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Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:12 pm



Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

This question could very well represent the most popular question in the field of hand reading. And thus whether the length of the line of life correlates with the age of death can be recognized as one of the major themes in the branch of palmistry - especially in the sub-branch called 'predictive palmistry'.

NOTICE: Many other branches in the fields of palmistry do not focus on this question at all, because the 'modern' branches in hand reading tend to focus much more on personality assessment, health and life purpose related matter (and usually these branches tend propagate the approach that because of the dynamic nature of the hand lines by principle these are not suitable to be used for making predictions about future events).

By the way, in science the line of life is known as the 'thenar crease'. And some of many different views about the life line available in the field of hand reading, have been summarized in this article:
Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?


The picture below presents the results of a 1990 study which has indicated that the length of the life line can sometimes show a strong correlation with longevity (more details about how to interpret such results are available in the article above).




In the first 2 years of the Modern Hand Reading Forum, various thorough discussions have risen with many examples of life lines of various lengths; see the following topics:

- Length of life line: can anybody give the answer?
- Does Life line indicate how we go through phases from Individuality to responsibility?
- Types of Life line and their meaning?
- Downward small lines from life line?
- Scar on life line?
- Cheiro's life line

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Parender on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:31 pm

Hi Martijn,

Yes, This question whether the length of the line of life correlates with the longevity or death is the most popular question in the field of hand reading or predictive palmistry. I have following thought in this regard.

Life line shows vitality and not longevity of a person because one can die anytime despite having a very long and strong life line. Life Line shows presence of physiological state of having, possessing or consisting of muscular strength; it shows ‘especially’ the quality of your digestive system of your body. It shows your healthy capacity for vigorous activities. Life Line shows your capacity or yours being able to survive and grow properly. It shows hypothetically a ‘force’ to cause the evolution and development of organisms once thought by Henri Bergson.

To us the Indian palmists, this line reflects the strength of the family tree. Long, clear, and well-marked life lines are indicative of strength, vitality, good immune systems, good recovery ability, resilience, and sexual energy, especially if it has a generous curve around a healthy mount of Venus.”


And as per W G Benham It shows the quality of ‘wire’ to flow the current. Naturally, Good life line furnishes better channel or ‘wire’ through which the Electric Current can flow for free circulation. This line has not much to do with the age of the person.

The Life Line can reflect of course the major life changes, including cataclysmic events, physical injuries and relocation, but, I don’t believe that length of a person’s life line is tied to the length of a person’s life span because no sign or marker is absolute in itself and that everything effects everything. My elder brother in New Delhi died of heart attack recently at the age of 67 only where life line was revealing the longevity at least for 90 years. Death can be seen elsewhere on the palms of the hands.So what does this mean? It means that
the length of the line of life does not correlates with the longevity or death of a person.

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Post  vicky.dasari on Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:23 pm

Good post Parender sir.
I had a similar doubt about my life line.
Thank you for the info.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  pravin kumar on Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:28 am

If the life line is short and the will power is strong then as per William Benham Will Power will extend the life line.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:54 am


NOTICE: Pictures above are taken from the website of palmist Frederique Herel (Canada); she reports: "Short Life Line - Here we have typical examples of the dreaded short life line! No need to worry: it doesn’t indicate the person is going to die young! It just means that there will be a time in your life when you will use your body in a different and less physical fashion than before, maybe because of a change in activity (from active to sedentary), the cessation of an occupation (retirement), or anything else that would modify the use of the body. As you can see on the illustrations, even though the life line stops, the destiny line – or any other line - usually takes over and keeps the person going."


A few quotes from the international palmistry literature describing why a short life line should not be associated with a short lifespan:




- 'God Give Glyphs' (page 133) - Jennifer Hirsch, (South Africa, 2010)

"A short earth (life) line indicates that he works in fits and starts and that he may tire easily."




- 'Palmistry: The Universal Guide' (page 156) - Nathaniel Altman, (US, 2009)

"The life line is the mirror of our health, vitality and constitution. That's why some palmists eroneously associate the strength and length of the life line with longevity. After reading the hands of tousands of people over the course of more than thirty years, I have met many who died young despite their long and well developed life lines. I have also met many people who reached old age despite their short and weak life lines."




- 'The Spellbinding Power of Palmistry' (page 77) - author: Johnny Fincham (UK, 2005):

"Earth line (life line) - One of the unfortunate legacies of traditional, predictive palmistry is that most laymen are aware of the old nonsense about a short or broken lifeline presaging an early demise!"




- 'Psychodiagnostic Chirology in Analysis and Therapy' (page 116) - author: Arnold Holtzman (Israel, 2004):

"The thenar line: ego drive discipline - This line is identified almost universally as the line of life. And while tradition and folklore have their place in any culture this very unfortunate labeling has contributed to countless tragedies over the years. Books have been published in which the assertion was made that the length of this line is an indicator of the length of a person's life, and many a death can be attributed to a palmist's stated certainty that the subject would not live beyond a give year. It is imperative, then, to establish at the start that there is no link whatsoever between this line and the length of one's life. Moreover, the degree to which it may relate to the quality of one's life is neither greater nor less than what is true of other lines."




'Fortune Telling Handbook' (page 120) - author: Dennis Fairchild (US, 2003):

"The Life Line does't reveal how long you'll live but speaks of your enthousiasm for life and willingness to enjoy and fight what you want and love."




'Palmistry Quick & Easy' (page 67) - author: Peter Hazel (US, 2001):

"A short life line, contrary to popular myth, does not mean a short life. The length of the life line is related more to a person's energy levels than to time or the length of life."




'The Complete Book of Palmistry' (page 37) - Richard Webster (Australia, 2001):

"The Life Line - This is the one that everyone knows! I couldn't begin to estimate the number of times people have come up to me and said, "My Johnny's got a very short life line. Does that mean he'll die young?" Many chiildren have short life lines and the this line lengthens as they grow. It is impossible to tell when someones will die by looking at their life line. Moreover, it is inexcusable for any palmist to tell someone when they are going to die, as their prediction could become a self-fullfilling prophecy. When my aunt was fifteen a palm reader told her she would die at the age of sixty-five. For years before she reached sixty-five she worried about the prediction and was not free of a sense of fear till she turned sixty-six. Fortunately, she did not die at the age she was told she would but she experienced years of needless stress and anxiety despite many other psychics telling her prediction was wrong."




'The Complete Book of the Hand' (page 120) - author: Lori Reid (UK, 1991):

"The life line represents the quality of life. The length of it does not, contrary to some popular opnion, reflect longevity or duration of life."




'The Benham Book of Palmistry' (page 469) - author: William G. Benham (US, 1900):

"In 176 the inside line is the Life Iine, though the second or Saturn line takes up a part of the Life line's function from the time the life line leaves off."


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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Ramann on Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:40 pm

Dear Members.

Irrespective of the comments posted and the studies corroborated I still do strongly believe a short or a very short life line do predict a short life for the native.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:07 pm

'The Complete Book of the Hand' (page 120) - author: Lori Reid (UK, 1991):

"The life line represents the quality of life. The length of it does not, contrary to some popular opnion, reflect longevity or duration of life."


'The Benham Book of Palmistry' (page 469) - author: William G. Benham (US, 1900):

"In 176 the inside line is the Life Iine, though the second or Saturn line takes up a part of the Life line's function from the time the life line leaves off."


Sharing my view: both the above thoughts seem to fit in 'together' as true, when seen collectively.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:35 pm


I have justed added a few more quotes from the works of best selling authors (Lori Reid, Richard Fairchild & Pater Hazel):
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t2110-can-the-length-of-the-life-line-predict-longevity#22692


Maybe it is also interesting to notice here that among the 8 authors in side the current Palmistry books TOP 10 (as reported in the summer of 2012), there is only one author left that present support fot the 'populistic' myth that the length of the life line represents a measure for the length of life.

(Though one can add that in her 1991 book 'Palmistry' Roz Levine - the current no.9 - has actually also shifted away from this myth, because she suggests on page 6 that regarding longevity she considers the fate line to be more important than the life line)


Maybe it is also interesting to notice that Levine's position inside this TOP 10 has detoriated over the years... so it could be just a matter of time when we get confronted with a new situation where none of the TOP 10 authors present support for the classic life line myth!

PS. Richard Unger & Ronelle Coburn (who belong to the IIHA) do not talk about the life line in their books, but their perception can be understood via this short review presented by IIHA student Meredyth Hunt, see:
http://yogamint.com/cosmic-corner-1/the-life-line

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:42 pm

RishiRahul wrote:'The Complete Book of the Hand' (page 120) - author: Lori Reid (UK, 1991):

"The life line represents the quality of life. The length of it does not, contrary to some popular opnion, reflect longevity or duration of life."


'The Benham Book of Palmistry' (page 469) - author: William G. Benham (US, 1900):

"In 176 the inside line is the Life Iine, though the second or Saturn line takes up a part of the Life line's function from the time the life line leaves off."


Sharing my view: both the above thoughts seem to fit in 'together' as true, when seen collectively.

RishiRahul

Rishi, what are you suggesting here? Can you please describe more explicit your thoughts reagrding the quote from Lori Reid and William G. Benham?

(I am not sure what you are trying to say)

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:02 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:'The Complete Book of the Hand' (page 120) - author: Lori Reid (UK, 1991):

"The life line represents the quality of life. The length of it does not, contrary to some popular opnion, reflect longevity or duration of life."


'The Benham Book of Palmistry' (page 469) - author: William G. Benham (US, 1900):

"In 176 the inside line is the Life Iine, though the second or Saturn line takes up a part of the Life line's function from the time the life line leaves off."


Sharing my view: both the above thoughts seem to fit in 'together' as true, when seen collectively.

RishiRahul

Rishi, what are you suggesting here? Can you please describe more explicit your thoughts reagrding the quote from Lori Reid and William G. Benham?

(I am not sure what you are trying to say)


Martjin,

I am not suggesting something.

Out of the mentioned ones by you in the above quoted not included here; I mean your post, I found the above 2 fitting in perfectly as maestros plays music (duets).

Sorry for my poetic language.

Let me explain in my way:=
The first quote says that it represents the quality of life.

Benham in the second quote mentions that the line of saturn takes over.
In this case line of responsibility (saturn) should be found standing by it like the line of mars does.

So when the line of life ends, but the line of saturn takes over, the person sort of sacrifices his life to a higher/ moral cause:= he/she doesnt live solely for him/her self, but more so for the purpose.

Its the best I can try to explain.
I am quite inferior/not confident at explanations. So sorry.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:16 pm

So the quality of life goes for a change, where the life of line ends and line takes over.
The natives lives lives for him/herself less.

I am unable to say if the others can perceive this change always. But I would think that the persons quite close to the native would see/perceive this.
Which would more surely be confirmed through astrology.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:27 pm

RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

I am not suggesting something.

Out of the mentioned ones by you in the above quoted not included here; I mean your post, I found the above 2 fitting in perfectly as maestros plays music (duets).

Sorry for my poetic language.

Let me explain in my way:=
The first quote says that it represents the quality of life.

Benham in the second quote mentions that the line of saturn takes over.
In this case line of responsibility (saturn) should be found standing by it like the line of mars does.

So when the line of life ends, but the line of saturn takes over, the person sort of sacrifices his life to a higher/ moral cause:= he/she doesnt live solely for him/her self, but more so for the purpose.

Its the best I can try to explain.
I am quite inferior/not confident at explanations. So sorry.

RishiRahul

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I think that is an excellent explanation! Thumbs up!


PS. I think your interpretation could easily fit with the 'modern' approach towards the length of the life line (which proposes that the life line can be associated with 'vitality'... but it's length should not be associated with longevity).

However... for me it's still hard to tell how to decide whether your words implicate support for the 'modern' approach towards the life line??? ( Smile You can read this as an invitation to take a position regarding the modern approach)

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:40 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

I am not suggesting something.

Out of the mentioned ones by you in the above quoted not included here; I mean your post, I found the above 2 fitting in perfectly as maestros plays music (duets).

Sorry for my poetic language.

Let me explain in my way:=
The first quote says that it represents the quality of life.

Benham in the second quote mentions that the line of saturn takes over.
In this case line of responsibility (saturn) should be found standing by it like the line of mars does.

So when the line of life ends, but the line of saturn takes over, the person sort of sacrifices his life to a higher/ moral cause:= he/she doesnt live solely for him/her self, but more so for the purpose.

Its the best I can try to explain.
I am quite inferior/not confident at explanations. So sorry.

RishiRahul

Thanks! + Thumb up

I think that is an excellent explanation! Thumbs up!


PS. I think your interpretation could easily fit with the 'modern' approach towards the length of the life line (which proposes that the life line can be associated with 'vitality'... but it's length should not be associated with longevity).

However... for me it's still hard to tell how to decide whether your words implicate support for the 'modern' approach towards the life line??? ( Smile You can read this as an invitation to take a position regarding the modern approach)


Thank you umpteen!

Of course, the line of life is the line of vitality.
I never knew that it was a modern approach, though.

When the fate line takes over, the space between the thumb & the life line (saturn line actually) increases: so the vitality/the vital sense increases, but not in the main life line terms.
So a super conscious takes over the general materialistic usual mundane life (sort of).
Do not take the above literally please.

The older palmists/astrologers/numerologists had bad communication skills or were impatient to explain things and modern is always progressive, trying to decode things better... or else What is the use/need of Human intelligence?!

My thought process was, I guess modern always; and I would find it difficult to separate the 2 in my thinking.

Thank you again

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:49 pm


Thanks for responding Rishi,

But I still have one element that remains unclear from your comments so far inside this topic:

Do you support the classic idea that the length of the life line can be understood as an indication for the the age of death?


wave

PS. I hope you are aware that the modern approach does not support this classic idea - which is now usually described as a 'myth'.


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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:35 am

RishiRahul wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

I am not suggesting something.

Out of the mentioned ones by you in the above quoted not included here; I mean your post, I found the above 2 fitting in perfectly as maestros plays music (duets).

Sorry for my poetic language.

Let me explain in my way:=
The first quote says that it represents the quality of life.

Benham in the second quote mentions that the line of saturn takes over.
In this case line of responsibility (saturn) should be found standing by it like the line of mars does.

So when the line of life ends, but the line of saturn takes over, the person sort of sacrifices his life to a higher/ moral cause:= he/she doesnt live solely for him/her self, but more so for the purpose.

Its the best I can try to explain.
I am quite inferior/not confident at explanations. So sorry.

RishiRahul

Thanks! + Thumb up

I think that is an excellent explanation! Thumbs up!


PS. I think your interpretation could easily fit with the 'modern' approach towards the length of the life line (which proposes that the life line can be associated with 'vitality'... but it's length should not be associated with longevity).

However... for me it's still hard to tell how to decide whether your words implicate support for the 'modern' approach towards the life line??? ( Smile You can read this as an invitation to take a position regarding the modern approach)


Thank you umpteen!

Of course, the line of life is the line of vitality.
I never knew that it was a modern approach, though.

When the fate line takes over, the space between the thumb & the life line (saturn line actually) increases: so the vitality/the vital sense increases, but not in the main life line terms.
So a super conscious takes over the general materialistic usual mundane life (sort of).
Do not take the above literally please.

The older palmists/astrologers/numerologists had bad communication skills or were impatient to explain things and modern is always progressive, trying to decode things better... or else What is the use/need of Human intelligence?!

My thought process was, I guess modern always; and I would find it difficult to separate the 2 in my thinking.

Thank you again

RishiRahul

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Thanks for responding Rishi,

But I still have one element that remains unclear from your comments so far inside this topic:

Do you support the classic idea that the length of the life line can be understood as an indication for the the age of death?


wave

PS. I hope you are aware that the modern approach does not support this classic idea - which is now usually described as a 'myth'.


Martjin,

The line of vitality; as you mentioned also that the life line shows vitality actually, & this supports the modern concept.

But actually is it modern?!

The line of line was called the line of vitalis in the olden days.
I forget who named this so. Desbarroles or D' Arpentigny, And or someone even earlier.

Someone old/olden used to create concepts; & the newer was always seen to work upon, developing it.
That is the way of life (thanks to human intelligence & their developing communication skills.

Actually there is no rigid difference between the old & the new. Is there.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  pravin kumar on Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:52 am

Dear Martijn and Rishi,

I agree too that life line indicates vitality but where it ends and fate or inner life line takes over there is change in life style. If fate line takes over then change in career and if inner life line takes over then change in spirituality and also health. I read inner life line to have the above two meaning. Correct me if I am wrong.

RishiRahul wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

I am not suggesting something.

Out of the mentioned ones by you in the above quoted not included here; I mean your post, I found the above 2 fitting in perfectly as maestros plays music (duets).

Sorry for my poetic language.

Let me explain in my way:=
The first quote says that it represents the quality of life.

Benham in the second quote mentions that the line of saturn takes over.
In this case line of responsibility (saturn) should be found standing by it like the line of mars does.

So when the line of life ends, but the line of saturn takes over, the person sort of sacrifices his life to a higher/ moral cause:= he/she doesnt live solely for him/her self, but more so for the purpose.

Its the best I can try to explain.
I am quite inferior/not confident at explanations. So sorry.

RishiRahul

Thanks! + Thumb up

I think that is an excellent explanation! Thumbs up!


PS. I think your interpretation could easily fit with the 'modern' approach towards the length of the life line (which proposes that the life line can be associated with 'vitality'... but it's length should not be associated with longevity).

However... for me it's still hard to tell how to decide whether your words implicate support for the 'modern' approach towards the life line??? ( Smile You can read this as an invitation to take a position regarding the modern approach)


Thank you umpteen!

Of course, the line of life is the line of vitality.
I never knew that it was a modern approach, though.

When the fate line takes over, the space between the thumb & the life line (saturn line actually) increases: so the vitality/the vital sense increases, but not in the main life line terms.
So a super conscious takes over the general materialistic usual mundane life (sort of).
Do not take the above literally please.

The older palmists/astrologers/numerologists had bad communication skills or were impatient to explain things and modern is always progressive, trying to decode things better... or else What is the use/need of Human intelligence?!

My thought process was, I guess modern always; and I would find it difficult to separate the 2 in my thinking.

Thank you again

RishiRahul

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Thanks for responding Rishi,

But I still have one element that remains unclear from your comments so far inside this topic:

Do you support the classic idea that the length of the life line can be understood as an indication for the the age of death?


wave

PS. I hope you are aware that the modern approach does not support this classic idea - which is now usually described as a 'myth'.


Martjin,

The line of vitality; as you mentioned also that the life line shows vitality actually, & this supports the modern concept.

But actually is it modern?!

The line of line was called the line of vitalis in the olden days.
I forget who named this so. Desbarroles or D' Arpentigny, And or someone even earlier.

Someone old/olden used to create concepts; & the newer was always seen to work upon, developing it.
That is the way of life (thanks to human intelligence & their developing communication skills.

Actually there is no rigid difference between the old & the new. Is there.

RishiRahul


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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:13 am

Hi Pravin ji,

The line of the life is known as the line of vitality.

I have not known the life line ending affecting health if the fate line takes over.
But of course, there is a possibility; for which we may see for confirmations in the left palm too & also the other main lines, including health line.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  pravin kumar on Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:23 am

Rishiji,

Life line ending will show reduction in vitality. The person lives on his inner strength as William Benham says. What the modern palmistry says I do not know but if the fate line takes over or the inner life line or even mars line takes over then there is no health problem but change in life style which other parts of the palm will reveal. Ending of life line will off course not mean Death.

What if the life line ends and neither the fate line nor the inner life line or mars line takes over? If will power is strong, as denoted by the strong thumb, the will power will extend the life line. I remember having seen a person who life line in both palms ended at 50. I saw this when he was only 45. Again I saw his palm at 52. Both the life line got extended.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:26 am

RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

The line of vitality; as you mentioned also that the life line shows vitality actually, & this supports the modern concept.

But actually is it modern?!

The line of line was called the line of vitalis in the olden days.
I forget who named this so. Desbarroles or D' Arpentigny, And or someone even earlier.

Someone old/olden used to create concepts; & the newer was always seen to work upon, developing it.
That is the way of life (thanks to human intelligence & their developing communication skills.

Actually there is no rigid difference between the old & the new. Is there.

RishiRahul

Rishi, while you assume there is not much difference between the old & new view... I think it is pretty obviousy that there is actually big difference between the old view and the modern view:

Because only in the old view the length of the life line is associated with the age of death... while in the new view this is recognized as a myth, because one should not confuse 'vitality' with 'longevity'!


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PS. I hope you now understand why I presented my question about your position towards the old view? (I think my question is still left unanswered... but I won't bother you again with the same rather simple quesiton)



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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:32 am

pravin kumar wrote:Rishiji,

Life line ending will show reduction in vitality. The person lives on his inner strength as William Benham says. What the modern palmistry says I do not know but if the fate line takes over or the inner life line or even mars line takes over then there is no health problem but change in life style which other parts of the palm will reveal. Ending of life line will off course not mean Death.

What if the life line ends and neither the fate line nor the inner life line or mars line takes over? If will power is strong, as denoted by the strong thumb, the will power will extend the life line. I remember having seen a person who life line in both palms ended at 50. I saw this when he was only 45. Again I saw his palm at 52. Both the life line got extended.

Pravin Kumar

Pravin, your observations sort of explain why the old myth (regarding the assocations between length of the life and longevity)... has left the modern hand reading literature - see my earlier observation today regarding the current Palmistry books TOP 10.

Thank you for your attempt to explain the issue to rishi! Thumb up


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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:17 am

pravin kumar wrote:Rishiji,

Life line ending will show reduction in vitality. The person lives on his inner strength as William Benham says. What the modern palmistry says I do not know but if the fate line takes over or the inner life line or even mars line takes over then there is no health problem but change in life style which other parts of the palm will reveal. Ending of life line will off course not mean Death.
Rishi= In my 'experience' the life line ending may not show the end/reduction of physical vitality if the fate line takes over.
I have seen, of course in very few palms, this happening. The fate line took over. The native is physically okay.
The urge to perform in life increased; along with performance & energy.
A case is my sister herself.
Just like religions have progressed (ex: old to new testament), the craft of palmistry has also progressed.

What if the life line ends and neither the fate line nor the inner life line or mars line takes over? If will power is strong, as denoted by the strong thumb, the will power will extend the life line. I remember having seen a person who life line in both palms ended at 50. I saw this when he was only 45. Again I saw his palm at 52. Both the life line got extended.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:32 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

The line of vitality; as you mentioned also that the life line shows vitality actually, & this supports the modern concept.

But actually is it modern?!

The line of line was called the line of vitalis in the olden days.
I forget who named this so. Desbarroles or D' Arpentigny, And or someone even earlier.

Someone old/olden used to create concepts; & the newer was always seen to work upon, developing it.
That is the way of life (thanks to human intelligence & their developing communication skills.

Actually there is no rigid difference between the old & the new. Is there.

RishiRahul

Rishi, while you assume there is not much difference between the old & new view... I think it is pretty obviousy that there is actually big difference between the old view and the modern view:
Rishi= Just like religions have progressed, the craft of palmistry & even astrology too.
If the older palmistry was not available, then the new would not have emerged possibly.
During the dark ages much older literature has been lost; also much has been distorted due to whatever reasons (this is a reason why we are not able to interpret what the older literature actually said).
This has led to communication gaps.
The divide between the old & new is in our perceptions; actually.
New developments, discoveries are a part of life.....just shows the progressive attitude of human intelligence.

Because only in the old view the length of the life line is associated with the age of death... while in the new view this is recognized as a myth, because one should not confuse 'vitality' with 'longevity'!

Rishi= May be we did not understand what the old view actually meant to say.
This is to remind that the old view does mention the life line as the line of vitalis.

wave

PS. I hope you now understand why I presented my question about your position towards the old view? (I think my question is still left unanswered... but I won't bother you again with the same rather simple quesiton)
Rishi=I hope I have answered the question.
If not please rephrase the question please.





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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:00 pm

RishiRahul wrote:
Rishi=I hope I have answered the question.
If not please rephrase the question please.

Thank you Rishi,

I will reformulate my question as follows (to avoid any further misunderstanding):

The 'modern approach' towards the life line says: the length of the life line should NOT be considered as a measure for longevity (= the age of death).

My unanswered question is:

Rishi, do you support this 'modern approach'?


PS. It would be just fine if you answer my question with a 'yes' or a 'no'. Very Happy

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  RishiRahul on Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:31 pm

RishiRahul wrote:
Martijn (admin) wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

The line of vitality; as you mentioned also that the life line shows vitality actually, & this supports the modern concept.

But actually is it modern?!

The line of line was called the line of vitalis in the olden days.
I forget who named this so. Desbarroles or D' Arpentigny, And or someone even earlier.

Someone old/olden used to create concepts; & the newer was always seen to work upon, developing it.
That is the way of life (thanks to human intelligence & their developing communication skills.

Actually there is no rigid difference between the old & the new. Is there.

RishiRahul

Rishi, while you assume there is not much difference between the old & new view... I think it is pretty obviousy that there is actually big difference between the old view and the modern view:
Rishi= Just like religions have progressed, the craft of palmistry & even astrology too.
If the older palmistry was not available, then the new would not have emerged possibly.
During the dark ages much older literature has been lost; also much has been distorted due to whatever reasons (this is a reason why we are not able to interpret what the older literature actually said).
This has led to communication gaps.
The divide between the old & new is in our perceptions; actually.
New developments, discoveries are a part of life.....just shows the progressive attitude of human intelligence.

Because only in the old view the length of the life line is associated with the age of death... while in the new view this is recognized as a myth, because one should not confuse 'vitality' with 'longevity'!

Rishi= May be we did not understand what the old view actually meant to say.
This is to remind that the old view does mention the life line as the line of vitalis.

wave

PS. I hope you now understand why I presented my question about your position towards the old view? (I think my question is still left unanswered... but I won't bother you again with the same rather simple quesiton)
Rishi=I hope I have answered the question.
If not please rephrase the question please.





Martijn (admin) wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Rishi=I hope I have answered the question.
If not please rephrase the question please.

Thank you Rishi,

I will reformulate my question as follows (to avoid any further misunderstanding):

The 'modern approach' towards the life line says: the length of the life line should NOT be considered as a measure for longevity (= the age of death).

My unanswered question is:

Rishi, do you support this 'modern approach'?


PS. It would be just fine if you answer my question with a 'yes' or a 'no'. Very Happy

Martjin,

First allow me to say that these crafts like palmistry etc do not work in 'BLACK & WHITE' terms as 'YES' or/and 'NO'.
You & others are aware that No singular principle in such crafts works perfect, for which it is not a perfect Science; and I am better contented to call it a craft.

Similarly in LOGIC things are not black & white; though Logic is similar to Maths (2+2=4).

Now if you read the above 'quotes' it would be BEST understood.

Even then allow me to respond to your present re framed query, which is:"Rishi, do you support this 'modern approach'?
PS. It would be just fine if you answer my question with a 'yes' or a 'no'
. Very Happy
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Rishi[u]= Answering in 'Yes' or 'No' is not enough to establish something in such crafts.
The answer is that I that support the approach which is approached as modern, but is an much older concept (ex: the line of vitalis).

RishiRahul

P.S: There are reasons I try not to take part in giving explanations while predictions at most times, as it could be held to 'black & white' scrutiny like Maths is.

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Re: Can the length of the life line predict 'longevity'?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:00 pm

RishiRahul wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Martjin,

First allow me to say that these crafts like palmistry etc do not work in 'BLACK & WHITE' terms as 'YES' or/and 'NO'.
You & others are aware that No singular principle in such crafts works perfect, for which it is not a perfect Science; and I am better contented to call it a craft.

Similarly in LOGIC things are not black & white; though Logic is similar to Maths (2+2=4).

Now if you read the above 'quotes' it would be BEST understood.

Even then allow me to respond to your present re framed query, which is:"Rishi, do you support this 'modern approach'?
PS. It would be just fine if you answer my question with a 'yes' or a 'no'
. Very Happy
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Rishi[u]= Answering in 'Yes' or 'No' is not enough to establish something in such crafts.
The answer is that I that support the approach which is approached as modern, but is an much older concept (ex: the line of vitalis).

RishiRahul

P.S: There are reasons I try not to take part in giving explanations while predictions at most times, as it could be held to 'black & white' scrutiny like Maths is.

RishiRahul

santa ... Rishi, I am not sure how to understand your support. However, I will respect that you don't want to give me a simple 'yes' or 'no'.

I can only hope that you can agree with me that the old myth (which suggests that the length of the life line reflects the age of death), should better not be described as a 'modern' perception.

(Because otherwise your answer could be perceived as a rethoric attempt to turn things upside-down)

I hope this makes sense.


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