewed whorl. 2. radial peacock. 3. ulnar peacock 4. whorl 5. ulnar peacock
Right: 1. whorl. 2. radial peacock. 3. ulnar loop 4. whorl 5. ulnar peacock

I don't think of myself as erratic. Often people comment on my calmness. Likely I had more 'openness' than the average person as a child or what one would call naivety, yet also an innate sense of originality. There probably was some contrast. Nowadays I feel very confident within my own 'style & character'.

zaobhand wrote:Hello Kiran,

Can't argue with gold

I find finger prints still to be rather tricky. In the least they need to be understood within the context of the full set of prints as well as hand shape and palm features. I've seen recently a hand with a set of 10 whorls and she didn't seem to display much of its characteristics other than striving for the past few years to establish self-employment. She seems to love being with other people and her hand is rather water like with conic-like tapering fingers. On the other hand a scientist friend of mine, with, I seem to recall, a full set of loops could probably be a text book example of a whorl personality. He has a remarkably beautiful and large hand of I believe a predominantly air type. I don't resonate much with the "Life Purpose School". I've got no feeling for why the radial peacock would relate to a leadership quality. Throw in enough adjectives and you get the Barnum effect.

My finger prints are, from thumb to pinky:
Left: 1. radially skewed whorl. 2. radial peacock. 3. ulnar peacock 4. whorl 5. ulnar peacock
Right: 1. whorl. 2. radial peacock. 3. ulnar loop 4. whorl 5. ulnar peacock

I don't think of myself as erratic. Often people comment on my calmness. Likely I had more 'openness' than the average person as a child or what one would call naivety, yet also an innate sense of originality. There probably was some contrast. Nowadays I feel very confident within my own 'style & character'.

That's true Boaz that the fingerprints have to be co-related to other hand features for accuracy.
I was looking for "Barnum effect", the name I had totally forgotten. That's very important for a palm reader to be conscious of. Good that you bought it in this description

Kiran, A good example of the Barnum effect with Derren Brown from "Tricks of the mind"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk

zaobhand wrote:Kiran, A good example of the Barnum effect with Derren Brown from "Tricks of the mind"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk

The end of the video is painful to watch as it leaves the people with the idea that all astrologers, tarot card readers and palmists are using generalizations that can fit everyone. This forum is in itself an example of perhaps both, but I think when you read through threads of readings for people, everyone is not going to read through and say "that's just like me 80 to 99%".

Patti, I also think that readings in this forum are often very specific. Here is another perhaps counter example to the Barnum effect:
"Michael Shermer debunked by Astrologer Jeffrey Armstrong on his own show!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6k7xa1NrCc

Patti wrote:

zaobhand wrote:Kiran, A good example of the Barnum effect with Derren Brown from "Tricks of the mind"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk

The end of the video is painful to watch as it leaves the people with the idea that all astrologers, tarot card readers and palmists are using generalizations that can fit everyone. This forum is in itself an example of perhaps both, but I think when you read through threads of readings for people, everyone is not going to read through and say "that's just like me 80 to 99%".

At times the problem with these theorist is they generalize it to "ALL" instead of "MANY", though its such a value add information. They deny the scientific factors of astrology, tarots or palmistry. I feel - its their immaturity, ignorance and insecurity.
But, just the presence of such people in a way increases the value of palmreading as ppl become more aware of generic readings and also a value for us in being self-aware.

Martijn (admin) wrote:

zaobhand wrote:Hello All,

Perhaps any of you know (or recall the discussion in international palmistry) about interpretation or radial peacock (on index finger, in particular).

Thanks
Boaz

Hello Boaz,

You might want to take a look into the preview of Ronelle Coburn's book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=kCTeEF1zRz0C

(Unfortunately the preview of Richard Unger's book is no longer available)

I recently purchased this book and it's much more of a book about the psychology of the meaning of the fingers rather than the finger prints. The prints are used to obtain a life purpose and from there it's all about life purpose based on emphasis on particular fingers. It seems a good book, but I think Jennifer Hirsch's book is much better for reading about the various finger prints as they appear on the different fingers.

Hi Patti,

Good to know. I was planning on buying Jennifer's book. I recall reading somewhere that it will soon be published internationally.

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:

zaobhand wrote:Kiran, A good example of the Barnum effect with Derren Brown from "Tricks of the mind"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk

The end of the video is painful to watch as it leaves the people with the idea that all astrologers, tarot card readers and palmists are using generalizations that can fit everyone. This forum is in itself an example of perhaps both, but I think when you read through threads of readings for people, everyone is not going to read through and say "that's just like me 80 to 99%".

At times the problem with these theorist is they generalize it to "ALL" instead of "MANY", though its such a value add information. They deny the scientific factors of astrology, tarots or palmistry. I feel - its their immaturity, ignorance and insecurity.
But, just the presence of such people in a way increases the value of palmreading as ppl become more aware of generic readings and also a value for us in being self-aware.

Kiran, Cannot say it any better.

Kiran.Katawa wrote:

Patti wrote:

zaobhand wrote:Kiran, A good example of the Barnum effect with Derren Brown from "Tricks of the mind"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk

The end of the video is painful to watch as it leaves the people with the idea that all astrologers, tarot card readers and palmists are using generalizations that can fit everyone. This forum is in itself an example of perhaps both, but I think when you read through threads of readings for people, everyone is not going to read through and say "that's just like me 80 to 99%".

At times the problem with these theorist is they generalize it to "ALL" instead of "MANY", though its such a value add information. They deny the scientific factors of astrology, tarots or palmistry. I feel - its their immaturity, ignorance and insecurity.
But, just the presence of such people in a way increases the value of palmreading as ppl become more aware of generic readings and also a value for us in being self-aware.

I can agree. For people who might make the "generalization" argument, I'd say the same could be said for psychology, therapy, any of the "mental" sciences, in which you have to consult your patient to get a picture of their inner mind, before you can offer them advice and treatment. Yes, some of this "getting a picture" is going to be based in, or at least started in, generalization, but any good consultant (whether that be a therapist, or a palmist, or astrologist, etc) is going to branch out from that generalization, into something precise, and personally helpful to the person who is consulting them. It is just the nature of the science. You start with "You seem to have anxiety," then branch out to, "You have anxiety about "x," then move to, "You have anxiety about "x" because..." The initial generalization is necessary to get to the deeper things.

Liz, I think the true test of hand reading and astrology is whether the character (or predictions if so be) can be delineated on the basis of the horoscope and the hand itself. Of course one on one makes it easier to fine tune the reading.

True. But, it seems that specific markings can mean different things for different people. That is where, starting with the broad concept, and working up to the specific, seems to be really helpful. Or is it really possible to jump straight to the very specific? It's not something that I know!